50pt Ozzy - Trying to keep my faith in ret

[BleedNoMore]

So I traded my menoth a few months ago and picked up Ret. My main opponents are Cryx, Legion & Circle so im sure everyone can guess the level of frustration I have had learning this army. I have lost more games the any and am beginning to really feel like I have no response to most of what these armies offer.

I have used every caster we have but find Ozzy to be the most suitable for my play style and a good jump off point. Here is an attempt at a rounded list not focused entirely on his feat but still capable of exploiting it. I also usually use a banshee but think Discordia's imprint and spray with shatterstorm and feat could be nasty.

Ozzy
-Discordia
-Hypnos
Sylys Wyshnalyrr

x2 Arcanist
Max Sentinels + UA + Soulless
Eiryss
Artificer
Max Mage Hunter Strike Force + UA
Stormfalls

Any feedback would be great, still really new and inexperienced. Currently I own

All Casters
Every Units & UA except Riflemen and Nyss
Most Solo's except Ghost Sniper, Heavy Rifle Team
Banshee, Discordia, Hypnos

[Gho5t]

Ozzy
-Discordia
-Hypnos
Sylys Wyshnalyrr

x2 Arcanist
Max Sentinels + UA + Soulless
Eiryss
Artificer
Max Mage Hunter Strike Force + UA
Stormfalls

Personally, I prefer Halberdiers over Sentinels with Oz. He wants his army to shoot things and he needs to be close to the enemy for his feat. If the Sentinels are in front, they can make targeting difficult. You can shoot through Halberdiers and they also provide a shield in front of Oz if the feat doesn't wipe everything out. Also, they're cheaper, so you can throw in an MHA for the same cost.

Alternatively, you can take Invictors over Sentinels. You'll get a round of shooting and they can hold their own in melee when the time comes. A Reach myrm is better with them for Flank, but you'd need to trade out either Disco or Hyp, and both are solid. I'd probably take a Banshee or Phoenix if this is the route you want to take.

I'm not convinced of the Artificer's usefulness in this list. He can help out, for sure, but I've always kind of felt his points are better used somewhere else. It's your call, of course. I've recently been enjoying Fane Knight, so I'd probably trade the Sents for Halbs, drop Arty and bring in Skeryth. He hits hard, attacks twice, has decent survivability, and his threat range is ridiculous. Two points more than Arty, but I think he's far more useful; the Arty will probably hang back and not do much aside from bubble some models, while Skeryth is running around wrecking specific targets and forcing your opponent to pay attention to him. They both have their uses, of course.

[Vicarious]

Can you give us a little more information about what casters your opponents like to bring? Also, does your meta involve scenarios, or simple caster kills?

Rahn is probably our strongest caster in scenario play so he's always an option.

Ossyan is great also but certain matchups can dictate what he likes to bring.


For me I prefer Invictors over Sentinels, Stormfall Archers over MSHF, and a Banshee over Discordia. That pretty much trashes your list in favor of a new one, but without a bit more to work with those are my recommendations

[BleedNoMore]

Casterwise I am seeing my friends lock and load lists.

Cryx -tends to be alot of stealth
-Egaspy (Bane Spam, Tartarus, Slaughterborn etc)
-Terminus typical undead spam
-Eskarre

Legion - again alot of stealth
Elylith
Evayle - Heavy Beast spam, spawning vessel, legionaries with UA


So the list I had created was more tailored to dealing with stealth, I like invictors and Ozzy's feat but find if there is nothing to shoot at in the first place your hooped anyways.

[Murkhadh]

Elylth is going to eat your face you can handle the rest though (i havn't played against eVayl yet though as ret, but i pay her as legion)

[BleedNoMore]

Ya I have accepted Elylth as a weakness and thankfully my friend uses her very little. Here are a few lists with people's suggestions.

Ozzy
-Hypnos
-Discordia
-Sylys

x2 Arcanist
House Halberds + UA + Soulless
EEiryss
Fane Knight
MHSF + UA
Stormfalls

Or

Ozzy
-Hypnos
-Sylys

Arcanist
Invictors - UA
EEiryss
Fane Knight
House Halberds + UA
MHSF + UA
Stormfalls

Each has their ups and downs, ultimately looking for a middle ground, want to get a lot out of feat turn but if presented by a stealth army don't want to be effectivly neutered. Any more idea's would be great.

[MikeC103]

Ya I have accepted Elylth as a weakness and thankfully my friend uses her very little. Here are a few lists with people's suggestions.

Ozzy
-Hypnos
-Discordia
-Sylys

x2 Arcanist
House Halberds + UA + Soulless
EEiryss
Fane Knight
MHSF + UA
Stormfalls

Each has their ups and downs, ultimately looking for a middle ground, want to get a lot out of feat turn but if presented by a stealth army don't want to be effectivly neutered. Any more idea's would be great.

I like this list, but I would drop the Fane Knight and Souless. Replace with another MHA and Destor Thane. On Feat turn the mulitple shots for the Destor could be a huge help.

[Gremlingsp]

I love the destor thane. He is hard to kill with a good rat and mat. If you can get where you can aim with him he can do real damage to almost anyone. In addition you can move shoot move since he is a heavy cav.

[Murkhadh]

I think a thane or a Scyir is almost required with ossyan, his cmd 8 has your low cmd models failing checks more than youd llike.

[Murkhadh]

I think a thane or a Scyir is almost required with ossyan, his cmd 8 has your low cmd models failing checks more than youd llike.

[ucfan34]

I agree with Murkhadh on the inclusion of a Thane or Scyir being just about manditory. Ret's infantry is a strength of the faction. Having your infantry doing nothing for 2 turns is generally a big problem.

I'm not a fan of Sylys with Ossyan (assuming character restrictions). I'd drop Sylys and add the Scyir, or if you on the other side of the Sylys with Ossyan coin, I'd drop the Fane Knight, add a Destor Thane, change Discordia to a Banshee, and add another 2pt solo of your choice.

[absent]

The banshee is not cheaper than discordia, he would have to drop discordia for a demon to get that 2 pts.

[ucfan34]

Bah, apologies. I can't seem to keep the Banshee & Daemon straight.

[Dubstep]

In my opinion, ossy is not ossy without at least 2 units of stormfalls and a thane. The stormfalls carpetbomb EVERYTHING feat turn, and with them they can single-handedly clear entire sections of the battlefeild, stealth or no stealth. The thane, as mentioned, helps with ossys poor cmd, and also benefits alot from the feat.

Instead of halbs for the frontline, i like to use a unit of quickened battle mages. Spd 8, def 17 to ranged and immune to blast means these guys WILL make it to the front line to push/pull/punch out some suckers.