Runebearer vs other attachments

[jdripley]

Help me figure out the true value of this model. He's basically worth a fury a turn, or up to 3 fury on a single turn. For a pair of points.

For two points other factions have models that can cast a 3 point spell each turn (cryx, I'm looking at you), or that can extend control area or whatever, or that upkeep a spell for free plus do other awesome stuff....

I find it hard to justify those two points when I look at the green grass in other factions.


I'm not trying to whine or moan, I'm really trying to figure out what makes this guy worth his points!

[PG_LunarSol]

He has tough!

[tallted]

I think this is a model where comparing him across factions really makes him seem bleak. When you look at what he can do in faction though, he makes a lot of sense. He can really help certain casters out by either lightening their fury load (see Jarl) or allowing for the shuffling of a good offensive upkeep (blood fury, wild aggression etc).
He's definitely not for all troll casters though, and not a model you need to get if you are starting out.

[hooligantuesday]

Help me figure out the true value of this model. He's basically worth a fury a turn, or up to 3 fury on a single turn. For a pair of points.

For two points other factions have models that can cast a 3 point spell each turn (cryx, I'm looking at you), or that can extend control area or whatever, or that upkeep a spell for free plus do other awesome stuff....

I find it hard to justify those two points when I look at the green grass in other factions.


I'm not trying to whine or moan, I'm really trying to figure out what makes this guy worth his points!

He isn't, but thats intentional because Privateer decided that because we can't a spell slinger faction we shouldn't have a good Caster attachment for it. Just like how Cryx is a spell slinger faction so they don't have tough weapon master infantry.... oh wait.

[hmk17]

jd, every faction looks at that thing and their stuff pales massively in comparison.. even Wyshnalar wants to be a Skarlock. So with that out of the way... tallted has it right. The Runebearer is solid for our locks that can use him. Is he an auto include for everyone, no.

[razcalking]

I'm usually left with decisions like "Is the Runebearer + Swamp Gobbers worth Janissa in my Jarl list?". Tough call thus far.

[wulfmojo]

I always feel like my Runebearer isn't doing anything useful. Then I take him out of the list and I suddenly miss him. So while he may not compare, I feel he does alright with most of our casters.

[omerplata]

I was actually having this conversation the other day with my local PG. He is a cryx and Skorne player and I was comparing them. Leaving out the skarlock, his argument was that from Skorne he would prefer the runebearer. His reasoning being that Skorne gets marketh, which is comparable to the skarlock, but it is a character attachment. He thinks that this make him less useful for a couple reasons: 1) in large multi-lock games he can only take the one attachment where trolls can take a runebearer per lock, and 2) with character restrictions he can only have one list with the attachment.

Now I do not necessarily agree with his points, it is interesting to see it from another factions perspective. I don't know if other skorne players feel this way but at least one does. Food for thought.

While I do believe trolls got the attachment shaft so to speak, I get great use out of him. Now if only he could smack someone with those giant slabs of stone and not be worthless except as a charge lane blocker later game :P

[Robbe]

Problem is a tough model is worth more points than a model without tough. As a troll the Runebearer has tough so Privateer Press had to decide to make him either weaker as the skarlock or cost 3pts.
I'm playing Calandra a lot and started to play Doomshaper1 and he is really useful. I watch it from the perspective that he fills my Krielstone. Cause in the first turn he can use his once per game ability so the caster can put fury in the stone and harmonic exaltation on the other turns is the single point of fury i'm putting inside the stone.
He is not incredible good for his points, but he isn't too overpriced either

[Havock]

The War Dog is tough...

...And 1 point.

It also doesn't really do anything for anyone until said anyone is in combat or about to be.

[PG_LunarSol]

My earlier annoyed snark aside, the Runebearer is far from terrible, he's just annoying to compare to most other attachments. He basically (almost literally) does two things:

1) He gives our Warlocks an extra Fury to cast spells with. This is actually a pretty big deal, as we have a ton of Fury 5 Warlocks who also have to put up with the constant drain from the Krielstone for some reason (Trolls are a great example of how Focus and Fury are SUPPOSED to balance out...). To us, one Fury means a lot more than factions who think Fury 6 is too low to work with.

2) He fixes order of activation issues with a lot of our Warlocks on feat turn. We have a lot of feats that need to activate at the beginning of the turn to really work and a lot of upkeeps that we really like to toggle. Being able to fling two beasts with eDoomie and have Wild Aggression on both of them is huge, as is being able to get the most out of feat turns on eMadrak and others.

That said, he should be one point and even then could probably make do with another passive ability. He's awfully expensive for a guy without a weapon. That said, overcosted doesn't mean useless and he's a pretty useful addition to a number of our Warlocks in spite of his poor comparison with other faction options.

[PG_Celedor]

Cycling spells like Blood Fury, Wild Aggression, even Quicken can have some tremendous results.

Also freeing up 14 to 20 percent of your warlocks available fury is pretty significant, considering what just 1 fury can accomplish (transfer).

He looks awesome. I added several tiers of rock plateu to really play up the Trollses down from the mountain look.

[JArrow]

Compared to other factions 2p attatchments, he do lack passive booster-ability. I think he is really good whit some (or most) of our casters, but some really do not get any use of him.

[Grim Wingus]

So, all in all, comparing him with other options available, is it safe to call him "The Best In-Faction Troll Warlock Attachment Who Isn't Borka's Keg Carrier"?

[PG_Goldstep]

So, all in all, comparing him with other options available, is it safe to call him "The Best In-Faction Troll Warlock Attachment Who Isn't Borka's Keg Carrier"?

Also the worst.

I think it would be fair to say that some Troll warlocks get quite a bit and some do not really get much.


My example -- Grissel1.
I do sometimes cast a spell or an animus with her, but she doesn't need another fury as much as another axe.
Chronicler's, Whelps, and the many many other choices do more.


But compare that to Callie? Callie never fails to cast. And always needs one more fury. Sometimes a befuddle or a force blow needs cast without putting Callie in danger.
For her, it's all she would ever need from an attachment.

[Robbe]

if the runebearer had spellslave like the skarlock, calandra would be amused