pBaldur 35 - Non-tier

[PG_DaveZee]

I am still pretty limited in warbeast options, so I am not ready to run all constructs, yet.

Here are a couple options I am considering:

List 1
Baldur the Stonecleaver +6
Woldwatcher 5
Gnarlhorn Satyr 8
Megalith 11
Druids of Orboros (Leader and 5 Grunts) 7
Tharn Bloodtrackers (Leader and 9 Grunts) 8
Nuala the Huntress 2

List 2

Baldur the Stonecleaver +6
Woldwatcher 5
Megalith 11
Druids of Orboros (Leader and 5 Grunts) 7
Sentry Stone (Leader and 3 Manikins) 3
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers 5
Tharn Bloodtrackers (Leader and 9 Grunts) 8
Nuala the Huntress 2

List 3

Baldur the Stonecleaver +6
Woldwatcher 5
Woldwyrd 5
Megalith 11
Shifting Stones 2
Sentry Stone (Leader and 3 Manikins) 3
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers 5
Tharn Bloodtrackers (Leader and 9 Grunts) 8
Nuala the Huntress 2

List 4

Baldur the Stonecleaver +6
Woldwatcher 5
Gnarlhorn Satyr 8
Megalith 11
Druids of Orboros (Leader and 5 Grunts) 7
Sentry Stone (Leader and 3 Manikins) 3
Tharn Bloodtrackers (Leader and 5 Grunts) 5
Nuala the Huntress 2

Any of these lists work? Any other combo of these pieces? I am using a Woldwarden as proxy for Megalith, so if that swap works to make a better list, I am open to suggestions on that, too.

[PG_DaveZee]

I played List 3 against pStryker. The list worked pretty well, except that even with prey my bloodtrackers couldn't roll average dice. Megalith hitting and putting weight of stone on an Arcane Shielded Ironclad, then the Stone Skinned Gnarlhorn scrapping him with a Grand Slam and follow ups was very fun.

[null_sheen]

Trackers are nice with him thats for sure, not sure how much value to have with Nula though (assuming you cast stone skin on the trackers).

[PG_DaveZee]

Trackers are nice with him thats for sure, not sure how much value to have with Nula though (assuming you cast stone skin on the trackers).

What would you plug in for the 2 points? Blackclad or Wilder, or something else?

[EtherealPaints]

... the Stone Skinned Gnarlhorn scrapping him with a Grand Slam and follow ups was very fun.

That is not possible. Can't slam with a speed debuff.

I never play tier with pBaldur and run the following. This is my favorite circle list, the synergy is crazy.

Core Staples:
Megalith 11 (he's Baldur's personal warbeast, enough said)
Max trackers w/ Nuala 10 (stone skin + solid ground makes this unit bonkers)
Bloodweavers 5 (solid ground + stealth units is just that good)

Other Stuff that I mix in & out with the other 15 points
Ravagers + UA (They are solid with baldur's forest creation spell for near permanent treewalker bonuses)
Shadowhorn Satyr (Leap makes the SPD debuff less of a problem)
Woldwarden (animus, construct, geomancy... lots of synergy)
Wolf Riders (stone skin is solid on them, but trackers tend to be better imo)
Guardian (just a good construct, though taking him means taking 1-2 units of stones)
Druids + UA (they are nearly invincible to ranged and magic with pBaldur's feat & spell list)

[PG_DaveZee]

That is not possible. Can't slam with a speed debuff.

Dagnabit, of course you are right - -1 speed.

I am looking to go with worden or guardian along with megalith - not sure I need 2 geomancers with Balder, tho. Although hot swapping stone skin a couple times does sound fun.

Druids look good, but are such a point sink, I was saving them until a 50 point list.

[Mattho2k3]

Two quick things I want to mention. First, if you end end up putting that many constructs in your list you might as well go tier. I play his tier at 35 and it is still good. Secondly, pBaldur is so good overall that don't get fooled into thinking he needs a construct heavy force. He is still surprisingly good without a single construct in his army, not counting shifting stones.

[PG_DaveZee]

I always look to play theme lists, if I can swing them. I am worried about fury management a bit with a beast-heavy list. What would you have besides Megalith in a 50 point theme list?

[Mattho2k3]

Shifting Stones help with fury management and the Druid wilder can as well but he won't be able to cast any of the animi. Still 2 points for fury management isn't that bad if you have enough beasts. Also constructs don't frenzy which can help or hurt depending on ones point of view. Beast wise I have been bringing Megalith, Woldwarden, Woldgaurdian, and either a Woldwyrd or Woldwatcher. I have tried 2 Woldwardens but actually prefer a Woldgaurdian for the higher PS attacks. I don't have 2 Woldgaurdians but want to plan to proxy them sometime. I just like having the option for Baldur ninja assassination. Even if my opponent doesn't oblige it, it is still a decent form of control by forcing them to stay out of the threat range or spend less focus/fury. I like Druids in the list to pull opponents far enough into my threat ranges and out of my opponents retaliation range. Either through Rapid Growth placement, feat mitigating their threat range, or just raw numbers in inches.

[PG_DaveZee]

OK, at 50 points, I'm looking at something like this:
Rock of Orobos, Tier 2

Baldur the Stonecleaver +6
Woldwatcher 5
Woldguardian 9
Woldwarden 9
Megalith 11
Druids of Orboros (Leader and 5 Grunts) w/ UA 9
Shifting Stones w/UA 3
Sentry Stone (Leader and 3 Manikins) 3
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers 5
Druid Wilder 2

Total: 50

What do you think?

[null_sheen]

I would ditch the Woldwatcher for a second unit of Woldstalkers, this will make his tier list and you will have 3 more points to spend.

Some people would get another Sentry Stone, some people would get a second unit of shifting stones and play a point short. If you go with a second unit of stones i would then change the wilder for a Blackclad.

As for your question on the original list i would swap Nula for a second unit of shifting stones or a black clad.

I do not like the wilder with Baldur she cannot cast any of the animus and with 3 heaves only generating 10 fury for a 6 fury warlock even one sets of stones should be more than enough fury management. This means that you are really paying two points just to get herding. The Blackclad can either make your beasts faster with hunters mark or gives you a spray that you are missing from the list.

PS i love the wilder with furry beasts

[EtherealPaints]

I agree with null_sheen on all points. Except for dropping Nuala from the original lists. Nuala is almost mandatory if you're taking blood trackers imo.

[PG_DaveZee]

Thanks for the feedback! I have some saving to do, but I am looking forward to trying the list out. (Tier 4, 49 points, w/ Blackclad)

[Mattho2k3]

First sorry for turning your 35pt non tier into a 50pt tier list but sounds like you don't mind. Secondly, Baldur has 1 of the best tier 4 lists in the game so if your going tier go all the way. Who doesn't love a couple discounted AD heavies with 2 units of advance move Woldstalkers and Shifting Stones and Sentry Stones further up the board? My current tier 4 that I have been playing with is:

pBaldur +6
Megalith 10
Woldwarden 8
Woldgaurdian 8
Woldwyrd or Woldwatcher 5
Woldstalkers 5
Woldstalker 5
Druids 7
Sentry Stones 3
Shifting Stones+UA 3
Shifting Stones 2

I'm still unsure on if I want to use the Woldwatcher, Woldwyrd, Blackclad + Druid UA, Sentry Stone + Blackclad, or Sentry Stone + Druid UA.

[PG_DaveZee]

You are right - I don't mind at all.

I like the thought of the Watcher for shield guard and a nice way to put another forest on the board.

[null_sheen]

Here is a T4 35 point list, the only thing that becomes redundant is the Wyrd (going to the 50 point list) but then i think double Wyrds make good reinforcements at 50 points.

Baldur the Stonecleaver (*6pts)
* Woldwyrd (5pts)
* Megalith (10pts)
* Woldguardian (8pts)
Sentry Stone (Leader and 3 Manikins) (3pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
* Stone keeper (1pts)
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers (5pts)
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers (5pts)
Blackclad Wayfarer (2pts)

The choice over the guardian and the warden is a personal one, i prefer flesh of clay of the guardian and the +2 P+S., last of all it makes all my heavies steady.
Others prefer to be able to create a forest with the warden and be able to cast stone skin on itself (to get the same P+S as the guardian) but have one less fury after doing so, also you can spam earth spikes.

Its your choice in the end

[Mattho2k3]

My pBaldur 35pt tier list is:

pBaldur
Megalith
Woldgaurdian
Woldwarden
Woldstalkers
Woldstalkers
Sentry Stones
Shifting Stones