Two competetive lists for Steamroller 2012: eSkarre & eDenny 50pts

[Kondzioro]

First of all I would like to say hi to everyone

i've been reading your input on this forum for a while and finally got to post my two lists for the new Steamroller. I tried to make them as most competetive as possible, so feel free to criticize and point out all the weak points

The first eSkarre

eSkarre -6
Nightwretch 4
Deathjack 12
Seether 9
Wraith Engine 9
Satyxis Riders min unit + Sea Witch 7
Rorsch & Brine 9
Gorman di Wulfe 2
Warwitch Siren 2
Satyxis Rider Captain 2
Total: 50 pts

Reinforcements:
Pistol Wraith 3
Pistol Wraith 3
Stalker 4

The list is supposed to be full of models that have lot of special rules and go nicely with the feat. Seether is here for it's focus efficency and high mat + grab & smash combo. DJ is well, a DJ. It is fabulous under eSkarre with all sheenigans it is able to perform. As for arc node i prefer nightwretch over deathripper, because of the cannon. I find it really useful in some situations.

I love my Wraith Engine, despite all the critic and nerfed feat. Opponents tend to focus on it, and if they not it can be really dangerous loaded with 3 soul tokens. Death Ward can improve it's chance to survive.

Satyxis are here because they are awesome, I guess i don't need to write why

I've recently started using Rorsch & Brine and they are really nice. They can be targeted by feat. If I need I can make Brine hit more reliably.

Warwitch & Captain is support I find really useful, and Gorman can put black oil on some key models so they will be hit by perdition, or he can make clouds, or rust, or everything

pistol wraiths with black spot are brilliant, and stalker is nice flanking jack with the new extended control

Now the second list:

eDenny -6
Nightwretch 4
Defiler 5
Bane Thralls min unit 5
Bane Knights min unit 6
Bile Thralls min unit 5
Nyss Hunters full unit 10
Withershadow Combine 5
Darragh Wrathe 4
Bane Lord Tartarus 4
Warwitch Siren 2
Dougal MacNaile 2
Madelyn Corbeau 2
Skarlock Thrall 2
50 pts

reinforcements:
Full Satyxis Raiders + UA 10

I think it's more or less standard. Banes are brilliant. Nyss + feat, or debuffs kick hard. Dougal can increase their range for 14".
I'm only not sure with the reinforcements here, as I didn't try them out enough times.

Looking forward for your opinion on both of them
I'd appreciate if you pointed which matchups will be bad and how can I change these lists so they could be better

Cheers
Kondzio

[TALGARD]

I really suggest to include in both lists stalker and Nightmare, to assasinate the caster in the 2nd or third turn.

[SpiderBite]

eSkarre and I dont get along.
a couple changes I'd make to your eDen list though.
-drop the BKnights and max the BThralls, tossing in a UA
or -drop the BThralls (-5), downgrade Defiler to your flavor of 4pt arcnode(-1). Max knights (+4) and add another Siren (+2)
or if you're a touch nutz -drop all BKnights (-6) and Tarts (-4). Add Nightmare.

I dont like having three min units, and I only ever run min Knights with eAsphyxious. Without altering your list too much, I'd rock the max BKnights. Nightmare is, of course, a Nightmare with eDenny. . . and I dont like the Defiler, Sirens do the same thing, but better, with more options.

Fun thought for reinforcements: min Steelhead Rifles are 5pts. so, 10pts is 12 of 'em. . . or 6 with 5pts of 'other'.. . dunno. I'm still wanting to try the two min units. I have no idea what you have available tho. GL!

[Admiral_Arzar]

First of all I would like to say hi to everyone
eSkarre -6
Nightwretch 4
Deathjack 12
Seether 9
Wraith Engine 9
Satyxis Riders min unit + Sea Witch 7
Rorsch & Brine 9
Gorman di Wulfe 2
Warwitch Siren 2
Satyxis Rider Captain 2
Total: 50 pts

Reinforcements:
Pistol Wraith 3
Pistol Wraith 3
Stalker 4

eDenny -6
Nightwretch 4
Defiler 5
Bane Thralls min unit 5
Bane Knights min unit 6
Bile Thralls min unit 5
Nyss Hunters full unit 10
Withershadow Combine 5
Darragh Wrathe 4
Bane Lord Tartarus 4
Warwitch Siren 2
Dougal MacNaile 2
Madelyn Corbeau 2
Skarlock Thrall 2
50 pts

reinforcements:
Full Satyxis Raiders + UA 10

Alright, the eSkarre list first. Since you listed these armies as "competitive," I'm going to be honest here. Drop the Wraith Engine and the Seether, they are both straight bad. Use the 18 points that frees up to add Nightmare and max out the Satyxis Raider unit. That leaves you with 5 more points. Upgrade your Nightwretch to a Ripjaw, and then add 4 points of support. Alternately, you could keep the Nightwretch and add a minimum Bile Thralls unit, a minimum Bane Thralls unit, or a max Mech Thralls unit (if you take Mechs, you should probably cut some support piece for a Surgeon).

Now the eDenny list. Cut Darragh Wrathe and Madelyn Corbeau (both are good but not needed here) and use the 6 points to max the Bane Thrall unit and add the Bane Thrall UA. I would honestly drop Dougal and the Siren as well to max the Bane Knights. This leaves you with minimal support, but you really need to be taking max units for them to be effective. If you need more points to go back into support, you could drop the Bile Thralls, which i'm not sure are essential here.