Meanest List

[bubble pop]

Please help me by telling me the meanest lists you can think of for Everblight. I am playing someone next weekend that I would like to make lose. And preferably not even let them have a chance.

[evilsteev]

Please help me by telling me the meanest lists you can think of for Everblight. I am playing someone next weekend that I would like to make lose. And preferably not even let them have a chance.

Lol, that's the spirit.

Saeryn with scytheans and angels, really depends what he brings tho.

[EtherealPaints]

Saeryn I wouldn't consider to be the meanest caster. She may be the best overall caster as far as W/L, but eLylyth definitely takes the cake for being the meanest caster. If you want to piss someone off, play eLylyth. Granted it depends on what they are playing, but the majority of the time she will just piss off your opponent.

[Beckman]

Saeryn I wouldn't consider to be the meanest caster. She may be the best overall caster as far as W/L, but eLylyth definitely takes the cake for being the meanest caster. If you want to piss someone off, play eLylyth. Granted it depends on what they are playing, but the majority of the time she will just piss off your opponent.

This! Play an eLylyth list, and people will hate you. You might lose more games than if you played Saeryn, but the games you win will feel like burning oil to the FACE.

Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight (*5pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
Blighted Nyss Striders (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
* Blighted Nyss Striders Officer & Musician (3pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)
Strider Deathstalker (2pts)
Strider Deathstalker (2pts)

No one will want to be your friend after you play this list. If you play this list against a Troll list with a Pyre Troll in it, your life will be difficult. If you play this list against PoM with Jacks + Choir, your life will be difficult. If you play this list against a caster with REALLY high ARM, your life will be difficult. Other than that, GO NUTS! Lose friends with wild abandon!

[Ordrek]

What is so great about eLylyth? AE Stealth?

[Lanz]

The aforementioned eLylyth list is mean.

If your objective is to lose friends for the glory of everblight, I also recommend one of the following;

either eVayl with lots of Angels (refuge and admonition all over the place) or pThagrosh with all three carnivean-type beasts (ARM 22 with Spiny Growth + Death shroud vs melee makes the list crazy-hard to crack).

If you know what your opponent is playing, a list can be tailored to crush them more specifically if you really want to crush the other player.

[Neutralyze]

Evayl doesn't lose friends. She's a good warlock with a lot of nifty tricks but far from hard to fight against.

[Lanz]

Evayl doesn't lose friends. She's a good warlock with a lot of nifty tricks but far from hard to fight against.

I'd say it depends on the competitive level. She's not impossible to face, but Refuge is exactly the sort of spell to make another player furious if they don't have a solution for it.

[Northern Ronin]

I'd think Saeryn, nothing says hate like you don't get to make attacks, and it can send players to tilt pretty easy. P-Vayl can as well if they're prone to grouping heavies, moving up, murdering half their army, then moving away can crush spirits. Lastly, refuge, admo and purify can make people lose it, but I'd think she's the lesser of the 3 evils in terms of pain to play against. E-Lylyth also gets a mention if you know they're prone to exposing their caster. No one likes losing before they make attacks.

[Beckman]

What is so great about eLylyth? AE Stealth?

Well, shooting twice with your beasts with +4 RNG is absurd. Add to that that on your feat turn, you're putting out 8 shots... and they all are 3" and have the Scather rule (Take 1 pts of corrosion when you enter the AOE), and the enemy may be just having to 'run' his troops in order to avoid the clouds.

Combine that with even good defensive stat casters will not want to take the kind of firepower that that list can put into your caster... and a 4 Ravagore eLylyth list is obnoxious. Oh yeah, and eLylyth + her battlegroup are stealthed... so there. :P

[PG_BloodRath]

I had a player accuse me of being a evil human for feating with saeryn then double repulsing his pigs out of the zone. My vote goes to her. Her feat is brutal

[Tanglethorn]

I really need to take saeryn out of her blister already and start using her. I've been stuck on pthags and pvayl lately...but I think saeryn gives me a lot of answers to a lot of questions that my opponent poses on the table.

[Madhiggins]

Saeryn gets my vote for being a caster that messes with a lot lists. her feat makes her unstoppable against melee lists, her "can't be targeted by spells" upkeep makes her a bit rough against magic heavy lists, and then take some sneaky little swamp gobbers to have a nice little thing blocking ranged lists(although this is far from perfect). the fact that she's innately nigh immune to melee, innately strong against magic, and upgradeably strongish against range has to make her the meanest caster in legion.

or eLylyth. but Lylyth isn't mean, she's freaking sadistic(as long as she's not up against a mentoh jack list or gator list).

[Obeisance]

Yeah, eLylyth is very rock paper scissors. She skews matchups.

[PG_ICleadpeople]

I dont think any list really works like this. You can't net deck in WarmaHordes like you can in other games. Sure you can take a Nuetralyze list to a Tourney, doesnt mean you have the piloting skills to use it.

Only thing 4 Ravagores gaurantees is no one will ant to play you after the first game.

[PG_Nemlock]

I just played in a Foodmachine event where we could buy all sorts of cheats with cans, including extra feats. Most people were pretty good-natured when I dropped Saeryn on the board. I say most because 1 Skorne player was definitely not amused at her double feat. It was by far the most broken nonsense I've ever played. A tiny part of me feels dirty, but damn it was fun.

[Mad_Zerker]

I dont think any list really works like this. You can't net deck in WarmaHordes like you can in other games. Sure you can take a Nuetralyze list to a Tourney, doesnt mean you have the piloting skills to use it.

Only thing 4 Ravagores gaurantees is no one will ant to play you after the first game.

Unless the list is immune to fire.

[Neutralyze]

Players skill trumps list conposition

[themocaw]

This! Play an eLylyth list, and people will hate you. You might lose more games than if you played Saeryn, but the games you win will feel like burning oil to the FACE.

Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight (*5pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
Blighted Nyss Striders (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
* Blighted Nyss Striders Officer & Musician (3pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)
Strider Deathstalker (2pts)
Strider Deathstalker (2pts)

No one will want to be your friend after you play this list. If you play this list against a Troll list with a Pyre Troll in it, your life will be difficult. If you play this list against PoM with Jacks + Choir, your life will be difficult. If you play this list against a caster with REALLY high ARM, your life will be difficult. Other than that, GO NUTS! Lose friends with wild abandon!

And if your opponent plays Feora or Strakhov, you might as well consider just packing up.

I guess the question is if you just want to win or anger your opponent while you do so. If the latter, I'd consider Neut's double-Angel double-Rav EVayl "bounce around like a madman while the Ravagores bomb you" list.

Whatever warlock you pick, consider bringing a Spawning Vessel. Pumping out Shredders every turn tends to make peoples' eyes twitch.

[Northern Ronin]

Players skill trumps list conposition

Psh, if this was true, I'm sure someone would have won a major event with Rhyas by now.

[Everblight 2011]

Players skill trumps list conposition

Agreed. That being said,

I have been curious as to your choices for Saeryn at 35 and 50...

She's the only legion lady I haven't played. I feel comfortable with my lists for the other ladies. Some lists have my own twist, some lists are more "conventional". I've read most of the Saeryn stuff out but i'm not sure where to start with her. Interested in your take.

Thanks.

[Neutralyze]

Basically just beast heavy with Angels and scytheans.

[Panzeh]

I know if I play Ret I might as well just pack it up against eLylyth.

[Madhiggins]

I know if I play Ret I might as well just pack it up against eLylyth.

ugh, my brother plays ret and he complains non stop about eLylyth even though he's never fought her, i don't use her, and no one at our gaming store uses her. although he doesn't seem to mind when he plays a list that auto beat my beast lists.

[Lanz]

ugh, my brother plays ret and he complains non stop about eLylyth even though he's never fought her, i don't use her, and no one at our gaming store uses her. although he doesn't seem to mind when he plays a list that auto beat my beast lists.

[doublestandard]

"I won't play ret against your eLylyth list, but I'll gladly take a Ravyn Feat-Snipe-Go list against your Harbinger list."

[/doublestandard]

[Neutralyze]

Ret players perhaps should just play against elylyth instead of just conceading.

[Panzeh]

Ret players perhaps should just play against elylyth instead of just conceading.

I have, I know exactly what's coming. It'll be a huge alpha strike on the feat turn that pretty much destroys any infantry on the table. True, one could do a jackwall or something, but ret jacks are way to inefficient to be massed.

We could roll a bunch of dice and show how the entire list is going to be stripped of its infantry in detail, or just play some other matchup. I do feel for the harby players against Ravyn, though, and Ret's not terrible against Legion in general, just eLylyth.

[dunce002917]

Having near perfect dice rolls will beat any list... especially if the opponent keeps rolling snake eyes..

[Neutralyze]

I have, I know exactly what's coming. It'll be a huge alpha strike on the feat turn that pretty much destroys any infantry on the table. True, one could do a jackwall or something, but ret jacks are way to inefficient to be massed.

We could roll a bunch of dice and show how the entire list is going to be stripped of its infantry in detail, or just play some other matchup. I do feel for the harby players against Ravyn, though, and Ret's not terrible against Legion in general, just eLylyth.

Run discord and spread out the infantry. Ravagores will shoot at big tagets an striders / raptors will hoot at infantry.

Whats the cheapest Ret unit?

[SageofLodoss]

Run discord and spread out the infantry. Ravagores will shoot at big tagets an striders / raptors will hoot at infantry.

Whats the cheapest Ret unit?

In terms of cost, and ignoring the Heavy Rifle 2 man team, that would be Halberdiers at 4 points for 6 and 7 points for 10. Shield wall unit though, and with a gang mini-feat, so not one that usually spreads out much.

Battle Mages are PC 5 for 6, have DEF 15 vs. Ranged and immunity to blast damage.

[Beckman]

Players skill trumps list conposition

/disagree

Of course, it depends on the level of the playskill difference, really. But there is a diminishing returns on skill level: you can only play a list so well. The closer you get to perfection playing your list, the more the composition and dice rolls will matter.

If a player is a very good player and has played the caster matchup several times before, the playskill differences should be small.

It also really depends which lists are playing each other. Denial vs Denial lists are really skill intensive... Shooting VS Shooting... Not as much. Although, you still need to pick targets and whatnot.

[Beckman]

And if your opponent plays Feora or Strakhov, you might as well consider just packing up

Yes, some PoM lists, Strakov, and Pyre Trolls own you... As well as severely high ARM casters. Other than that, you will be alienating EVERYONE!

[Neutralyze]

I don't know where you're getting at but I notice it at the cons I go to all the time. Even knowing small little rules interactions can give you the edge.

[Beckman]

I don't know where you're getting at but I notice it at the cons I go to all the time. Even knowing small little rules interactions can give you the edge.

So you're saying that you don't ever end up with hopeless matchups? It's not that I'm saying that you should just roll over and die if you get a matchup you don't like... But playing against the "as many Banes as I could legally bring in my tier list + Tartarus" isn't going to necessarily be a matchup that is winnable unless some improbable things happen, or your opponent is making errors.

[Neutralyze]

I've played against that and terminus infantry spam as well. Why go into the game with a defeatist attitude?

[PG_BloodRath]

I've played against that and terminus infantry spam as well. Why go into the game with a defeatist attitude?

I could not agree more. The strongest weapon in generals arsenal is resolve. Playing under the pretense that any fight is hopeless is equivalent to surrender. conquering yourself is worst defeat imaginable.

[Beckman]

I've played against that and terminus infantry spam as well. Why go into the game with a defeatist attitude?

... I don't think that attitude is dictating how I'm playing the game [at least for me]. Make the best play you can at the time, hope your dice support you.. and rehash it afterwards to see if you missed something. As many times as is necessary to make sure that you didn't miss something that you could have done.

For me, making an accurate assessment of what your odds in the match are at any particular point in time assists me in determining whether I want to take an assassination run. If I give my assassination run a 60% chance of success, and I estimate the match to be a 50/50% match or worse, I'll take it.

[Scottl1]

Theres never a reason to just out an out concede. Even with just your caster you can win games. It's very irritating when you get mopey opponents who just start the game by whining and sayin oh woes was me I can't win.. Dice have to be rolled, theres a scenario, caster kill, etc. Theres so many variables in a game.

[dunce002917]

Theres never a reason to just out an out concede. Even with just your caster you can win games. It's very irritating when you get mopey opponents who just start the game by whining and sayin oh woes was me I can't win.. Dice have to be rolled, theres a scenario, caster kill, etc. Theres so many variables in a game.

I agree... I once one with just Kraye on the board.. hehehehe..

[themocaw]

Theres never a reason to just out an out concede. Even with just your caster you can win games.

Unless it's Epic Lylyth being bubble-wrapped by infantry outside the scenario zone.