Madly Insane Madhammer?

[Da-Rock]

I was using a Madhammer list to playtest against my pMadrak Brick just see how the flow would go etc and I came across something downright stupid, so I figured it was perfect for Madhammer:

This all centers around the spell "Primed" and Madhammers notion for playing insane/fun! (this is not for tournament play) -

Madhammer w/ Max Boomhowlers & Co. and Alexia & Risen behind

Boomhowler & Co have Primed on and Charge in, smash things up etc and act like a good Super Tough Tarpit they are, but with a hidden agenda. Risen move up behind with Rhupert putting on Tough -

Madhammer and Gunners shoot things on edges etc or before hand.... or ...............

Now there are two things that can be done. If Boomhowlers are tied up tight and not much was done and you have a chance to lay some more damage or kill more targets = you have Madhammer or someone shoot and kill one of Boomhowlers group centrally and it explodes doing a POW 14 to the guys next to and in front - things that die feed the Risen while doing damage - others make tough rolls.

Question: Primed explosion triggers on Disable and so does Tough......does this mean Boomhowlers group explodes and also gets a Tough roll?

The main idea is to have some combat troops that can kill while giving an insane tactic if needed. You could do the same with the Risen while still retaining a tarpit on the board.

[sleet01]

Read Primed again, it's when disabled (or boxed) by an enemy attack. Otherwise it'd be the single most powerful offensive spell in the game.

Edit: regarding the resolution order of Primed and Tough, you get to choose.

[MagnustheJust]

No pruple person in that thread Sleet01... Not sure if that is true.

EDIT: Tough is not optional - you have to make the roll.

[Da-Rock]

So I can explode and roll tough. Excellent. That is what I was told before, but figured I'd ask. The enemy part does change the approach, but in the same instant it makes it just as scary.

Boomhowler & Co running with Super Tough and Primed into enemy lines. Do they kill and cause an explosion or wait and get attacked by Mat 8 Pow 14's. Not a revolutionary thing, but sure is a touch crazy, stupid and most importantly = FUN!

[sleet01]

No, you can't explode and then roll Tough. *If* Primed is handled first, the model is removed from the game and thus cannot make a Tough roll. However, if MtJ is correct then you must roll for Tough, which means you must handle Tough before Primed. Since that linked thread has no further updates, however, I'm going to say the controlling player gets to choose order since this doesn't invalidate the fact that you *must* make Tough rolls. If you choose Primed to execute first, then the necessity to handle Tough is removed. If you choose to handle Tough first, you must make the Tough rolls. No rule collision!

[Tahoth]

To be perfectly clear:
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...Self-Sacrifice

You get to choose, however you can't explode first and take tough. One of 3 things can happen:
1. Explode first, you are then removed from play and as such no longer disabled so may not make a tough roll.
2. Tough roll first, if passed you are no longer disabled and cannot explode.
3. Tough roll first, if failed, you are still disabled and then explode.

Edit: Ah beat me to it, but I found a thread with a purple post for ya ;P

[bouncymischa]

I know I've used the same combination of triggers with Gudrun -- Gudrun's ability to heal himself when he's disabled means I can choose to put that trigger before Primed, to avoid having him blow up.

So yeah, sleet and Tahoth have it right -- you can't be Tough AND explode.

[Ger]

To be perfectly clear:
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...Self-Sacrifice

You get to choose, however you can't explode first and take tough. One of 3 things can happen:
1. Explode first, you are then removed from play and as such no longer disabled so may not make a tough roll.
2. Tough roll first, if passed you are no longer disabled and cannot explode.
3. Tough roll first, if failed, you are still disabled and then explode.

Edit: Ah beat me to it, but I found a thread with a purple post for ya ;P

This is how I've always done it with Roth's Mercy instead of "explode".

[pattison]

It's not that complicated.
Just one addition: not sure if mentioned but the models exploded due to Primed won't return as Risen.

[Da-Rock]

I will have to adjust the approach, but I think I like the role of Kamikaze undead running crazed at the opponents lines, blowing up and killing living models, (I hope) and create backup Risen from there. I may play a Min Boomhowler behind them to protect Alexia and Madhammer.

[SevenSins]

another nice one is charging primed infantry past opposing infantry, free strike? = boom might help getting to things otherwise out of reach

[Da-Rock]

another nice one is charging primed infantry past opposing infantry, free strike? = boom might help getting to things otherwise out of reach

good point.........consider "added to plan" :-)

[Chopsworth]

Also, to keep Alexia safe you might want to throw a Bokur in there to soak up a powerful shot headed her way.

[Da-Rock]

Also, to keep Alexia safe you might want to throw a Bokur in there to soak up a powerful shot headed her way.

I plan on having Alexia behind Boomhowler & Co's line and their medium bases.

[Bartacus]

.....blowing up and killing living models, (I hope) and create backup Risen from there.

Da Rock, read pattison's post above yours, this doesn't work unfortunately.

[Chopsworth]

I plan on having Alexia behind Boomhowler & Co's line and their medium bases.

Fair enough. I've just seen what a lucky shot can do to a primed Alexia, and having to sac off a handful a Risen sucks.

[Tavitin]

Don't PRIMED triggers only on enemy attacks? (meaning they won't explode by shooting them yourself?)

[MagnustheJust]

Don't PRIMED triggers only on enemy attacks? (meaning they won't explode by shooting them yourself?)

You are correct sir!! You win a cookie!!


[Disclaimer : contestant must provide own cookie.]

[pattison]

Da Rock, read pattison's post above yours, this doesn't work unfortunately.

Actually if it's the AOE3 that kills the living modell (and not the spell itself) then they do come back as Risen.
Suicide bomber = doesn't wake up, bombing casualties = they do (normally).

[Da-Rock]

Exactly, the Primed model will not rise, but everything it kills will, (except other Primed models of course)

[Chopsworth]

Unless your Primed model catches another Primed model in it's blast, than it will not explode. Only enemy attacks trigger Primed. I wanna say Primed some more... Primed Primed Primed Primed

[Kenlen]

Exactly. You cannot set of chain explosions, fun though it would be.

[MagnustheJust]

You can if you set them up right!!

[pattison]

I tend to provoke free strikes. Most people won't hit them, but otherwise their tarpit is just useless as I'm running/charging through between them.

[Tahoth]

Exactly, the Primed model will not rise, but everything it kills will, (except other Primed models of course)

Other primed models will still rise due to a primed explosion, they aren't being removed from play because their primed isn't triggering since it isn't an enemy attack.

[Havock]

Do feats that cause damage like, say, Old Witch's Field of Talons count as 'enemy attack'?

[sleet01]

Negative. Feats are feats.

[Havock]

That would have been too hilarious to be true, I suppose.

[lastspartacus]

Mad Madhammer is priming himself and charging FTW.

[MagnustheJust]

Mad Madhammer is priming himself and charging FTW.

He reeeaaally shouldn't do that in public...

[Havock]

I was more thinking along the lines of a bunch of assassins going all Jihadmachine on the opposition.

[MagnustheJust]

I was more thinking along the lines of a bunch of assassins going all Jihadmachine on the opposition.

The Kayazy Suite* with Durgen at the helm can be a true horror show for your opponent!!



* - By this, I mean max Assassins with Underboss and two units of Eliminators. One of the best 16-point investments of all the choices for the Four-Star Syndicate!!

[Havock]

I had such a feeling.

It's one reason why I am 'considering' picking him up as my second merc caster (Initial buy being pMagnus) after I fini... I mean have had temporarily enough of my khador.

[MagnustheJust]

I had such a feeling.

It's one reason why I am 'considering' picking him up as my second merc caster (Initial buy being pMagnus) after I fini... I mean have had temporarily enough of my khador.

Well then... If you also play Big Red, there really is no reason {finances aside...} for you to not go full on Kayazy!!

[sleet01]

I've steered away from Four Star units so far (for the obvious reason), but Kayazy Everything looks really, really good -_-;

[Havock]

Well then... If you also play Big Red, there really is no reason {finances aside...} for you to not go full on Kayazy!!

Not to mention they play well with, well, everyone. They don't need support, they just like it.

[pattison]

Well then... If you also play Big Red, there really is no reason {finances aside...} for you to not go full on Kayazy!!

Well there is still one reason... see my sig...

[Havock]

Well I have a min. unit.

there's a reason for that.
the underboss is fine.

Eliminators are fine.

kayazy are not fine.

[MagnustheJust]

I do agree that the Assassins sculpt is not the best that PP has ever released, but to me their table presence and abilities far outweigh their appearance. In this case, ugly works!!

Also, a good paint job/color scheme can do wonders...