"That" Caster

[joelker41]

I know we all have casters that we love and do well with, then there are the ones that we constantly faceplant with in key moments.

Me? My faceplant caster is Ossyan. I play him to aggressive, or not aggressive enough, and then in key moments I roll bad or he dies to some incredible dice luck from my opponent. I am like 2-11 with him in 35 and up. I don't consider myself a bad player, just a bad Ossyan player LOL.

I have an above 50% winning rate with all our casters except him. I am undefeated with Vyros and I can't for the life of me figure out how. Ossyan is "that" caster for me.

Anyone else have one caster (or multiple) that fate just dictates you can't win with?


EDIT: I should add that I used to be that way with Ravyn. My MHSF had a bad habit of rolling 8s and 9s to hit and 5s and 6s on damage for the first dozen or so games with her.

[Rampaging Elk]

Vyros. He's always lacking something, though I think from a game standpoint he's lacking something. But I'll often get him right where I need him and he falls short, then gets pounded on. If he just had one more focus, or a MAT buff for his jacks, or Mobility was an upkeep or SOMETHING, I'd have a much better win/loss record with him. As it is... I end most games with him feeling just a little sad.

[absent]

Garryth for me hasn't ever done it, had him charge pgrissel under the stone, i thought the game was pretty well over... it was over all right, after he got crit slammed into a trollkin and beat to death.

[Murkhadh]

I know we all have casters that we love and do well with, then there are the ones that we constantly faceplant with in key moments.

Me? My faceplant caster is Ossyan. I play him to aggressive, or not aggressive enough, and then in key moments I roll bad or he dies to some incredible dice luck from my opponent. I am like 2-11 with him in 35 and up. I don't consider myself a bad player, just a bad Ossyan player LOL.

I have an above 50% winning rate with all our casters except him. I am undefeated with Vyros and I can't for the life of me figure out how. Ossyan is "that" caster for me.

Anyone else have one caster (or multiple) that fate just dictates you can't win with?


EDIT: I should add that I used to be that way with Ravyn. My MHSF had a bad habit of rolling 8s and 9s to hit and 5s and 6s on damage for the first dozen or so games with her.

Sadly enough this has been Ossyan for me lately as well. Bad dice rolls have cost me many games lately. I was on a tear with him when he first came out but between bad dice and my meta seeming to have figured him out, I haven't been doing so hot with him lately.

Garryth I do okay with, Vyros is well blah I've won some games with him, but not vs top teir opponents or casters.

[ucfan34]

I don't have "that" caster per say, but I did notice that I'm above .500 with everyone, but Vyros. I started thinking I was new/REALLY bad. Now after more time playing I've found that Vyros just isn't as strong as our other casters (not played Rahn or Garryth yet though).

It's a bit sad, because Vyros is awesome. Got my fingers crossed that Vyros2 is amazing.

[Rogue Sun]

Ravyn. I understand she is SUPPOSED to be one of our top tier, but she just doesn't do it for me. Snipe Feat Go is great until I see an ARM 16 caster across the table (which is a pretty frequent occurrence in my meta) and then I can't rely on it to down the caster, which leaves me with a feat that feels generally useless as I can usually find a means to hit high DEF. Basically when I play Ravyn I find myself wishing she had Ossyan's feat instead.

[Murkhadh]

Ravyn. I understand she is SUPPOSED to be one of our top tier, but she just doesn't do it for me. Snipe Feat Go is great until I see an ARM 16 caster across the table (which is a pretty frequent occurrence in my meta) and then I can't rely on it to down the caster, which leaves me with a feat that feels generally useless as I can usually find a means to hit high DEF. Basically when I play Ravyn I find myself wishing she had Ossyan's feat instead.

Thats your entire problem, your going right for the caster, the feat does a lot more if you use it to rip apart the caster's army. This really isnt' a Ravyn rule or a retribution rule, its a warmachine/hordes rule. Go for the army unless they gift wrap the caster for you. You will win more games that way.

[Rogue Sun]

But, that's the problem. I don't need her feat to kill the army. So why take her to kill the army when I don't need her to do so?

[Mogu]

But, that's the problem. I don't need her feat to kill the army. So why take her to kill the army when I don't need her to do so?

The key to her feat is to make things more accurate. Make things hit when you need them to. I don't play Ravyn much as I feel she gives me TOO much of an advantage, but when you crack half their army with well placed shots the caster kill becomes much easier. I played Vyros as my first caster, and because of that I've learned to not be dependent on my feat turns to decide my moves but rather reinforce my moves.

Why take Ravyn? Because taking Ravyn gives you that much more power.

At any rate, my weakest caster would have to be Garryth. He requires too much UPS to get to the enemy caster. I'm used to playing attrition games and assassination lists are not my forte.

[Syfer22]

At any rate, my weakest caster would have to be Garryth. He requires too much UPS to get to the enemy caster. I'm used to playing attrition games and assassination lists are not my forte.

Then play attrition using his guns, Mirage, Death Sentence and the occasional Gallows.

[Murkhadh]

But, that's the problem. I don't need her feat to kill the army. So why take her to kill the army when I don't need her to do so?

The mhsf is rat 6 and the stormfalls are rat 5 if you dont' need her feat to kill the army, you roll much better than I do. I face lots with higher defense than 12 or 13 most games I play

Also the feat also lets everyone that kills move 2 inches., it lets you shoot and back up out of threat range, or move some forward to be the first line and the rest back to be the backline to preserve models.

[Rogue Sun]

With things like the Banshee now out, hitting targets has been far less of an issue than it was before. And any high def infantry I come across usually gets torn apart by AOEs from stormfall, spells or get caught in combustions. I don't know, I just haven't seen much use for Ravyn's feat other than picking off a caster. Yes, there is plenty of high DEF stuff in my meta, but Ret also has numerous ways to deal with it. To each their own. She doesn't work for me. Kaelyssa does. All comes down to play styles I suppose.

[Ilay]

Ravyn for me.
I really want to love her - model is beautiful and her set of rules is nice. But I just can't play her properly. Whenever I play I tend to do one of two errors. I either overextend her giving my enemy easy assassination victory. Or play too defensive and just can't build enough momentum to break opponent's ranks.
I also tend to aim fore more "grind" play style and value damage output more then accuracy. So Ossy completely overshadows Ravyn for me.

[Murkhadh]

With things like the Banshee now out, hitting targets has been far less of an issue than it was before. And any high def infantry I come across usually gets torn apart by AOEs from stormfall, spells or get caught in combustions. I don't know, I just haven't seen much use for Ravyn's feat other than picking off a caster. Yes, there is plenty of high DEF stuff in my meta, but Ret also has numerous ways to deal with it. To each their own. She doesn't work for me. Kaelyssa does. All comes down to play styles I suppose.

Your contradicting yourself, you say you don't need the feat but then you say she dosen't work for you. This is pretty indicative that your doing something wrong.

So you don't see zaall or ekreos spam or khador with winterguard and kayazay much? Your not killing enough of those models before they engage you without ravyn's feat and being able to back up. And Zaal and eKreoss aren't vulnerable to snipe feat and go. And the best way to beat Zaal is a good gunline or a ton of RFP, (So ravyn and Ossyan)

Generally when your doing something a certain way, and its not working, its time to try doing something different.

Most issues players have in this game are less the caster and list and more the player, myself included.

[Rogue Sun]

No, I don't see Zaal, or Ekreoss. I see Winterguard, but they're a DEF 12, 14 max, and picking off the officer isn't difficult. The most difficult thing I've faced high DEF spam wise was a Thyra tier list with 6 units of daughters, which I spanked hard with Kaelyssa tossing out Rifts like they were candy.

I'm not down on Ravyn, I get that she is powerful for other people, but she just doesn't do the job for me. I've tried using her feat to kill armies and found myself wondering why I needed the feat to do so. And when I come across high ARM armies like Skorne or Khador, which are featured fairly predominately in my meta, I feel like a fool for bringing Ravyn over Ossyan.