New 'Lock coming with Gargantuans?

[various]

Just wondering if anyone knows which 'Lock is going extra Epic when we get the Gargantuans. On the WM forums there's plenty of buzz about Asphyxious3, Nemo3, Vlad3, etc. Has anyone heard who'll get the double epic treatment for Skorne? Would like to see Hexeris3, but that's just because he's my personal favourite ( and he only just went Epic in Domination so there's no chance of that happening). Or are we going to see a non Epic 'Lock go Epic? So does anyone know anything at all? Rumours, gossip, or even vague suppostions appreciated at this stage.

[Shogran]

It would be very strange to see Hordes get new epics of models who have epic, the ones getting new epic in Warmachine have a lot of fluff and there getting new forms to show how there evolving in the fluff. You will see epics but the wont be of people who have epic now.

[Sygerrik]

It would be very strange to see Hordes get new epics of models who have epic, the ones getting new epic in Warmachine have a lot of fluff and there getting new forms to show how there evolving in the fluff. You will see epics but the wont be of people who have epic now.

Incorrect. They've already confirmed Lylyth is going threepic, which means I'd guess there's one more for each other faction. My dream is Morghoul3, coming with two decoys, with some crazy positioning and attack redirecting shenanigans-- like aColette in Malifaux. What's more likely, though, is Mak3da mounted on a super ferocious Ferox. It would be nice to get her with an "honor guard" of three Skorne warriors, thus making her the first warcaster unit, but who knows?

[Earthcrosser599]

I can see Makeda on a ferox, but I don't know what Morgoul would have going on to put him into a large base...I don't think it'll be Hexy3 because he just got his first epic form.

Makeda having died and becoming a large-based Ancestral Guardian warcaster would be cool.

[jettzypher]

i envision morghoul getting a third version first. i havent finished reading everyones fluff yet, but his seems to be the one that insinuates it the most by saying (in not so many words) he would kill makeda himself if he decides her choices are not in the best interest of the kingdom. makeda would be likely since shes the ruler of all skorne, and while nice to have another hexeris he just got the epic treatment so a legendary version is unlikely anytime soon i think. as for everyone else we're still waiting on epics of them too so no legendaries there either.

[Keeper Hobo]

Taken from the Colossals description "New warcasters for each faction, including the third incarnations of some of the Iron Kingdoms? greatest champions." Assuming the Horde book (Gargantuans?) is the same, each faction will get an Epic2 warlock, and either a completely new warlock or one of the factions current warlocks will get its first epic incarnation. My bets are hedged on the second lock being a new epic lock not Epic2. But I would suspect Makeda or Morghoul for Epic2, and Zaal or Xerxis to get the epic treatment. with Krueger and Madrak being shoe ins for their respective factions

[*SQUEE*]

I read months ago that a dev told someone that our new epic wa Makeda. Not sure where I read that however... I could see Doomy for trolls especially with a mountain king coming.

I would prefer Morghoul myself.

[Mr.chair]

My dream is Morghoul3, coming with two decoys, with some crazy positioning and attack redirecting shenanigans-- like aColette in Malifaux. What's more likely, though, is Mak3da mounted on a super ferocious Ferox. It would be nice to get her with an "honor guard" of three Skorne warriors, thus making her the first warcaster unit, but who knows?

This. So this. A friend of mine had a similar concept with the decoys. I think that would be incredible. Maybe I can find his post, it was extremely cool.

[Mr.chair]

Haha, looked it up, the funny part is it was a post in reply to you. Here are the posts for posterity:
Posted by Sygerrik
why is this suggestion not getting more love? it's absolutely fantastic. this would be perfect for Morg3.
say it's like aColette from Malifaux; you get three models, and at the start of each turn you secretly note which one is real...

Posted byAlexandyr: While an awesome idea this does go against one of the primary design trends of Warmachine - that there is no hidden information. Still, there are probably ways that you could create a similar ability that does not involve hidden information. For example, here are a couple of similar ideas that involve no hidden info:
- the first time a decoy is hit each turn its controller must choose which decoy is the real Morghoul and replace one with his model. At the beginning of any decoy's activation you can replace it with Morhoul if he is not already in play. At the end of Morghoul's activation, replace him with a decoy.
- decoys appear each turn within 3" of Morghoul and can activate as normal that turn, the next turn, after leaching fury, you can replace any decoy with Morghoul, then you remove remaining decoys and place new ones within 3" of Morghoul's new position.

[eReinholdt]

Pretty sure its gonna be makeda, with the story basis being her assault on Ios.

[Triumph Of Man]

Plus the whole point is with an epic caster is to make them do something new. pMorg went from beast wrangling to super solo with assassin style shenanigans. A Legendairy Morg with the described fake morgs is going to be too similar. Far more likely they go with Ferox mounted Makeda and bust out a Cavalry caster for Hordes.

[PG_dungeongod]

I don't know about the decoy thing not being a new idea/playstyle for Morg - it would be significantly different. And not all of them change in "feel" - see eBaldur for instance. While he plays differently, his "feel" is still of the immovable object.

[DFGStar]

Don't forget Xerxis was pretty badly wounded at the end of domination.. maybe this could go somewhere eventually?

[hausdorff space]

I don't know about the decoy thing not being a new idea/playstyle for Morg - it would be significantly different. And not all of them change in "feel" - see eBaldur for instance. While he plays differently, his "feel" is still of the immovable object.

I was talking about this with some players the other day - I could see Morghoul taking on a much more beast (or infantry) driving playstyle. i.e. beast buffing with battlegroup wide effects (like Warpath Wild Aggression, Shadowmancer or something) to reflect (possible) fluff changes involving him taking a more leading/direct military role as the new Skorne empire comes into play.

Thinking being that Hexy is too new to go double epic and Makeda's changes were in her taking charge of the Skorne. Leaving Morghoul, who would presumably need to move on fluff-wise from being the king of assassins and has already done assassin and singular beast buff in the rules.

[esbad77]

you have to remember xeris went ham in the new book taken down 2 ppl with him if i remember correctly. he deserves an epic

[hausdorff space]

you have to remember xeris went ham in the new book taken down 2 ppl with him if i remember correctly. he deserves an epic

I don't debate that ... having something as fancy as an elven wood to invade would give him some potential growth-worthy story time too.

I would bet zero dollars that if Skorne gets:

• An epic, then it will be Xerxis
• A double epic, then it will be Morghoul.

LoE has been told they're getting a new Lylyth, whether or not each hordes faction is getting a double epic is yet to be seen though I guess.

[Triumph Of Man]

That would be like some hordes factions not getting a Gargantuan or a Battle Engine. Really doubt it.

[Delrogue]

Maybe some of the stuff in the last book will lead to the next set of normal epics. So the book after the Collossals/Gargantuans.

E.g. Xerxis will no doubt come back as an Epic, and it's been a while since i read the fluff, but didn't Karchev get pulled out of his chassis and get spirited away by Denny?

[various]

Karchev did get 'jacknapped by Denny, lots of specualtion amongst Cryx players about Mortenebra buliding herself into a 'Jack chassis like Karchev. By the look of it all the 'Casters in the Colossals book are 'double Epic' versions: no 'Casters went from prime to Epic by the sounds of it. If they follow the same path in Gargantuans then we'll see a 'double Epic' versions of pre-existing Epic 'Locks. If this is the case then there are only three pre-existing Epic candidates: Hexeris, Morghoul, or Makeda. Hexeris only just went Epic so there's no way that he'll go 'double Epic', which only leaves either Makeda or Morghoul as candidates, so it's a two way split. Of the two i'd prefer to see Makeda get the 'double Epic' treatment but only because i'm not a huge fan of Morghoul: love his background but do not like Fury 5. Personally i'd rather see a Prime version of someone go Epic but i don't think that this'll happen.

[ghostmachine]

as im still learning what & how to use each caster im easy on who turns "double"
i like all 3 casters that have gone epic both p & e
if we can get a new epic caster i would be happy
rasheth carried on the back of a titan ?(love that image )

[PG_yaro86ster]

I hope quietly for 2 warlocks... We are still in number of them behind warmachine

[souldestroyer]

im hoping for Makeda on a ferox since her tier list can have 2 units of them if not her then zaal getting his 1st epic form with another guardian solo or a immortal solo type

[Bormaigo]

Mordikaar disappeared...maybe into the void, seems epic to me.

[Kurgash]

He was only transported far away from the battlefield as his presence alone was causing massive fluxes of power in the ritual.

[PG_Chris Cuevas]

Incorrect. They've already confirmed Lylyth is going threepic, which means I'd guess there's one more for each other faction. My dream is Morghoul3, coming with two decoys, with some crazy positioning and attack redirecting shenanigans-- like aColette in Malifaux. What's more likely, though, is Mak3da mounted on a super ferocious Ferox. It would be nice to get her with an "honor guard" of three Skorne warriors, thus making her the first warcaster unit, but who knows?

Wow. This is a fantastic idea.

[Soylent]

Incorrect. They've already confirmed Lylyth is going threepic, which means I'd guess there's one more for each other faction. My dream is Morghoul3, coming with two decoys, with some crazy positioning and attack redirecting shenanigans-- like aColette in Malifaux. What's more likely, though, is Mak3da mounted on a super ferocious Ferox. It would be nice to get her with an "honor guard" of three Skorne warriors, thus making her the first warcaster unit, but who knows?

Forgetting about the Witch Coven?

[Delrogue]

Have they confirmed somewhere that all factions are getting the double epic and that's it? Or could we see teo casters per faction again? One double, one normal epic?

Why does there need to be synergy? Legion or circle fluff might warrant a double epic, but tbh, i'd much rather an epic rasheth or xerxis before i'd want a double epic makeda...

[*SQUEE*]

Have they confirmed somewhere that all factions are getting the double epic and that's it? Or could we see teo casters per faction again? One double, one normal epic?

Why does there need to be synergy? Legion or circle fluff might warrant a double epic, but tbh, i'd much rather an epic rasheth or xerxis before i'd want a double epic makeda...

All factions will get a double epic with minions and mercs the exception. I hope both pigs and crocs get a new caster.

[PG_dungeongod]

All factions will get a double epic with minions and mercs the exception. I hope both pigs and crocs get a new caster.

I would expect Mercs to potentially get one, or at least get an epic. Magnus could go double epic with the story line that has started to progress in Wrath...

[Blaque]

All the Warmachine factions save Retribution got a double-epic. PP seems intent on giving everyone the same "allotment' of regular, epic, threepic stuff. Just like they gave everyone the same amount of character heavies in a book, or epics in the past.

No casters beyond the ones announced have been discussed. The wording on the Colossals back can be read as, "Everyone gets a new caster, incluidng some of them getting new epics". Epic Vyros and General Oshrum (the new Mercenary Rhulic one) don't need to be triple-epics and still allows the back of the book to be true.

I see similar happening in Gargantuans, but with Minions being the odd one sout htere.

And stuff.

[Rynth]

Playing conspiracy.
Base Warmachine factions have 13 caster choices, 4 of which are epic. Mercenaries have 10(one epic). Retribution has 6.
Base Hordes factions have 11 caster choices, 3 of which are epic. Minions have 6.

A Hordes book with 1 new and 1 epic warlock would catch Hordes up to pre-Colossal count, a Minion Warlock will even them with Retribution.

More over, a Minion warlock could, if it worked for both themes, give each pact 4 warlocks. This could be important because Colossals/Gargantuans are pushing the game to larger point sizes. Some even suggest the 2 caster format as the intended standard as PP once wanted back when Escalation was released. Minions currently couldn't play in steamroller without an additional choice and can barely play Unbound.

[Jaradakar]

Man I hope they don't start escalating the point size of the game. I like 50pts, I don't want to see that increased and I was actually a little annoyed that the first colossal battle report in NQ DID escalate the points up to 75pt games.

While it's not overt, it's telling me that it's hard to fit 18-20pt models into a 50pt game -- a point I really hope I'm wrong on.

[Wearth]

I think that xerxis will go epic into an ancestral guardian and Morghoul will become a double epic, I think this will happen in that, Morghoul will betray Makada and kill xerxis, thus branding him as a traitor, and xerxis would get put in a sacred stone. The other way that skorne will kill xerxis, without having a traitor, would be if the enemy tricks Makada into believing that xerxis has stopped being loyal, and Makada sends someone to kill him, and then realizes after her mistake. I feel like skorne will end up killing xerxis, because, let's face it, xerxis is too strong and powerful to get killed on the battlefield.

[PG_dungeongod]

Man I hope they don't start escalating the point size of the game. I like 50pts, I don't want to see that increased and I was actually a little annoyed that the first colossal battle report in NQ DID escalate the points up to 75pt games.

While it's not overt, it's telling me that it's hard to fit 18-20pt models into a 50pt game -- a point I really hope I'm wrong on.

While I love larger point games on occasion, I tend to agree. 50 points is a nice feeling level - enough to get in some fun "toys", not too big to get a few games in on a weekend or in an evening after work.

[esbad77]

The way i feel is i know we all wanted a giant ancestral guardian gargantuan but it would be cool if we got an ancestral guardian caster on a large base. i really like the idea of xeris becoming an AG. i personally love AGs, especial hakaar that man is a house. however im still praying we get some giant AG type deal.