Gencon Masters 75

[Beckman]

Since Gencon Masters is going to be 75 points this year, has anyone been giving thought as to what they would play at 75 points?

Obviously, the vast majority of players will not play at Masters (myself included), but I do like the thought of playing more diverse lists at 75 points.

I'm wondering what the "good" tourney lists would look like at 75 points - whether the higher point total would lead towards spamming units in tier lists to be optimal, or whether time constraints would make that not viable.

I'm also thinking that certain casters - such as Zaal - become CRAAAZY at 75 points...

So what lists would you bring and why? And what list are you scared of seeing?

My "all-rounders" Troll list: EMaddy's DOOMPATROL
Madrak Ironhide, World Ender (*5pts)
* Pyre Troll (5pts)
* Troll Impaler (5pts)
* Dire Troll Bomber (10pts)
* Trollkin Runebearer (2pts)
War Wagon (9pts)
Kriel Warriors (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* 2 Kriel Warrior Caber Thrower (2pts)
* Kriel Warrior Standard Bearer & Piper (2pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 3 Stone Scribes (3pts)
* Krielstone Stone Scribe Elder (1pts)
Pyg Burrowers (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
Trollkin Fennblades (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer (2pts)
Trollkin Long Riders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11pts)
Fell Caller Hero (3pts)
Horthol, Long Rider Hero (5pts)


My personal fear: Immortalspam
Supreme Aptimus Zaal & Kovaas (*5pts)
* Cyclops Brute (5pts)
* Cyclops Savage (5pts)
* Aptimus Marketh (3pts)
Immortals (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Immortals (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Immortals (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Immortals (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Immortals (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Praetorian Karax (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
Ancestral Guardian (3pts)
Ancestral Guardian (3pts)
Ancestral Guardian (3pts)
Extoler Soulward (2pts)
Extoler Soulward (2pts)
Extoler Soulward (2pts)
Extoler Soulward (2pts)
Hakaar the Destroyer (4pts)

What about yours?

[omerplata]

Termy Bane spam? Think how many tough ghostly little bastards he could cram in 75 points. 50 is bad enough, but 75 points of banes would make me cry like a little girl (which happens far too often already).

[PG_petegrrrr]

Don't fear the immortals, fear the Rasheth!

Rasheth
Bronzeback
Bronzeback
Gladiator
Sentry
Cannoneer
Gatorman Max
Gatorman Max
Max Reivers +ua
Bone Grinders min
Agonizer
Agonizer
Taskmaster
Taskmaster

It's silly good against trollbloods, and carnivore is a massive pain in the but to deal with when cycled between gators and beasts, and with agonizers dropping 2 damage off beasts, the potentially spamming the sentry animus for more str reduction, and then rasheth's feat, you can suddenly wind up trying to hit at -6 your usual str.

Mediocre against cryx and construct spam, but it would be sad pandas to fight that with trolls. Good luck getting a sentry out of a control zone at effective armor 27 vs beasts and 25 vs others on feat turn.

As for a trollblood list I would love to run...

If I ever buy a third unit of champs, I'd run:

Borka
Earthborn
EarthBorn
Rok
Max Champs
Max Champs
Max Champs
Champ Hero
Champ Hero
KSB min+elder
stone scribe chronicler
War Wagon

[skurkious]

If they bring infantry spam, I would definitely like a list with Pmadrak, mulg and 3 or 4 axers!

[Robbe]

pMadrak, Rök, Mulg and mass axers!

I would spam Runeshapers with pDoomy:

Faction: Hoarluk - Runes of War
Casters: 1/1
Points: 75/75
Tiers: 4
Hoarluk Doomshaper (*7pts)
* Troll Axer (6pts)
* Troll Impaler (5pts)
* Dire Troll Bomber (10pts)
* Earthborn Dire Troll (10pts)
* Mulg the Ancient (12pts)
* Trollkin Runebearer (2pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 5 Stone Scribes (4pts)
* Krielstone Stone Scribe Elder (1pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Trollkin Runeshapers (Leader and 2 Crew) (3pts)
Janissa Stonetide (3pts)
Troll Whelps (2pts)

[hooligantuesday]

Termy Bane spam? Think how many tough ghostly little bastards he could cram in 75 points. 50 is bad enough, but 75 points of banes would make me cry like a little girl (which happens far too often already).

He can bring as many banes as he likes, he's still got to move them all within the time limit. I'm pretty sure what we can expect to see from the Warmachine players at least (depending on if the rules are worth it)

Standard 50 point list
Collossal
something extra for 5-6 points

[Beckman]

Don't fear the immortals, fear the Rasheth!

Rasheth
Bronzeback
Bronzeback
Gladiator
Sentry
Cannoneer
Gatorman Max
Gatorman Max
Max Reivers +ua
Bone Grinders min
Agonizer
Agonizer
Taskmaster
Taskmaster

It's silly good against trollbloods, and carnivore is a massive pain in the but to deal with when cycled between gators and beasts, and with agonizers dropping 2 damage off beasts, the potentially spamming the sentry animus for more str reduction, and then rasheth's feat, you can suddenly wind up trying to hit at -6 your usual str.

Mediocre against cryx and construct spam, but it would be sad pandas to fight that with trolls. Good luck getting a sentry out of a control zone at effective armor 27 vs beasts and 25 vs others on feat turn.

That does seem silly good, although I think you're thinking of the Cannoneer's animus. The Sentry's animus is Locker. Cannoneer's animus is a 2" Self only animus, so I think you could get around it with creative reach. Now how to get rid of the agonizer, and deal with the -2 STR, that's another question :P

Unless, you mean that you use Locker and force most beasts to come at you straight in order to make the model fall under the Cannoneer's animus.

As for a trollblood list I would love to run...

If I ever buy a third unit of champs, I'd run:

Borka
Earthborn
EarthBorn
Rok
Max Champs
Max Champs
Max Champs
Champ Hero
Champ Hero
KSB min+elder
stone scribe chronicler
War Wagon

No Bomber? But dropping bombs on knocked down guys is so fun.... makes me so happy every time...

He can bring as many banes as he likes, he's still got to move them all within the time limit. I'm pretty sure what we can expect to see from the Warmachine players at least (depending on if the rules are worth it)

Standard 50 point list
Collossal
something extra for 5-6 points

While from a time perspective Colossal make a lot of sense.. The more difficult YOUR turn is, the longer it will take.

If you take a million models that can all kill pretty much anything... you don't have choices.. you have "in charge range" and "out of charge range". So you can just run everyone all the time until you charge. It will only start mattering if the other guy can force that player to make a lot of choices on a model basis. A lot of the time, the Bane Spam lists are hard on the opponent's time also - the opponent has to not eat those charges, which is a significant undertaking when the opponent just presses the 'run forward' button.

Where it really falls apart is when that guy runs into someone who has a couple of units and some anti-infantry. That can eat a lot of clock if the Banes player isn't really good.

[PG_joedj]

Looking above at the redundant units proposed for 75pts reaffirms that I will probably avoid competitive tournament play at that level.
I prefer my armies (and my opponent's) to be more diverse.

Not to mention the grueling effect of playing significantly bigger games and the time allowed/required.

Although...It'd give me an excuse to buy TWO Mountain Kings!!

[Beckman]

Looking above at the redundant units proposed for 75pts reaffirms that I will probably avoid competitive tournament play at that level.
I prefer my armies (and my opponent's) to be more diverse.

Not to mention the grueling effect of playing significantly bigger games and the time allowed/required.

Although...It'd give me an excuse to buy TWO Mountain Kings!!

I think it's far, far too early to tell whether such lists will be popular.

I do like my eMaddy list, but I do dread seeing lots of a unit that I don't like on the other side of the table, because you have more points to play with.

I feel like I like the more points because they let you round out your list a little if you have a generally good caster. EX. eMaddy REALLY HATES Ironflesh, so you take some AOEs. They let me squeeze a Bomber and a War Wagon into a lot of my lists... Which makes Kayazy cry.

The flip side is that some tier lists become silly. Like pDoomshaper.

Play Deathclock. It keeps the games moving.

[PG_petegrrrr]

That does seem silly good, although I think you're thinking of the Cannoneer's animus. The Sentry's animus is Locker. Cannoneer's animus is a 2" Self only animus, so I think you could get around it with creative reach. Now how to get rid of the agonizer, and deal with the -2 STR, that's another question :P

Unless, you mean that you use Locker and force most beasts to come at you straight in order to make the model fall under the Cannoneer's animus.

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Yeah, you hide the cannoneer a little behind and to one side of the sentry, with an agonizer behind them, and then suddenly warbeasts can only attack your sentry, who is an effective armor 25, and if rasheth feats, armor 27

[Beckman]

Yeah, you hide the cannoneer a little behind and to one side of the sentry, with an agonizer behind them, and then suddenly warbeasts can only attack your sentry, who is an effective armor 25, and if rasheth feats, armor 27

QQQQ, I just realized that you have TWO agonizers

It's not going to be an easy game, is it? :P

BOMBER & WARWAGON, GO!

I never said it was a GOOD plan...

[Beckman]

THOSE FOOLS, my new idea at 75:

-1 point beasts with eHoarluk.

Army Name: Ehoarluk Tier
Trollbloods
Theme Force: Unbridled Fury Tier 4
75+6 points, 36 models

Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia +6 points
* Dire Troll Blitzer 8 points
* 2x Dire Troll Bomber 9 points each
* Dire Troll Mauler 8 points
* 2x Earthborn Dire Troll 9 points each
* Mulg the Ancient 11 points
* Runebearer 2 points

3x Troll Whelps 2 points each
Trollkin Scouts 5 points
Trollkin Scouts 5 points

HAH. I get 7 free points to spend on scouts. SO THERE.

I can run Double Bombers, Double Earthborns, and have all the animi I want. Except Rush

Oh well.. I'd still really want to run it... It would be a blast.

[PG_petegrrrr]

QQQQ, I just realized that you have TWO agonizers

It's not going to be an easy game, is it? :P

BOMBER & WARWAGON, GO!

I never said it was a GOOD plan...

My Gators can't be knocked down. Steady on the Job from Taskmaster. And Carnivore means when I kill your beasts you never get any fury from them. MWAA HAA HAAA....

...seriously, it's brutal against hordes.

I played a legion player at 50 points during Kingdom Con, and it completely neutered pThags feat, because all of his beasts were removed from play when killed

Against warmachine, you have to hope for non cryx infantry spam to really make it work, but 2 agonizers running around preventing allocation can be hilarious.

Or, if you get to their caster and put some good damage on them, you arc blood mark onto them and just waddle rasheth around with impunity, knowing that if you ever did any real damage to him, it would get transfered and kill the caster. I did that in an awesome back and forth game against a Cygnar player at Kingdom Con, and it it too was quite funny.

[hooligantuesday]

My Gators can't be knocked down. Steady on the Job from Taskmaster. And Carnivore means when I kill your beasts you never get any fury from them. MWAA HAA HAAA....

Are you sure about that one? Is it part of the actual wording in Carnivore, because i'm pretty sure removed from play doesn't prevent Reaving

[PG_petegrrrr]

It's that carnivore removes them from play at boxed, which is before reaving happens, which happens during destroyed.

[FearMeMortals]

Is your next list eDoomy's MADDYPATROL?

[Beckman]

My Gators can't be knocked down. Steady on the Job from Taskmaster. And Carnivore means when I kill your beasts you never get any fury from them. MWAA HAA HAAA....

...seriously, it's brutal against hordes.

Seems like it. Although, the War Wagon has ARCING FIRE. MUHUHUAHAHA. (It just keeps getting worse, and worse...)

I still think I'd rather play against that list than 50 immortals with 11 inch threat range + potential Vengance, Last Stand, and Zaal's feat with 60+ models to feed it :-o.

Is your next list eDoomy's MADDYPATROL?

I see what you did there...