Judicator teaser from BoLS

[tzeentchling]

Surprised no one has posted about this yet. BoLS got a teaser tidbit from PP about our collossal, Judicator:

Judicator - Protectorate Colossal

Reliquary - This model is allocated 1 additional focus point during your Control Phase. The S boxes of this modelʼs damage grid represent its Reliquary system. While its Reliquary system is disabled, this model loses the benefits of Reliquary.

Kind of like a Seether drive. Makes running such a big model easier!

[Demeritus]

It was posted in the Judicator with Feora2 thread but no reason for this spoiler not to have its own thread. It is a nice rule, we have focus efficiency for our warjacks but no reason not to have more.

[baronvonchaos]

So stoked for Amon/Feora (both)/Reznik's new friend. This is gravy for me.

[Tera]

I have a feeling Efeora will be unable to bond with the colossal, especially when you look at other bonds from other factions lol...

[Del Fuego]

So stoked for Amon/Feora (both)/Reznik's new friend. This is gravy for me.

Don't forget pKreoss, we're looking at a potential 3 rockets and 2 sprays. That'd look mighty pretty for the feat turn. Plus DW is never bad.

[darisus]

Somehow i feel for the volume of fire people think colossals have they are going to be disappointed when you won't be able to fire them allthe same turn. Probably one set or the other and maybe pay focus for the other set similar to redeemer with rof 3 but paying one for each additional range gun you want to fire. I see it being multiple weapons per half, but only being able to use one initially on each half and paying for the other. No way do i see using all 4 as initals even at 19pts that is alot of fire compared to 2 jacks that maybe get one shot a turn. Now if they are weapon platforms i really see this happening as 2 intial melee and 4 intial range is way OP for just 19pts.

[Mathai]

Well two Redeemers and two Repenters costs 20, and will put out about as many shots as (Theoretically) the Judicator will. And they do it with more boxes (Most likely) and alot easier to protect. That would lead me to believe all weapons can fire at the same time.

[Alzer]

Mayhaps it'll have the two flamethrowers and the rockets are meant to be in volleys. So a larger aoe/higher damage but only one shot. Sorta using the fact that the thing has rocket batteries instead of a back.

The Conquest is known to have a pair of giant cannons on it's back, but only gets one shot (I figure the reload mechanism is just really poor, or they fire simultaneously, they ARE Kinda hooked together)

I'm just looking forward to laying out flaming pimpslaps. And focus efficiency. I love me some focus efficiency.

[Blarmb]

Mayhaps it'll have the two flamethrowers and the rockets are meant to be in volleys. So a larger aoe/higher damage but only one shot. Sorta using the fact that the thing has rocket batteries instead of a back.

I could see it being the equilvant of a 3-man Deilvery CRA being neat, so long as it loses inaccurate or has some other kind fo to-hit bonus in that case.

I'm still hoping for Rapid Fire or a simliar rule.

[Masanori]

so just to make sure I am rite. We can give this thing 4 focus from the caster? OR from Reclaimer during control phase? OR when allocating, rite? (yay Amon)

[bouncymischa]

so just to make sure I am rite. We can give this thing 4 focus from the caster? OR from Reclaimer during control phase? OR when allocating, rite? (yay Amon)

No, you can never exceed 3 focus through allocation (except for bonded warjacks, which have a higher limit...)

[Del Fuego]

No, you can never exceed 3 focus through allocation (except for bonded warjacks, which have a higher limit...)

At this time, we can not know for certain how much focus a Colossal can be allocated as we do not know if they have a special rule for focus allocation.

[PG_Steampunk Jim]

At this time, we can not know for certain how much focus a Colossal can be allocated as we do not know if they have a special rule for focus allocation.

Apparently in the new NQ it says that they're limited to 3 focus.

[Mathai]

So Harby can now play with a dependable effective focus count of 13/14.....neat. =)

[darisus]

Apparently in the new NQ it says that they're limited to 3 focus.

Which means the hordes ones will be fury 5-6. And the Doom cycle for that shall begin.

[Masanori]

so in that case... allocated 1 additional focus means... instead of having to give it 3 focus we can give it 2 and it auto gets three... somehow? or?

[Mathai]

As a Cryx player, we've been dealing with a very similar wording issue in the Deathjack and the Seether.

Deathjack's wording is that it gets an additional focus per arm system active. So it can achieve 5 total focus because the two extra focus are not allocated. (As unbondd 'Jacks can only be allocated 3 total focus)

The Seether's wording is that it is allocated one focus. Since you can only be allocated 3 total focus, that means the warcaster will only be giving it 2 more tops to cap off at unbonded 3 total focus. The special ability focus will also stop coming in if the 'Jack becomes autonomous.


The Judicator's special ability says it is allocated, you can only allocate 3 focus to a 'Jack. So barring an unreleased special ability on the Judicator itself that allows more focus allocation than normal, all the superstructure does is give you that first focus point for free. The Warcaster then giving two more max if desired.

[SnakeEyes]

With only being able to likely allocate 3 focus to it, I still hope it has Redeemer pods and that it's a "shoot both for one focus" deal.

[paradox]

Which means the hordes ones will be fury 5-6. And the Doom cycle for that shall begin.

Considering heavy 'beasts are typically FURY4, I would expect FURY4 as a base.

[Soulblighter]

With only being able to likely allocate 3 focus to it, I still hope it has Redeemer pods and that it's a "shoot both for one focus" deal.

Remember it has two flamethrowers too. So the skyhammer pods are likely only ROF1 or ROF2 at most.

[Mathai]

Its my hope that they are ROF 2, but without the Innacurate special rule. Those missiles in the picture DID have stabalizer fins after all...

[Mathai]

Its my hope that they are ROF 2, but without the Innacurate special rule. Those missiles in the picture DID have stabalizer fins after all...Or maybe they will each fire d3 shots a turn, no added focus for extra shots needed?

[Wulfy]

I am expecting them to be separate systems. Maybe with each having a rof of 2 or 3. That way you can fire each system once as an action and fire it again with focus. I am thinking Reckoner flares something, then you can unload ranged hell on a jack and take it out. Run in a screen to stave off a charge, do it again next turn.

[Soulblighter]

Expecting our Colossal to have 6-8 ranged attacks isn't reasonable. None of the other Colossals fire that many shots. Theres no reason to believe our Colossal will be different. At most I think its gonna have two ROF1 heavy flamethrowers and two ROF1 heavy skyhammers.

[darisus]

Expecting our Colossal to have 6-8 ranged attacks isn't reasonable. None of the other Colossals fire that many shots. Theres no reason to believe our Colossal will be different. At most I think its gonna have two ROF1 heavy flamethrowers and two ROF1 heavy skyhammers.

Agreed... i think people are expecting way too many attacks.

[allenamenvergeben]

After seeing the Stormwalls Special System (denoted with "S" in his grid), I am a little underwhelmed by the Judicators Special System. It just gives one focus whereas Stormwall can hand out several POW 10 hits which can disrupt jacks. What do you think about this?

[Kazi]

Expecting our Colossal to have 6-8 ranged attacks isn't reasonable. None of the other Colossals fire that many shots. Theres no reason to believe our Colossal will be different. At most I think its gonna have two ROF1 heavy flamethrowers and two ROF1 heavy skyhammers.

Interesting to read this now. Stormwall does 4 to 8 plus its lightning pod. The Conquest can get up to 5 but we don't know if it has to buy additional attacks on the secondary guns. I think the Judicator probably has two SP 10 Pow 12s that can leave incinerate clouds, and some number of rocket attacks, maybe a random number, maybe a set number if we're lucky, maybe we have to buy additionals if we're not.

[Craaag]

If it has 2 Redeemer rockets there is no reason not to believe they won't have ROF 3 capacity on them. Particularly when you look at the Stormwalls ranged attacks. The only problem is it won't be able to shoot them all off with only 3 Focus unless it has a special rule to fire both off for 1 Focus. Hopefully the "S" also stands for a sub cortex as well as the special system and these things can get additional Focus into them.

[Snipafist]

After seeing the Stormwalls Special System (denoted with "S" in his grid), I am a little underwhelmed by the Judicators Special System. It just gives one focus whereas Stormwall can hand out several POW 10 hits which can disrupt jacks. What do you think about this?

I continue to think it sounds like it should be handy and that they basically did it to find a way to give us SOMETHING without having to give us high-POW ranged weapons, which would become ridiculous under the choir. Until we see the whole package, we'll have no idea how it all fits together.

If it has 2 Redeemer rockets there is no reason not to believe they won't have ROF 3 capacity on them. Particularly when you look at the Stormwalls ranged attacks. The only problem is it won't be able to shoot them all off with only 3 Focus unless it has a special rule to fire both off for 1 Focus. Hopefully the "S" also stands for a sub cortex as well as the special system and these things can get additional Focus into them.

Yes, but nobody has specifically stated the rocket batteries are the Redeemer-style rocket batteries. I am highly skeptical that they'd give us two weapon systems that each want 2+ focus and would take a long time to resolve. The Stormwall's dakka guns do direct hits, the Redeemer batteries usually drift and you'd be generating up to 6 attacks with them, which just takes forever and is a frequently-cited reason for why people just don't use Deliverers. Given that PP is likely trying to keep the time commitment on using this thing low(er) and that the other Colossals seem to favor a strong infantry-mulching/control element (I suspect PP is trying to encourage more jack use, as infantry will struggle to deal with these things), I wouldn't worry about the rocket batteries. They'll likely be a large AOE, and I wouldn't be surprised if they model it based off the AOE4 or AOE5 Deliverers CRA rocket attack, but only be one attack each.

[Craaag]

The Stormwall does have 2 X Defender guns basically, which when boosting to hit and Damage does equal 4 Focus points and that's not even including the Rapid Fire guns and the lightning Pod electrical arcs. There is potential for alot more than 3 focus being burned on these things. I do agree that it doesn't seem right that they would give weaponry that can't even be fired at it's full capacity due to Focus allocation limitations. For the amount of points they cost there won't be limitations like that. The artwork led many to believe it was redeemer rockets I think because of the barrage of shells it was firing off if memory serves me correctly? There's no reason why it couldn't just be a multi shot gun similar to the D3 multi fire chain guns throwing AOE's instead, or as Snipafist says 1 larger AOE.

The Stormwall seems to have the abilities of 3 Cygnar jacks the heavy Defender guns, Cyclone covering fire and it's chain guns and Stormclads reach and electro leaps, not even incuding the lightning pods. Alot of it being Infantry control. I would expect ours to be similar. I wonder if it will have a Combustion type ability on top of flame throwers and long range guns? Combustion would be nice with that huge base It would seem that it would have at least 2 other special abilities besides the apparent guns, at least one of which deals with the "S" system which we know is a point of allocated Focus. It just seems like there should be much more than that when you look at the Stormwall.

[Kazi]

There is nothing that says the Holy Reliquary is the only system or ability attached to "S." It's just the only one we know of at the moment.

[SnakeEyes]

The Stormwall is essentially 2 Defenders, a Cyclone, and a Firefly (26 points).
I expect ours to be 2 Redeemers, 2 Repenters, and a Crusader (26 points).

Plus some special abilities on each, of course.

[PG_Deist]

After seeing storm wall, I think we will end up with 2 spray attacks that can alternatively be used to make flame walls!

[jandrese]

I'm really hoping it can lay down Incineration templates instead, but you are probably right about the Flamewalls.

[PG_Steampunk Jim]

I'm absolutely, 100% ok with them having flame walls, if that ends up being the case.

[shady]

Flaming Nipples whats not to like. I find our collossal will most likely be 19 arm 10 defence rat 6 with Mat 6 but the choir will bost that thing like a champion well see two fist weapons like the strom one everything else i just cant image lets just wait and See Cheers

[Gavriel]

My predictions after seeing Stormwall and Conquest:

Spd: 4
Str: 17
Mat: 6
Rat: 5
Def: 10
Arm: 19
Immune to Fire

Fists:
P+S 20
Flame Burst

2 pow 12 Spray 8's
RoF 3 rocket battery firing pow 14 rng 16 rockets

Can place 2 walls of fire within 8" instead of spraying.

[Lanz]

On the one hand, flamewalls seem sort of lame, on the other hand, incineration templates would be bonkers.

But then, there's also the superstructure weapon. The Stormwall sets a precedent for being able to have primary guns, defensive guns, and still have a superstructure on top of all that. As with most things Menite, the Judicator might have some kind of synergy abilities and other menite tricks for its superstructure.

[Gavriel]

Well we know the superstructure gives us a free focus point. It may yet do more beyond that though.

I think we'll get flame walls if anything because that is the most analogous thing we have to Creeping barrage or suppressing fire. Unless it can lay out smoke, that would be pretty awesome.

Then again the Cryx one didn't get anything to help it defend itself, it just has the 4" reach and kill shot.

[Ubik]

If it has 2 Redeemer rockets there is no reason not to believe they won't have ROF 3 capacity on them. Particularly when you look at the Stormwalls ranged attacks. The only problem is it won't be able to shoot them all off with only 3 Focus unless it has a special rule to fire both off for 1 Focus. Hopefully the "S" also stands for a sub cortex as well as the special system and these things can get additional Focus into them.

I doubt they'd have ROF 3 for that very reason. It would make much more sense to give them something like scattershot or carpet bomb, only removing the special attack akin to how covering fire isn't a special action for the Stormwall.