Runeshaper casting an Animus?

[Lucius]

So in my last game it was more effective for me to use the Runeshaper to cast the maulers animus for his once per game action.. is this legal?

Our understanding was that all animi's were considered part of the casters spell list... Are we correct?

Thanks for your help.

[razcalking]

Runebearer, you mean? Yup, he can cast an Animus.

[Goris]

Runebearer, you mean? Yup, he can cast an Animus.

This is not correct. The runebearer can only cast spells from the warlocks card. So no casting animi. He can reduce the cost of them though.

[Lucius]

Razcalking: Err yes Runebearer.

Goris: Where does it say card? Wording for the Runebearer says "cast's one of the warlocks spells"

[Lawso42]

You can not cast animi with the runebearer.

Lawso

[Lucius]

You can not cast animi with the runebearer.

Lawso

Thanks for the reference. The Runebearer and Runeshaper cannot cast animi

[razcalking]

Wow, that makes him even less useful. Seems less appealing the more you know about him and compare him to other faction's attachments. Sorry about the incorrect answer.

[Goris]

Comparing him to the other attachment sis silly. He's good for us. Use him. If you don't want fury efficiency and can't fit 2 points, don't.

[Digestive]

Comparing him to the other attachment sis silly. He's good for us. Use him. If you don't want fury efficiency and can't fit 2 points, don't.

While I deep down know that this is true, sometimes I still can't help and think why do we not get a real Skarlock, we havent even got the spells to make him that dangerous. Why doesn't eDoomy come with a 'Beast-chassis'? Why is 'Wild Agression' only half as good as Unearthly Rage? And so on. But after a little while I get up again, eat some tasty, crunchy 'Jacks and move on :-)

[Beckman]

While I deep down know that this is true, sometimes I still can't help and think why do we not get a real Skarlock, we havent even got the spells to make him that dangerous. Why doesn't eDoomy come with a 'Beast-chassis'? Why is 'Wild Agression' only half as good as Unearthly Rage? And so on. But after a little while I get up again, eat some tasty, crunchy 'Jacks and move on :-)

I play Trolls, and I'm only trying to be fair here... But if you cast RAGE (for free with eHoarluk) on a Mauler with 5 FURY, that's 7 P+S19 attacks and a likely chain attack at some point, or 7 P+S 22 attacks with Mulg and Rage (with affinity), plus a P+S20.

Since you don't ONLY have a couple focus to allocate after casting Wild Aggression, you can power your beasts the same as any other turn.

"Wild Aggression" IS the same as "Iron Aggression". There's also no equivalent to Goad on Karchev's Jacks.

Unearthly Rage is just flat out too good with being able to buy or have 7-8 attacks per heavy beast. The focus mechanic limits how many jacks can be awesome with Karchev, which makes it more fair than it would be in Hordes...

[PG_Steampunk Jim]

While I deep down know that this is true, sometimes I still can't help and think why do we not get a real Skarlock, we havent even got the spells to make him that dangerous. Why doesn't eDoomy come with a 'Beast-chassis'? Why is 'Wild Agression' only half as good as Unearthly Rage? And so on. But after a little while I get up again, eat some tasty, crunchy 'Jacks and move on :-)

Maybe it's because unearthly rage would be insanely broken on any hordes caster. Unearthly rage is only reasonable because Karchev can only hand out minimal focus if he wants to cast it. If you could cast it and then have all your fury 5 dire trolls go nuts, it would be over the top. And besides, Wild/Iron aggression is an amazing spell regardless.


Also, people are too entitled about the runebearer. Harmonious Exaltation is stupendous. The free once per game spell is just gravy. Being able to hand out one more fury worth of spells/animi is worth the two points to me every single time. There's very few of our warlocks that I wouldn't take him with. Sure, he's no Squire, but that's because the Squire shouldn't exist.

[PG_LunarSol]

Wild Aggression with Fury is so, so much better than Unearthly Rage with Focus its absurd. I run both casters with some regularity and I usually get more free boosts out of Wild Aggression than I get out of Unearthly Rage just upkeeping it on one beast. If I hot swap it vastly, vastly outperforms.

[Beckman]

Wild Aggression with Fury is so, so much better than Unearthly Rage with Focus its absurd. I run both casters with some regularity and I usually get more free boosts out of Wild Aggression than I get out of Unearthly Rage just upkeeping it on one beast. If I hot swap it vastly, vastly outperforms.

It's not that Unearthly Rage is bad... it's that Wild Aggression is bonkers with 7-8 attacks.

[PG_LunarSol]

It's not that Unearthly Rage is bad... it's that Wild Aggression is bonkers with 7-8 attacks.

I just got my first "Rok eats an entire unit without ever getting to use his second initial attack". It's fun to see just how bonkers Wild Aggression can get.

[ryanbo724]

I personally LOVE the Runebearer. I do have one problem with him and what I have seen out of our casters lately.

While Gunnbjorn has grown on me and I really really like Jarl, both of them are VERY fury heavy. So is eGrissel to a point - 5 fury just for Dash and Inhospitable Ground - then ROF 3. What I have seen is that the casters we are getting almost HAVE to take a Runebearer in order to get any sort of fury efficiency, and most of the time they are hurting for transfers even with the Runebearer.

While, for instance, the Runebearer really helps casters that were built prior to the Runebearers creation - Madrak's, had enough fury to do what you needed to do most of the time. Grim, Calandra, pGrissel, both Doomy's - same thing. I don't NEED to take a Runbearer with them, but I can if I want that one more fury - but I feel that most times with those casters, it is leaving me with 2 transfers instead of 1 most of the time (2 re-rolls in Calandra's case) instead of making it so they function well - like I do with Gunny and Jarl.

[PG_joedj]

Runebearer cannot cast an animus.
He can get close though by casting Snipe on a War Wagon (instead of getting Farstrike from the Impaler).
A couple other warlock spells are similar to animi enough to be good substitutes...

[The Happy Anarchist]

Maybe it's because unearthly rage would be insanely broken on any hordes caster. Unearthly rage is only reasonable because Karchev can only hand out minimal focus if he wants to cast it. If you could cast it and then have all your fury 5 dire trolls go nuts, it would be over the top. And besides, Wild/Iron aggression is an amazing spell regardless.


Also, people are too entitled about the runebearer. Harmonious Exaltation is stupendous. The free once per game spell is just gravy. Being able to hand out one more fury worth of spells/animi is worth the two points to me every single time. There's very few of our warlocks that I wouldn't take him with. Sure, he's no Squire, but that's because the Squire shouldn't exist.

It is also no Succubus, Marketh, Skarlock. Might be about as good as Sylas.

The main issue is that the really good attachments (or attachment like things) actually give anywhere from 1-3 or more free fury every turn. Ours gives 1 every turn and once per turn can do the Skarlok thing.

It isn't bad, but it isn't really great either. It likely would be better as a Skarlok overall - but what can you do?

[PG_Celedor]

I think playstyle really factors in here. I like to do a lot with my warlock's fury, and the Runebearer makes a huuuge difference in that regard. Also, if I'm bringing the KSB, the Runebearer makes filling and topping up the Stone much easier.

[Reuben]

I think the runebearer would still be balanced if it had one extra ability, like control area extension or something. But playing Jarl a lot lately, and boy does the extra Fury come in handy. So yeah, don't worry to much about other factions Warlock attachments. Just focus on whatyou get out of ours.

[PG_Steampunk Jim]

It is also no Succubus, Marketh, Skarlock. Might be about as good as Sylas.

The main issue is that the really good attachments (or attachment like things) actually give anywhere from 1-3 or more free fury every turn. Ours gives 1 every turn and once per turn can do the Skarlok thing.

It isn't bad, but it isn't really great either. It likely would be better as a Skarlok overall - but what can you do?

Well there's probably a reason for that. We would break or have less than stellar use for other attachments. The Succubus would be WAY better with us than with Legion. A free tenacity or a free flaming fists? Not to mention a free upkeep on top of that.

I don't think I'd prefer the Skarlock. There really aren't that many spells I'd want to cast with it. I'd rather have the extra fury to throw out animi. Same problem with the Skarlock. For me, cheaper animi>a free troll spell.

Sylas is an interesting one. I really don't think we'd have much us for Sylas. But does he do as much for other factions as the runebearer does for us? I dunno.

Anyway, cross faction comparison is always iffy. I think the runebearer does absolutely fantastic stuff for us for two points. I love that little Moses wannabe.

[Keeler]

Honestly, yeah - I find him a little lackluster in comparison to most others as they tend to give at least some other minor benefit each turn.

It is still usefull to us, but I feel like all I would have needed to make me more comfortable with it, would have been to give it a melee weapon (even a bad one...). Late game it is nice to have one more axe hanging around, and it just feels a bit tame for a Trollkin not to have any melee ability whatsoever... even the keg bearer can bash something.

I don't care if it would be next to useless anyway, it would just feel more Troll like, plus everyone remembers getting kills with things like Arcanists, Choir members, mechanics etc. it can be fun.