pMadrak + EBDT + Swamp Troll

[Da-Rock]

In trying to fit a Runebearer in my pMadrak brick I had to make adjustments to my 2nd warbeast from an Impaler to a Swamp Troll. Can the standard pMadrak brick hold well with the EBDT and Swamp Troll?

[drachenfels]

i dont know if i would drop the impaler really... the snipe axe throw is really good, and his crit slam can be more useful than the swamps drag (since it cant drag large bases like the cryx reaper)

[tallted]

I love my swamp troll. His animus adds nicely go a brick, however he mkes the chronicler slightly redundant (two ways to grant concealement). However he also adds a melee debuff. Crit consume is fun, especially when it crits on menoths book.

[Da-Rock]

So I guess the question really is = Swamp Troll + EBDT + Runbearer or Impaler + Mauler + Gobbers or go all light warbeasts

[EvilFuzzyDoom]

How many points is the list?

[Da-Rock]

35pts. I am bouncing around having a single heavy, but the two heavies I like are both 10pts and require me to drop the Runebearer unless I downgrade to a Swamp Troll.

At 50pts its not an issue

[hmk17]

What else is in the list for the brick?

Cause for two heavies + Impaler in a list I'm thinking maybe...

pMadrak
EBDT
Mauler
Impaler
Runebearer

KSB (6 man unit) w/ Stone Scribe Elder
Fell Caller
Chronicler
Janissa
Whelps

[PG_Celedor]

Drop whatever you need to to bring Mulg. He will not disappoint you with pMadrak.

PMad
Mulg
EB
Axer
Runebearer
KSB+UA
Janissa
Champ Hero
Gobbers/Feralgeist

Reach is the key to an amazing feat turn. Mulg at MAT9 with Crusher will make your toes curl.

[PG_thegreatblah]

So I guess the question really is = Swamp Troll + EBDT + Runbearer or Impaler + Mauler + Gobbers or go all light warbeasts

Impaler + Mauler + Gobbers is better for the brick IMO. Rage + Farstrike ( though you can't have em both at the same time) makes Madrak's Axe very deadly and the Rage helps the Impaler hit harder as well. Just keep the beasts in the back so they can countercharge/support untill they are needed in melee.

[Da-Rock]

I was going for the standard Heavy Brick:

Chief Madrak Ironhide
Troll Impaler
Dire Troll Bomber
Krielstone Bearer and 3 Stone Scribes
Krielstone Stone Scribe Elder
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew (Leader and 1 Grunt)
Trollkin Champions (Leader and 4 Grunts)
Skaldi Bonehammer
Janissa Stonetide
Stone Scribe Chronicler
Trollkin Champion Hero

The Bomber/EBDT or any other heavy is hard to fit. One aspect that my play testing saw was that surprisingly a lot of damage came out of boosted blast damage even with the high armor. The Bomber has a good Animus for a Brick.

pMadrak really likes a Runbearer, but at 35pts it becomes tough. If I went Mulg it would be a single Warbeast, (which I have done well before).

[zor]

Mulg+axer is a good time for the beast brick. Then later you can add an impaler or another axer for feat turn happiness.

[Da-Rock]

If the core of my Brick is the Champions ans solos + UA then in others experience is a single heavy beatstick best, single range combo heavy like Bomber good or go all light warbeasts and add to the defense and capabilities of infantry?

[Loki77515]

I love my swamp troll. His animus adds nicely go a brick, however he mkes the chronicler slightly redundant (two ways to grant concealement).

This sentence makes it sound like you are either under the impression that the Chronicler can affect individual models (he can only affect units) or that Swarm can be cast on other models (it has a RNG of SELF).

[zor]

On the top of the Swamp Troll...I don't think he does that much to benefit the brick really. I would rather find a point somewhere and get a pyre/impaler. But a drag at the right time in the right place can hurt things pretty well and change the game.

[Da-Rock]

On more play testing I am finding that the Runebearer's best contribution is the 1st turn, once a game casting of Surefoot and then dumping 5 Fury on the Stonebearer. I find that I have enough Fury from then on as pMadrak really only upkeeps Surefoot and boosts attack or damage with an occasional need for Carnage.

I may be able to drop the Runebearer. So now I ask = "In pMadrak Brick, is a major Beatstick best or things ranged like Bomber and Impaler?"

[zor]

It depends on what the list you are taking already has in it... If you have a strong anti-range component (champs+janissa for example) and high armor you may be able to just do the standard melee brick Mulg+axer+champs+janissa, add solos etc. to taste. If you are playing pMadrak more as an infantry machine I may look more at anti-infantry choices to help your infantry get the upper hand (bomber/impaler), but at the same time Rok(kind of)/Mulg/Axers are all very good with his feat.

[Da-Rock]

Hmmm, good points......The league I am building this for is all Caster kill and no scenario so I guess I really do not need to worry about a flanking force for holding an area and I will face a good amount of Menoth infantry and both Man O War + Karchev Khador and Winterguard Death Star. Mulg can handle Karchev and Man O Wars, but the Bomber can handle all Troops and Winterguard better.

Its a tough one.

[Beckman]

Just an aside - I am confused, "Swamp Troll + EBDT + Runbearer or Impaler + Mauler + Gobbers"
Swampy (4) + EBDT (10) + Runebearer (2) = 16
Impaler (5) + Mauler (9) + Swamp Gobbers (1) = 15

The Runebearer could be in either combination of beasts for 16 points... I would think I would want the bearer in the list rather than a random cloud effect, but that's up to you.

[Digestive]

Has anyone tried a Rök+Axer-spam with pMaddy?

[PG_thegreatblah]

I like the Runebearer and the 'Random cloud effect' with my pMadrak brick So I'd probably try to fit them both in if I could. Impaler > Swamp in a pMadrak list in my opinion. If you can't fit a heavy in don't fret it, just put in an additional light beast and use them for support in the back until they are needed in melee. Light beasts hide behind medium based infantry very very well.

[Beckman]

I like the Runebearer and the 'Random cloud effect' with my pMadrak brick So I'd probably try to fit them both in if I could. Impaler > Swamp in a pMadrak list in my opinion. If you can't fit a heavy in don't fret it, just put in an additional light beast and use them for support in the back until they are needed in melee. Light beasts hide behind medium based infantry very very well.

Is this with, or without Janissa? If she's in the list, I think you can skip the cloud. If he's running... let's say min Champs+Skadi behind a wall, then that's good. Otherwise, I guess Gobbers would be good...

I dislike playing pMaddy, you should probably disregard me in this case :P

[PG_thegreatblah]

Is this with, or without Janissa? If she's in the list, I think you can skip the cloud. If he's running... let's say min Champs+Skadi behind a wall, then that's good. Otherwise, I guess Gobbers would be good...

I dislike playing pMaddy, you should probably disregard me in this case :P

I play the pMadrak brick a lot and I like Janissa, Gobbers and a Runebearer in that order. I feel that bringing the gobber cloud is overlooked as at the very least it helps you take away more angles than the wall can by itself. Plus the could completely block los to most things where the wall just makes you harder to hit. In conjunction they both make your brick very strong. It's the Runebearer that is dispensible because even though it's nice to cast surefoot with him turn 1 to fill up the stone, it's hardly necessary to do so.

[Da-Rock]

I like the Runebearer and the 'Random cloud effect' with my pMadrak brick So I'd probably try to fit them both in if I could. Impaler > Swamp in a pMadrak list in my opinion. If you can't fit a heavy in don't fret it, just put in an additional light beast and use them for support in the back until they are needed in melee. Light beasts hide behind medium based infantry very very well.

That brings me back to the original build =

Pyre
Impaler
Bouncer

[Beckman]

I play the pMadrak brick a lot and I like Janissa, Gobbers and a Runebearer in that order. I feel that bringing the gobber cloud is overlooked as at the very least it helps you take away more angles than the wall can by itself. Plus the could completely block los to most things where the wall just makes you harder to hit. In conjunction they both make your brick very strong. It's the Runebearer that is dispensible because even though it's nice to cast surefoot with him turn 1 to fill up the stone, it's hardly necessary to do so.

Hmmm, I'll file this away for when I play pMaddy. It does seem like the cloud would be a good idea for whatever the Wall doesn't cover.