New army

[Bennyboy]

I already have a good Hordes army with Legion of Everblight and I want to start Warmachine and I'm thinking of starting this one, is it a good one to start?

[wazatdingder]

Nope, sucks

Actually, Menoth and legion complement each other well, but I think it is usually the other way around. You start with Menoth, then Legion seems like a break with a lot less to think about.

[Snipafist]

Going to the Protectorate boards and asking if people recommend the army is like going to a chocolatier and asking if people like sugary treats.

[Vinsklortho]

If you want be able to take a hit and hit back incredibly hard then you'll enjoy Menoth. I agree that Menoth is a great complement to Legion as then you have a faction for when you are feeling alpha strike-y and glass cannon-y and another faction for when you just want to trade blows, outlast, and deny the hell out of your opponent.

[Hashmal]

Great. Now I want candy and a game. THANKS SNIPAFIST.

(ot: yes, play Protectorate. We're the cool kids.)

[Vedrial]

One thing you'll find about Protectorate players here is that we actually love our faction... GASP!!!

- We can run 'jacks better than anyone else, we can run more 'jacks better than anyone else, and we also run some of the best 'jacks in the form of the Avatar and the Reckoner.

- We set stuff on . As the old adage goes, "Give a man a fire and you warm him for a night. Light a man on fire and you warm him for the rest of his life." Between the Vanquisher, eFeora, and multitudes of Critical Fire abilities, you'll find that you'll win games because of fire killing the opposing 'caster/'lock.

- We have a huge variety of play styles from out 'casters. Amon runs a swarm of light 'jacks like a champ. Reznik wants 2-ish heavies, but makes them incredibly awesome. pSeverius simply makes everything better, while the Harbinger can actually run 10 Crusaders effectively. Thyra gives us a fast, assassination based option, and eKreoss allows you to play boring, extremely boring, incredibly boring, infantry-heavy Weapon Master spam.

- You can tell your opponents "no." Nobody does denial like Menoth. From being able to tell your opponent that they can't shoot your 'jacks, that they can't cast spells, period, or that they simply can't hurt a unit of Zealots during one round, we deny the enemy their gimmick. Whatever the list across from you is best at, you'll almost certainly have some counter to it. There's a reason you here "MENOTH SAYS NO!" tossed around on the forums.

Now, be warned, the Protectorate battlebox is not the best one for long term growth. Unlike the Legion one, you'll rarely use the plastic heavy that comes with ours. Your best bet is to buy the Battlebox for some learning games, but don't glue the arms or the head on your Crusader. Eventually, you should buy a Heavy Jack plastic kit and make a Templar and a Vanquisher out of the heavy chassis that you have. The Repenter is a good 'jack for its points, and is extremely focus efficient for its points with the Choir. The Revenger is a good Arc Node, but there are few Protectorate 'casters who really want an Arc Node, and the one that does (Severius) has a character 'jack that there's no reason no to take instead.

In short, play Menoth, set stuff on fire, and tell your opponent he can't do what he's trying to do!

[jandrese]

I wouldn't count the Revenger out entirely. While it is rather expensive for what it offers, there are several casters that don't mind having an Arc node around from time to time. Thyra for instance is much more likely to cast Stranglehold or Pursuit if she doesn't have to get within the "If this spell whiffs I'm dead next turn" zone.

[Vedrial]

The Revenger certainly has its uses, but as an option for a second army, if one wishes to keep it relatively small, there are more widely used light 'jack options, such as the Redeemer. I guess that's what I'm trying to get at.

[Bennyboy]

Ok, thanks for the advice.

[Evilone01]

Nope, sucks

Actually, Menoth and legion complement each other well, but I think it is usually the other way around. You start with Menoth, then Legion seems like a break with a lot less to think about.

There seem to be a lot of Menoth and Legion players giving the other one a go lately. Hell, I just started Legion as well! I still can't get used to having speed 6+ models.

[Bennyboy]

OK, I realize that going to an army forum page and ask if this army is good was REALLY stupid of me. But I want to thank every one who giving me advise of what and what not to do for this army. And for now I only have the starting army box and I'm reading the army book to help me decide what to purchase next. I f some of you can point me in the right direction will be very appreciated.

[IMakeGoodwin'sLawHappen]

There are a bunch of threads regarding where to go from the starting box, if you look around a bit it shouldn't bee to hard to find some, if not too many of them.

Here are some links that should help you out, or at least they helped me out a bit when I was trying to figure out where to go.

Just a generic one for what seems to be popular with a bunch of people opinions.
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...ng-What-To-Buy

just starting out with $200ish
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...undred-dollars

There are a bunch more, and a decent number of them tend to give similar advice, choir is generally speaking a must and will be a great investment. I'd also suggest checking out the Canon of the True Law, when you have some time, just to get an idea of what things actually do, rather than just following what people say is good or bad, as some advice isn't always useful and can be biased.

I started with an odd assortment of things, and never got around to getting the original battle box so I might not be too helpful here, but general advise tends to go along the lines of Battle box + Choir + Vassal + Exemplar Errants with Unit Attachment = solid 25 point list. That would be a decent starting point, and from there play a few games, proxy some things and add whatever suits your fancy, at least that's the way I've worked things and it hasn't failed me yet.

[Mathai]

OK, I realize that going to an army forum page and ask if this army is good was REALLY stupid of me. But I want to thank every one who giving me advise of what and what not to do for this army. And for now I only have the starting army box and I'm reading the army book to help me decide what to purchase next. I f some of you can point me in the right direction will be very appreciated.

Dont feel too stupid about it. I'm sure that if you went over to Cygnar forums, you might have gotten a very different reply. ^,^

And the first thing I think everyone can agree upon is to get yourself a troupe of singing priesties, so that they may encourage your warjacks and convince them that they really dont want to be getting shot to heck before you want them to.

As for offensive based troops, I really think that as long as you dont pick an underwhelming option then you really wont regret any one of them as your first unit. I personally picked up Cinerators and Knight Exemplars as my first ones, but Knight Errants or Daughters of the Flame or Flameguard or Zealots or one of the many I'm sure I forgot that are also good can also be alot of fun and very useful to any list just as much. But that is coming from a guy who's number one concern is fun with competition being secondary.

[Bennyboy]

I only have the starter box, what should buy next?

[Vedrial]

I only have the starter box, what should buy next?

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...-the-battlebox

Great thread that really answers this question well, although it does follow the prescriptive approach that you'll generally find here of always buying Errants and a Reckoner. While they are amazing, and the new plastic kits make them a great purchase, some players do enjoy breaking the mold, so to speak.

[Evilone01]

Dont feel too stupid about it. I'm sure that if you went over to Cygnar forums, you might have gotten a very different reply. ^,^

This made be laugh. Serves them right for have a swan as their emblem!

[Bennyboy]

What I have is:
High Exemplar Kreoss
Crusader
Revenger
Vigilant
Repenter


What should I get next?

[Alzer]

Generally speaking: Units and solos.

Specifically speaking: Choir and/or Vassal are a good idea for helping your battle box along. Wonderful jack support with those two.

After that find a unit that you like the look of most. Grab it, play around a bit. I'd say a tarpit-ish unit is best in lower points. Temple Flameguard, Holy Zealots and Exemplar Errants are decent choices.

[stupidmonkey]

"Specifically speaking: Choir and/or Vassal are a good idea for helping your battle box along. Wonderful jack support with those two."

YEP!!

After that I say TFG
I think TFG are our best tarpit and a great next step with what you already have. They are also some of the best targets for a +2 DEF and +2 arm in the game (outside of other casters perhaps). They are DEF 17 arm 19 against a charge, with DW, while in shield wall. 17/23 under mini feat. 18/23 if Rupert is around... If book is there, they cannot be knocked down, good luck shifting this unit in only a turn or two.

[Mathai]

The only part I'm not understanding is the Choir and/or Vassal in that statement.

[Bennyboy]

I'm lost, TFG= Temple Flameguard??

[Alzer]

Correct.

Mathai, it's kinda dependent on how much unit you want to fit in but yes, it's not really a question of "or."

[Mathai]

OK good. >.< Still getting the hang of things here in holyland, and so far both a Choir and at least one Vassal have seemed to both be included in lists that use more than 1 'Jack pretty much automatically.

[Charming]

OK good. >.< Still getting the hang of things here in holyland, and so far both a Choir and at least one Vassal have seemed to both be included in lists that use more than 1 'Jack pretty much automatically.

In some lists with just one jack I'd definitely get a choir as well. In essence you're paying 10 points for a reckoner then, but that might very well be worth it.

[Bennyboy]

So a unit of Choir and Temple Flameguard, is a MUST to buy. Good, what else is good?

[Errant_knight]

So a unit of Choir and Temple Flameguard, is a MUST to buy. Good, what else is good?

I wouldn't say that the TFG is a MUST buy. Zealots, Errants to some extent Daughters all fill a similar role. It all comes down to preference, although Errants are more points and take a bit to learn to use properly. I would try proxying a couple units to see what fits your playstyle and then purchase them.

[Bennyboy]

thank, should I buy the Temple Flameguard unit attachment as well??

[Evilone01]

TFG are my go to tar-pit and I always bring along the UA. The abilities he brings are just so useful, especially Ranked Attack and continuous fire.
Having said that, they still do their job well without the UA, you don't NEED it, but it's very nice to have.

Unless your absolutely set on Flameguard, I would probably do as Errant Knight said and proxy a few units to see which tar-pit unit suits you. Try a few games with and without the UA, and see what you think. I always take it, but that's just me.

[Snipafist]

I think TFG are easier for new players to use and fairly direct in their application compared to Errants. If you're just starting out, I'd use the TFG (sans UA, at least for the beginning). Just remember that their primary means of staying alive is their DEF and Set Defense and not Shield Wall. I see some players get frustrated with how slow they are in Shield Wall, assuming they're supposed to be Shield Walling their way across the table. Nothing could be further from the truth - they're a very fast infantry unit with good threat range that can Shield Wall if the situation calls for it.

[Bennyboy]

cool thank!

[Bennyboy]

OK now I have a full unti of Choir of Menoth (6 models), a small unit of Exemplar Errants (6 models) and a full unit of Temple Flameguard in reserve at the store that I'm playing, I didn't buy it because of the $$$.
What else should I get??

[Errant_knight]

UA for the errants and fill them out to a full unit.

[Snipafist]

OK now I have a full unti of Choir of Menoth (6 models), a small unit of Exemplar Errants (6 models) and a full unit of Temple Flameguard in reserve at the store that I'm playing, I didn't buy it because of the $$$.
What else should I get??

What jacks and casters do you own? I assume you own a starter set of some type, but either you never stated it or I missed it in there somewhere.

[Bennyboy]

Of course I have the starting army box, it's the best way to start an army and you can play a game with it.

Here what I have:
High Exemplar Kreoss
Vigilant
Crusader
Revenger
Repenter

Choir of Menoth
Exemplar Errants

[Alzer]

Looks like a great start to me. Got any games in yet?

[Bennyboy]

One and without the unit, only Kreoss and the warjacks. And I lost.