After years of playing that Other game we finaly picked up Warmachine/hordes :)

[Nucflash]

Hello Everyone just wanted to say hello to the comunity on these boards

As the Title says we used to play another game system. But after years of disappointment with slow updates, cheasy market tactics that favor the lates army Books that got released. We finaly decided that enough is enough. We had been looking at Warmachine/hordes since the MK2 Ruleset came out so we decided to pick it up. And I must say that we are very happy with the decision. Not only are the Rules better and more modern, they are hands down more fun to play. Rolling 30+ dices is just a chore and rules scaterd all over the place are just a few of the things that are wrong with our old game.

Priveeter press has hands down the better more updated product and I personly think that more people, that might be stuck playing an old outadate table top game that has grown to big for its own good, should do as we did and just try it out.

I highly recomend Warmachine/hordes, these past few month has been the most fun my gaming group has had in years. No more cheasy latest book is always the best, to lure people into buying more armies. No more rolling one trillion dice per game. Better balance, more clear rules, More ways to effect your play. More skills and less LUCK!!!

Thank you Priveeter press for making this game . Hope more old fools come to their senses and start giving you their money instead of those Union Jack Blood suckers...

[phillipsjr4]

Oh gosh, I feel bad that you played it for so long. Then I remember I did too! Coming TO WM/H is like breathing fresh air after being trapped inside a terrible coalmine for years.

[CHUD]

Welcome aboard!!! I'm sure the large white fuzzy guy is around here somewhere with a cookie & a plushie. =)

[PPS_Simon]

Hi Nucflash,

Thanks for the kinds words and welcome to the WARMACHINE community!

[The_Bionic_Labrat]

welcome to the iron kingdoms guys!

[tallted]

Is that the royal "we" or do you speak for others? What faction(s) did you decide on?

[Tanglethorn]

I fart in the general direction of the letters G and W!

[WarpedWolf]

My own situation is somewhat similar. I split the starter box for The Other Game with a friend of mine. (My wife encouraged this.) So I start painting and realized how much time, money and patience was involved in building that army. My enthusiasm quickly waned...

Then one day I'm hanging out at my FLGS, and some guys were playing Hordes. I sat down to watch, then played a game with borrowed minis. I found the rules much quicker and easier to grasp. Combat is fast and brutal, not a formalized dance. Plus I like the minis better.

Incidentally, I'm playing Circle of Orboros, the same faction whose minis I borrowed that first game.

[Murkhadh]

My own situation is somewhat similar. I split the starter box for The Other Game with a friend of mine. (My wife encouraged this.) So I start painting and realized how much time, money and patience was involved in building that army. My enthusiasm quickly waned...

Then one day I'm hanging out at my FLGS, and some guys were playing Hordes. I sat down to watch, then played a game with borrowed minis. I found the rules much quicker and easier to grasp. Combat is fast and brutal, not a formalized dance. Plus I like the minis better.

Incidentally, I'm playing Circle of Orboros, the same faction whose minis I borrowed that first game.

And you don't "have" to paint anything to play.

[Bishop84]

Ah yes, I remember the other game. Those were interesting days, but I do not miss them. Welcome to the light!

[Tanglethorn]

I'm trying not to bash that other game. Its just that I played it for so long and the company treats its base so badly. Add to the fact you need all those models and the price on there stuff is insane.

Ever since I came back to MK2 Ive never looked back. Im very happy with the game. I just wish more people would play it at our LGS. Seems like we have 2 players that are regulars and and a couple that show up once in a great while.

[PG_Stevo]

I played "that other game" from 1988 until late 2008. I started playing Warmachine about a year to six months before Hordes debuted. For a while I enjoyed both games, but when "that other game" went into its current edition, I checked out.

I'm very thankful for Games Workshop. Not only did they introduce me to wargaming and the hobby that goes hand in hand with it, they fired my imagination. Without their efforts, games like Warmachine and Hordes would have had a much more difficult road ahead of them.

When I finally switched over fully to Warmachine and Hordes, I never felt any regret. I've found that building and painting models for Warmachine and Hordes gives me a much more enhanced sense of closure by knowing that I won't have to go back and remove a weapon or that maybe the model won't be legal in the future.

Then MK II came out, preceded by a lengthy Field Test, something that was unprecedented in the miniatures game field. It was really cool to have been able to participate and offer feedback for a game that is so much fun to play. The Field Test sealed it for me. That Privateer Press was that eager to have its players participate, that they valued our opinions, for better or worse, spoke volumes about the character of the company and the dedication that Privateer Press has to making a good game.

[Tanglethorn]

Not mention you can actually ask a rules question in the forums and get an official response!

[PG_seraphsong]

Welcome to the game! I hope you enjoy your stay. I have been hanging around or a while. Don't be fooled, it's not a cheaper hobby, you just end up with more factions.

If you start hitting the convention scene, we should catch a game...

[Monly]

I'm trying not to bash that other game. Its just that I played it for so long and the company treats its base so badly. Add to the fact you need all those models and the price on there stuff is insane.

Ever since I came back to MK2 Ive never looked back. Im very happy with the game. I just wish more people would play it at our LGS. Seems like we have 2 players that are regulars and and a couple that show up once in a great while.

God I hate it when people say "That other game". Not bashing you Tanglethorn, just in general, everyone says it. People you can say Warhammer. You say that GW prices are insane? Privateer Press models are also. Even repackages get more expensive than to buy them separately, there are some exceptions. Warhammer(Fantasy) is a great and fun game and I love it so much. But I got to the point that it was too much for me to paint and then the Colossal video hit youtube and I decided to sell everything I had from Warhammer and convert to Warmachine and Hordes. I sold all my 9 Warhammer Fantasy Armies and got 4 Armies for me and my brother to start playing, I even preordered some Colossi. Still Warhammer got me in to the Hobby and in to Warmachine and I have to thank Games Workshop for that.

[RayofPaintStudios]

I never played any GW games, but I hear nothing but terrible things about the company (not to mention the game itself). Privateer Press has created a fantastic game for my first wargame, and I'm in love with the hobby. After hearing horror stories from my group, I just can't imagine sticking with a company whose tactics book seems to boil down to "Exploit our players. They'll know it and won't do a thing about it."

Welcome to the Iron Kingdoms, and I hope your group has many more happy memories in the years to come!

[profparm]

I've been playing GW games off and on since 1995. I've only got a few games in with this rules system, and I already like it a lot more.

I still like the GW games to a point, but the problem is that the company doesn't want to acknowledge that the game is competitive and that some people play to win, so they can freely ignore consistent rulings across different armies, game balance, avoiding power creep, etc. There is still nothing in War Machine that I love as much as the feel of Orcs (or Orks, if you're in the future). That said, it's an army that sells so well on feel alone that they haven't had to make it powerful to sell models, and so the armies tend to get little love, even when they're the new hotness. I own Khador, and, when I branch in to Hordes, I may pick up Gatormen to get my humorous big tough green army fix, but either way, I've seen a lot more balance in this game. Not to mention that, with the speed of play, if I bring a rock army and my opponent brings a paper army, I'm only losing for half an hour before we change lists and try again.

[Tielc]

I think a lot of people came to Warmahordes from GW. I give them a lot of credit for having great models, and in general a fun experience. If it wasn't for GW, I probably wouldn't be playing Warmachine. But like so many others I wait somewhere in the ballpark of 5+ years for anything new to add to my army of choice, Dark Angels. And Heaven forbid you play a xenos army. That's the thing that draws me to PP, is the newness of every release for everyone, regardless of faction. I'm a compulsive buyer and feeding me new and pretty stuff on such a frequent basis is key to emptying my wallet. Now if only I had a mobile app to drop my money at......

[PPS_Simon]

Just a general note that I perhaps should have said earlier but, please don't bash other games on our forums.

[HRM]

I think it's a very rare tabletop gamer that didn't start out with Gee-Dub. 40K is STILL the easiest game to find an opponent for.

[Chip]

I still don't know what this forum has against Wargods of Aegyptus...

[RidetheLightning]

Just a general note that I perhaps should have said earlier but, please don't bash other games on our forums.

Awesome PPS_Simon! As an employee of my FLGS, it's all too often I hear "my game is better than your's..." and it's not better, just DIFFERENT.

I've had experience with many miniatures games out there and the big reason I love Warmachine/Hordes is because how easy it is to manage! Maybe it puts my player status in a bad light, but HUGE army games aren't my thing. WarmaHordes (our nickname around here) is the tactical strike force of miniatures! I love the depths I can go in this game when I value every model in my army! If I lose one, I could lose the game! That kind of knife's edge is what I love!!

To the OP: I'm so glad you are enjoying the game! It always is great to hear from the new players!

[Domoto]

Welcome!

No need to bash other games, regardless of everything I'm sure there was fun to be had, in fact I know there was since I have only recently switched (and convinced my gaming group to switch as well, finally) from playing the very system you are talking about . Warmahordes offers a lot of good times, and it's very exciting getting into it. Have a blast and enjoy everything the new system,world,community has to offer!

[Konradexius]

Awesome PPS_Simon! As an employee of my FLGS, it's all too often I hear "my game is better than your's..." and it's not better, just DIFFERENT.

Butbutbut.... It IS Better! Seriously though, I would play 40K *and* Warmachine if I wasn't broke as heck. And as far as I can tell, many new WM players come from the more widely-known GW games, so it's kind of a mutually beneficial cycle.

[TheNoob]

As an ex-employee and player of GW, i whole heartedly agree.....

whether you think the game (WHFB/40k) is better or worse than Warmahordes, there is no question/debate that the companies are worlds apart and one is very much better than the other. I say this as an ex-employee of the one that is worst than the other. The attitude/atmosphere of the one company is vastly worst than the other. It is clear in the way the games are designed, the interaction/communication between the community and the company and the general attitude given through their rules and publications.

I moved from WHFB a year ago and i couldnt be happier with my choice. While im still a noob at this game, im so excited to get into it and learn more that i have never once regreted my decision to sell off my 3 WHFB armies and 1 40k army.

GREAT JOB PP!!!

[PG_Agamemnon]

I happen to be one player that has yet to play any other miniature game. There are a few of us out there but I must admit when people compare the two games it never makes sense to me. It is like comparing Sorry to Chutes and Ladders.

[tallted]

WM/H is also my first and only miniatures game. I looked into fantasy battle at first, but it was a little overwhelming. I didnt know anyone who played, and had just stopped by the local gamestore looking for a new hobby. I went another day and some guys were playing warmachine. They showed me the game and told me the regular nights. I came back the next game night, they showed me how to play and i was hooked. I didnt even buy the rulebook for a few months ( i started few weeks before prime mkII came out) the rules were that easy, and the guys that helpful.

[PG_Pake]

I've found that building and painting models for Warmachine and Hordes gives me a much more enhanced sense of closure by knowing that I won't have to go back and remove a weapon or that maybe the model won't be legal in the future.

That Privateer Press was that eager to have its players participate, that they valued our opinions, for better or worse, spoke volumes about the character of the company and the dedication that Privateer Press has to making a good game.

These are the two most important things I value after 25 years of 40K. In my opinion, if you need six or eight editions of something, you're doing something very wrong and are unable to learn about it.

[Humeriousdiscord]

I know how you feel. I came to Privateer press after becoming very disillusioned with...another company after more than a decade playing their games. Privateer is awesome.
What really sold me on Privateer as a company was when they put out a statement a few years year ago when they raised their prices. They explained this was due to raw materials cost etc..., it wasn't necessary to put this up on their site. I think the company has a lot of integrity. There was no need to do this they have a right to make money as they see fit but I feel Privateer respects their player base and makes a profit off of putting out awesome products and not marketing gimmicks. Just my 2cents but after 6 years playing Warmachine and Hordes I am still excited for new releases. That's why they keep getting my dollars anyway.

[Hansel]

So I bought a Cygnar battlebox in...2007? I was isolated around that time, didn't have friends close to me, and didn't really get into the game, as in the one battlebox game I played with a random game store dude, he crushed me.

Cue 2010. I have a bunch of friends who play 40k, and I'm getting the miniatures itch. Dec. 2010 I buy into a Space Marine army. I play 40k from Dec 2010-March 2011. I sell off my miniatures. Because, really, it's just not a very good game. I'm not trying to bash here: it's a really old game and I think they need to re-design it from the ground up. I did have fun with it, though, just not enough.

The ONE THING that makes NO SENSE to your average joe gamer who's interested in minis games: Some armies have rules that haven't been updated in like 2 editions, some armies were just updated, etc. I don't care if it's a good business model or not: as a gaming model, it really makes no sense to the average person. I tried to wrap my brain around it, and couldn't. I left!

And then I started playing Malifaux, because it was small and looked cool (sold off that Cygnar battlebox to get into Malifaux). It was! It was very cool! I still really like Malifaux, but I wasn't really feeling certain people in the community at my FLGS, if you know what I mean. I slowly stopped coming.

Then, a friend I met through roleplaying mentioned that he played Warmachine. For some reason, that was all it took. I was buying models like a week later (this is a month and a half ago), and I've been having a blast. The local community seems really cool, too.

Thanks Privateer!

[profparm]

It is like comparing Sorry to Chutes and Ladders.

Chutes and Ladders sucks. Sorry FTW.

[Hansel]

Chutes and Ladders sucks. Sorry FTW.

They...both suck? That's why we play Warmachine & Hordes, right?

[ShoX]

First time I played tabletops, 18ish years ago, we played Battletech. Didn't touch WH, even though it looked cool, because of the price tag and seeing people roll three fists full of dice, which is sort of unnecessary. Nobody should ever need more than 2d6 for randomization.
Now, after not having played tabletops in a decade, I was hooked on WMH based on 2 simple facts.
The rules are about as complex as Magic the Gathering or Battletech. Which means that they are complex enough to allow you to flex your thinking muscles but don't require you spending a few weeks to read them all.
The other thing is that the model count and the models work really well with each other. You get gorgeous models and you ususally have such a low model count to actually enjoy them looking awesome.
I thought about going WH40k at some point to give it a whirl, but the two points above always made me reconsider. So thanks, PP, good job. (and gief me my circle colossus nau... )

[PG_Asa]

I am amused that a simple welcome thread spawned a therapy session for abused gamers. Personally I LOVE GW models, I tried to play a game or 2 and totally lost interest. I own 4 pretty big WMH armies and find something new every game. I can play exactly the game I want, even building the perfect list for my mood.
Just hurry up and come out w Warroom already and keep taking my money!

[Kuwanger23]

GW makes some beautiful sculpts. I will hand them the modeling aspect of the hobby hands down. But game wise PP is amazing. And their models are still awesome so it's not like you are playing with bad models and good rules. I rather play with good models and great rules than amazing models and ify rules. I still collect some GW models. I can't wait for them to some day make a plastic sister kit. But the reason I choose warmachine/Hordes in general over other table top games is as follows:

Less luck more skill
Less dice, you make your odds most of the time
less models in general
easier to start playing cost wise (not saying you won't take a second mortgage out eventually
One model changes how your army plays
different factions all have unique different styles
Steam punk and monsters are amazing
the game is meant to be able to be played competitively
Balance...pure balance. Almost as close as one can get when making a game with so many variables.

[Steam Pants]

And you don't "have" to paint anything to play.

But you really should

Please help make the battle fields of Western Immoren a prettier place.

[Murkhadh]

But you really should

Please help make the battle fields of Western Immoren a prettier place.

No you really don't have to. Thats a key distinction between this game and the other one and one of the bigger reasons its become so popular. There is a large group of players who HATE painting and this is okay.


Different people enjoy different parts of the hobby. Some rarely if ever play, they just enjoy painting. Others HATE painting but love to play. Its not right to tell anyone they "should paint" anymore than it is to tell those who just like to paint that they "should" play.

[Skylifter]

GW makes some beautiful sculpts. I will hand them the modeling aspect of the hobby hands down. But game wise PP is amazing. And their models are still awesome so it's not like you are playing with bad models and good rules. I rather play with good models and great rules than amazing models and ify rules. I still collect some GW models. I can't wait for them to some day make a plastic sister kit. But the reason I choose warmachine/Hordes in general over other table top games is as follows:

Less luck more skill
Less dice, you make your odds most of the time
less models in general
easier to start playing cost wise (not saying you won't take a second mortgage out eventually
One model changes how your army plays
different factions all have unique different styles
Steam punk and monsters are amazing
the game is meant to be able to be played competitively
Balance...pure balance. Almost as close as one can get when making a game with so many variables.

I completely agree with this. One thing that made me choose to spend the money on the WM starter box was that you can actually play at very small levels and it will still be tactically challenging.

I have to say though, while the craftsmanship of GW models may still be higher (which probably just comes down to how much money they can pour into it, I think), some of PP's models just have a lot more style and personality. Also, PP make actually individual models. GW's lines are designed with such a complete CI for each faction that they look so similar in style they quickly become boring. Look at any two GW models from the same army, and you'll likely know that they are from the same army. There are a few notable exceptions, but those are few and far between.

And while PP factions do have a design baseline, there is still a lot more variation within them, imo, and some models are just completely different. Look at a Khador Man-o-War, then look at a Manhunter. Unless you know, you won't think they are from the same line of models. And I like that a lot.

No you really don't have to. Thats a key distinction between this game and the other one and one of the bigger reasons its become so popular. There is a large group of players who HATE painting and this is okay.


Different people enjoy different parts of the hobby. Some rarely if ever play, they just enjoy painting. Others HATE painting but love to play. Its not right to tell anyone they "should paint" anymore than it is to tell those who just like to paint that they "should" play.

I love to paint, and I love to play, and while I really like to see beautifully painted models on the tabletop, restricting myself and my opponent's to playing with painted models only would be limiting our enjoyment of that part of the hobby. I do strive to paint everything I want to bring to the table, but alas, that isn't going to happen anytime soon. And being impatient to get stuff painted doesn't really improve the quality, either, because for some things, you just simply need patience.

[Not So Feral]

Again, ex-GW staff member here, and I do still play 40k. I took a few years out, but I loves my Space Wolves so much. But the recent edition of WHFB has just left me angry. The models still make me drool though, and the fiction coming out of there has been awesome. It's a good base, and widespread enough to get young people into Wargaming, and then they can find other avenues and move on to other games.

As for starting, well I got into Gaming via the D&D red box in my early teens, and found GW from there so they don't get to take the credit for starting my geekery I will throw more Ire at WotC than I ever will GW (but not on this thread)

Having only been collecting Hordes for a year, I'd say the games are both good, and what you play depends on what you want from the game, and perhaps I just had a decent group when I played 40k back in the day, because I have a lot of fond gaming memories of it.

[Not So Feral]

RE: Unpainted armies,

I live near warhammer world, you will see a lot of people playing with unpainted/basecoated GW models there, it's not such a thing anymore as it used to be, and a lot of that on the GW side did come down to the view of one figure painter who eventually left, and I beleive still holds that view that only painted models should be used.

Painted is nicer, but not always feasable.