New NQ Theme Force - Shae

[canadianone]

the problem is, that with pronto and the feat, shae will have to move pretty far up to keep the thing in his control range, if only he had something to protect him from incoming fire next turn...

[PG_vytzka]

Now the real question is, will hardcore stumpies like rancor and pattison stray into pirates? And will the shaeites like Vytzka adopt the dwarves.

Heh. Well I already have some Dwarven stuff. The OAC will have to wait a while though.

Still better then Fiona's theme.

If you only changed Fiona to Shae in Fiona's theme it would already be quite a bit better.

[drazz00]

Heh. Well I already have some Dwarven stuff. The OAC will have to wait a while though.

If you only changed Fiona to Shae in Fiona's theme it would already be quite a bit better.

Well, yeah.

Now if we switch Fiona with Shae in this...

No, never mind.

[PG_vytzka]

Yeah, don't do it...

(though it would be better than Fiona's actual theme force anyway due to the fact that you can actually take solos with sea dogs)

[cannonball]

if only he had something to protect him from incoming fire next turn..

Phantasm? Bokur?

[pattison]

Well from my side I'm in a strange situation as I still can't believe this is real.
Although I don't have anything against this in theory, and would be nice to try.

But the problem is that I don't own High Shields. Nope, that's true, sold them long ago and bought more Forge Guard instead.
I really miss the Forge Guard from this theme force, and I don't plan to invest into High Shields.
It's a pity as I do have the OAC and would be cool to imagine that they're actually toting deck guns.
The other thing: I don't have any pirate jacks (except a Buccaneer conversion maybe, but it's still unfinished), and out of the warrior models I only own A&H, Rockbottom and Dougal.

So in order to field this theme force I'd have to buy more into pirates and purchase a full High Shield unit with UA, and frankly the latter is highly unlikely.
I've been playing Searforge without HS for a long time and I don't really miss them to be honest.
It's a pity that this theme force got published only now as the final sales of our LGS just ended and many boxes of HS and pirate stuff got unsold even with a 50% discount... oh well.

This is just a guess, but I think it's about 90% that Rancor won't "corrupt" his pure dwarven spirit by fielding a human pirate caster just because of a new shiny theme force.

Just a little note: I think this new list is a great opportunity for those who want to field a pirate dwarf army. I mean there are pirate dwarf models in other ranges that can be used as proxies for talion units & solos.
I think it also opens many conversion opportunities. Naval dwarf jacks might look cool too (a Driller with double clamps counts as Freebooter etc.). Not tourney legal, but might look spectacular if well executed.

Another little note: May this be a hint about General Ossrum? Can it happen that he'll have something to do with pirates or Lakeforge? Just speculating.

[correlation2]

Is it just the one.... super weird theme force in this issue?

[cannonball]

THere has to be a lead in story in NQ about this theme force. If so I'd wager its a prelude to General Awesome. And then another question, what is is his theme force like? Could it be another Pirate/Rhulic crossover?

[Ger]

If you only changed Fiona to Shae in Fiona's theme it would already be quite a bit better.

It'd still be terrible. I'm not even sure how much better it would be. Shae doesn't have great synergy with anything in it. (Given no Hawk or Rock to make Sea Dog Crew really cool in melee.)

Anyway her Tier and my deep loathing for it is another topic entirely. This Shae tier seems playable, possibly good.

Just a little note: I think this new list is a great opportunity for those who want to field a pirate dwarf army.

Or for people that want to play Pirates and Dwarves. It's really bridging an interesting gap there.

I don't own OAC or Highshields so..I'd need to do some proxing to try this tier out. Which may keep me from trying it anytime soon. I really don't hate the idea of it though. You can get High Shields forward to block/shot people up, then have Sea Dogs and Press Gangers charge from the sides, or through your models! (Phantasm) There's a ton of guns so one Buccaneer net could net an easy win.

Oooh there's an interesting trick. Highshields walk up 4" use double time and guns blazing thing. Shoot a bunch walk back 4"....Shae feats. Possibly end 17" from what you shot to death. Overall may be a good tier for rushing forward, then shooting and backing up...THEN charging.
Highshields and OAC are also much stronger vs blast damage and other stuff that ruins Pirates days.

[cannonball]

I can't believe I'm saying this but a min unit of Highshields with free attachment that can AD with +2" on deployment zones doesn't sound too bad?

Ranked attack lets you fire through them. Veil of Mists allows a small unit to move pass them after they've double tapped. Also Double Time with another 3" from Godspeed is starting to get mobile! They are possibilities.

edit: So you go second and have all the tier benefits of +2" and AD. Thats 18" in from your table edge and you Double Time off the bat and pop feat. [hay mights as well!] No that's 29' from your table edge and what are they, 10" range? Go for it.

[Mael]

Speechless.

[moddball]

I didn't see this coming. I have one Dwarf at the moment is it worth adding more hmmmmmm was tempted by Thor but not Highshields. OAC may be fun.

[sleet01]

This seems strange, and I only just started Mercs. What's next, a Durgen theme with two units of Steelhead Cav, no Stannis, and a minimum of four marshaled Nomads?

[PG_Charwood]

Wow, that theme list is another animal entirely isn't it? I'm rather excited to delve into that bit more...

- Charwood

[cannonball]

Any chance on info regarding how you achieve the tier requirements?

[Breadsmith]

Pure speculation as to the requirements:
Tier 1: play the list. Every theme list is like this
Tier 2" Bring at least 2 units of Highshields. Seems to be the standard for getting free UA's
Tier 3:Bring at least 3 solos My best guess, seems to be necessary to get the benefit anyways.
Tier 4: Have at least 3 Heavies. Pretty standard tier 4, Bart's list has the exact same thing.

[cannonball]

Fair call, waiting to see the NQ although fingers crossed it isn't two units of Highshields. I've only got one and haven't played them in something like 6years...

[Chopsworth]

PP is trying really hard to sell Mercs on the OAC it would seem... I feel like this is more insult to injury on not allowing the Talion charter to take Black Ogruns.

[Feverdream]

PP is trying really hard to sell Mercs on the OAC it would seem... I feel like this is more insult to injury on not allowing the Talion charter to take Black Ogruns.

I, like you, really wanted the BOBP to work for Shae. It just fits, y'know? However, I feel I have more options for him, so, hey. I'll probably pick up some OAC. If anything, Fiona could probably make nice use of them, I think.

Still... dwarves? I really need to get NQ for the fluff. Is he, like, bringing back the plans for Galleon, or something?

[Mael]

Two units of Highshields? Yeah, I'll pass. Two Dwarf units (incl. Forgeguard) and I may have thought about it. Alas, it was not meant to be.

[moddball]

Two units of Highshields? Yeah, I'll pass. Two Dwarf units (incl. Forgeguard) and I may have thought about it. Alas, it was not meant to be.

I agree two units of Highshields is off putting as I already have a ton of good ranged options.

[PG_ikildkenny]

you guys know, that this is purely speculative what has been postet?

mmmhhh ...is there any reason why one is not allowed to just post the Theme Force ... I mean, it's free to photocopy for personal use anyway, so why hide it so desperately?

[PG_vytzka]

Because that is not personal use.

[TLSWalters]

Is this in NQ #42? My LGS doesn't have it in yet

[MagnustheJust]

PP is trying really hard to sell Mercs on the OAC it would seem... I feel like this is more insult to injury on not allowing the Talion charter to take Black Ogruns.

Nah... it's more a way to attempt to apologize to us for not letting us take them in a Four-Star Syndicate list.

This theme force does raise one truly thought provoking question...

What in the hell were they smoking, and where can I get some?!?

[StJason]

Hey! Guess who has two thumbs, an OAC, two squads of High Shields, Thor, Bokurs, and no Shae/Pirates? That's right! This guy!

What would sell me on this list? "All Rhulic units count as Sea Dogs". Paymaster, here I come!

Phantasmed High Shields would help remove the sting of 10" range. Veil of Mists is sexier, though... Storm Rager makes BokurMissiles throw out eMAT 8, POW 17/12 attacks. If they are charging and within client range, that is a eMAT 12/10, POW 19/14. Oh, and he can shield guard at ARM 19. Fek!

Okay, here is the plan: We cut Shae off at the knees... Pirates like wooden legs, right?

[The Immortal One]

This odd teir lt makes sense if you think about the new merc colossal coming out soon. It is a pirate design funded with d dwarfs

[Tiran]

This odd teir lt makes sense if you think about the new merc colossal coming out soon. It is a pirate design funded with d dwarfs

Source needed? Given Magnus in the art I would question this.

[MagnustheJust]

I will bet mini or money that the four Captains of the port city of Five Fingers, better known as the Four-Star Syndicate, had something to do with Galleon's construction...

[Bogues]

I like it! Been mulling back and forth about taking 'the plunge' into the Privateer subfaction . Wasn't the general consensus that the new merc Battle Engine would be Rhulic? If so this could be the tie-in

[Jake the Dog]

Funny thing, this may be the only tier that allows a lot of Rhulic stuff to be alongside the Galleon.

[Chopsworth]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this list, and I can't figure out use for it other than for the LoLz.

Having the extra 8" (AD and extended) of of deployment for a unit of High Shields is kinda nice, but at the same time you only get to AD one thing for every three character solos, in a list that (as of this moment) only allows five. If it was a one-for-one basis it would be ... practical. Those poor stunties can't keep up with pirates.

In the end though it's a list that requires the purchase of Talion 'Jacks, and after sinking my money first on Searforge and than having to do it all over again to by 'Jacks for my human merc casters I have no desire to buy a third collection of 'Jacks. Especially considering Mule/Nomad>Mariner/Freebooter (IMO). Than there's the fact of picking up a second set of High Shields... annnnd not having the Commodore Cannon.

The only interest I would have is this is having a pair of Bokurs to keep all my pirate solos alive.

[cannonball]

I think the list could pull some tricks still and will give it a go once I find out how many Highshields you need to take.

[Kenlen]

The requirements the OP listed only mentions non-character jacks, he didn't specify privateer-themed jacks.

[The Buoyancy of Water]

This is very interesting! Have already got a Durgen list and some extra Merc stuff and have been thinking about Shae since I want to get pirates to use with eIrusk. I will have to look into this

Oh, and can someone work out just how far a Tuned Up, Pronted, Shae stuffed Rockram can threaten in this list..? Don't have books handy, and it's hurting my head trying to work it out from memory...

Cheers,
Dave

[Kenlen]

Rockram. Pronto 4" + Godspeed 3" + Coup the Main 2" + charge 7" = 16". + 8" from the Sledge Cannon on assault = 24".

Of course, a Basher could slam 18"

[The Buoyancy of Water]

Plus deploying 9/12 onto the board, making it 33/36..?

[CareyBear]

Bah, if tier 2 was OAC not highshields I'd give this a go.

But I'm not buying highshields. Otherwise, Thor in a Shae list is totally legit.

[pattison]

^^ Yup, this is what I feel too.

[The Buoyancy of Water]

Just noticed the tier bonus for AD is Rhulic model/unit, so the rockram could be ADed as well. I think that means it potentially can hit things 39/42 from your table edge first turn?! Enemy casters better not stand at the front of their deployment zones if this list goes first...

Cheers,
Dave