Last chance UK Masters lists.

[PG_LEJKaya]

So lists have to be finalised by Friday so I thought before I send in my last attempts I'd post my 3 lists for people to critique:
Fire away!


Baldur the Stonecleaver (*6pts)
Theme: Rock of Orboros Tier4
* Megalith (10pts)
* Woldwarden (8pts)
* Woldwarden (8pts)
Druids of Orboros (7pts)
+ Druid of Orboros Overseer (2pts)
Sentry Stone & Manikins (3pts)
Sentry Stone & Manikins (3pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
+ Stone keeper (1pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers (5pts)
Stoneward and 5 Woldstalkers (5pts)

Reinforcements:
* Wold Guardian (8pts)
Blackclad Wayfarer (2pts)


Morvahna the Autumnblade (*6pts)
* Woldguardian (9pts)
* Woldguardian (9pts)
Druids of Orboros (7pts)
+ Druid of Orboros Overseer (2pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
+ Stone keeper (1pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
Tharn Bloodtrackers (Max) (8pts)
+ Nuala the Huntress (2pts)
Warpborn Skinwalkers (Max) (8pts)
Gallows Grove (1pts)
Gallows Grove (1pts)
Totem Hunter (3pts)
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew (1pts)

Reinforcements:
Tharn Wolfriders (Max) (10pts)


Krueger the Stormwrath (*5pts)
* Feral Warpwolf (9pts)
* Warpwolf Stalker (10pts)
* Woldwarden (9pts)
* Gorax (4pts)
Druids of Orboros (7pts)
+ Druid of Orboros Overseer (2pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
+ Stone keeper (1pts)
Shifting Stones (2pts)
Tharn Bloodweavers (5pts)
Blackclad Wayfarer (2pts)
Gallows Grove (1pts)
Gallows Grove (1pts)

Reinforcements:
Tharn Wolfriders (Max) (10pts)

[PG_LEJKaya]

Basically, since the tournamennt is D&C (Need to use each list twice) I tried to have a first and second choice for any given opponent so for example
Khador infantry: 1st choice is Krueger, 2nd Baldur.
Cygnar guns: 1st choice Morvahna, 2nd krueger.

I am hoping I haven't forgotten anything that none of these cover, I am a bit worried about Purification casters, especially pKreoss but other than that I should be sound.

[Icepick28]

Your list look great. As you already said, you min concern would be purification or things that can constantly drop your upkeeps. Besides that, you look solid

[The Golden Arrow]

OK, the biggest thing I want to comment is the reinforcements. Its usually better to have multiple units and at least one cheap solo that can run and contest a zone/flag (look at the scenarios and to see what the reinforcements need to do). The most important job of the reinforcements is to take control points after all.

Therefore I would advokate taking a small unit of wolf riders and some other stuff. The perfect model in my mind is a feralgeist. With incoperal he ignores everything that is in the way to the objective (except blocking units with magic weapons of course) and at 1 points you can easily throw him away. Blackclads are also good and at least with pKrueger you want a gallows grove so you can threat units contesting zones with chain lightning to face (or tornadoing a beast towards the centre where you can kill it). Lord of the feast is not bad either as he can threat a long way and will keep infantry on the look out.

For the real lists I'm only going to comment the Morvahna one since that's the only caster I have experience with. In my mind she wants more hitting power, probably in the form of another heavy. Without that she will really struggle to kill armies with lots of armour and she will shred infantry anyway with eruption of life, feat and trackers, or you can tie them up with skinwalkers.

I would probably not play druids with her, especially as your other two lists have them and they will both be better match ups against Cryx anyway. She doesn't need the clouds (well, svamp gobbers are enough... ) and not counter magic either really. The only thing they really help her with is protection against spell assasinations but you can play around that by playing smart with her. To bring this together with what I wrote earlier they bring more low pow attacks to an army already filled with them and more denial in an army that has enough of it already and badly lacks hitting power.

So I would probably swap the druids out for a beast. If you have Ghetorix go with him cause he is the best thing that happened to Morvahna since they invented trackers If you don't have him a feral will serve nice, its a little pillow fisted without a gorax, but more pow 17 attacks will help at least.

[nickg36c]

I'm not sure if you can use the tier bonus on the reinforcements for the baldur list? Might be worth checking the steamroller rules. Just in case.

[Snowmelter]

I'm not sure if you can use the tier bonus on the reinforcements for the baldur list? Might be worth checking the steamroller rules. Just in case.

Yes, you can. But I wonder why you chose a wold guardian. The slowest of the slow. Does he ever reach anything? Is he fast enough to be forced the second turn after being deployed? Is a Blackclad reliable enough to speed him up?

[VagrantPoet]

I would swap one of the woldwardens in the main list for a woldguardian and make the reinforcement a Woldwarden.

Otherwise solid, heavy dependance on druids, and maybe a bit light on killy things, but they seem like good lists.

[taffyjoe]

I wonder what your answers to high arm are - e.g. Karchev, awkward menoth beyond the purification casters - e.g. EFeora (although pKruger/Baldur should be ok for most menoth matchups) and the Circle mirror match ups - mainly Kromac.

Looks like you have scenarios and anti-infantry sorted, which seems to be the UK meta.

[PG_LEJKaya]

Thanks for the replies!

Reinforcements, I have tried a solo but the Wolfriders have just played well, they can move to where I need them and actually clear the zone.

Swapping a warden and guardian is the one thing I've really been thinking about, I think having the Guardian in the main list IS stronger, but I have played with 2 wardens and megalith A LOT and so I feel more comfortable with the list.

Heavy Armour: I haven't really come up against it much but I think Baldur and assassination would be my answer to 4+ heavies unless its Karchev.
Karchev would likely be baldur too, Control could mean I win scenario or Krueger, take out support easily (Mechanics, ternion, koldun lord) and use sprint and control to take out heavies. Its a small gap in what I brought but not insurmountable.



Dropping Druids with Morvahna is something I've been toying with but every time I get convinced to leave them in. Morvahna is immune to shooting (Pretty much) and so magical defense means I am really dictating how the game will be played. If I had more time I'd try it more but they also help with the guardians threat range and their own anti-ranged and melee defense (Clouds) have helped too, especially granting the groves stealth (Yes this can be done by gobbers but the final change may be to add a grove instead of the gobbers).

I will be doing one last day of testing today with Baldur having the guardian main list. I'll let you all know how badly I failed after the event!

[Warcaster Feiss]

Liking the lists there LEJ.

A bit late to chime in with input since the deadline has passed (just seen this after running a search to find the PP thread for the Masters!) but just wanted to comment in relation to Wardens as reinforcements. Sure they can force outside their Warlocks control area, but I don't believe they can Geomancy (they have to be within their 'casters control area) which is kind of half the reason we take Wardens, so hoping you stuck with the Guardian in as reinforcements!!

After seeing some of the lists at the Welsh Open this weekend just gone I'm wishing I'd gone for Krueger1 as one of my lists (I opted for Krueger2 given I have more practice with him) so he should do you proud

[PG_LEJKaya]

I did leave the guardian as reinforcements after a game where exactly that happened. I managed to trample (Had to pay for it!) into baldurs CTRL but it didn't do exactly as I wanted.


pKrueger was my first locked in choice, I knew he was a good counter to a lot of stuff out there, in fact I decided to take Morvahna as a second because she also does infantry removal and Krueger was in too high demand!

Hope to see you there!

[PG_LEJKaya]

Trolls round 1.

Intel says Grim Angus, Skilldrak or Borka.

[SillySod]

Sounds like a job for Morv.... the main issue you'd have to contend with is snacking so it depends how sneaky you think your opponent will be when it comes to triggering it.

Krueger and Baldur look fine though. I dont really know the troll casters well enough to comment further

[DeathnGlory]

Trolls round 1.

Intel says Grim Angus, Skilldrak or Borka.

How do you know your first round opponent? Is there a listing somewhere?

[SillySod]

The first round draw has been revealed, yes.

Lists were submitted early so that they could be error checked but it also means that the organisers can reveal the first round draw and scenario etc.

[DeathnGlory]

The first round draw has been revealed, yes.

Lists were submitted early so that they could be error checked but it also means that the organisers can reveal the first round draw and scenario etc.

Do you know where it is? Keen to see whom I playing and what the scenarios are.

[SillySod]

For some reason the UK warmachine community hangs out in this forum. The subject with current details is named round one draw or something along those lines.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

I didn't see these either until too late, but the only thing I'd have recommended would have been at least one Wold Guardian in the main list for Baldur. I guess that's just my preference on how to play him though somewhat. I'm definitely going to be interested in your results. Also, interested specifically to hear how you like your Morvahna build. I've been planning to run with the wolf riders in the main list rather than reinforcements, so it'll be interesting to see how you like the Druids + Totem over what would be Wolf Riders and Blackclad for me.

[Warcaster Feiss]

Trolls round 1.

Intel says Grim Angus, Skilldrak or Borka.

I wouldn't be surprised if Darran is rocking Skilldrak, he's mentioned him a lot when I've chatted to him.

Last I spoke to Darran, he plays eMadrak in Tier, so 2 full units of Fenns + UA's, 2 full units of Longriders, Hortrol, plus light 'beasts to taste. Fenn bowling / Bull Rushes left right and centre!

Saw him playing eGrissel the last time I was up at the North West Gaming Centre, so she could be one of his 'locks too.

Cheers,

Ryan.

[niceas]

When you say skilldrak, are you refering to #1 or #2? I'm guessing #2?

[Warcaster Feiss]

Skilldrak is Madrak2 / eMadrak