50 point tournament tomorrow!!!!! let's talk casters guys!

[Kuwanger23]

ok, so tomorrow is a big 50 point tournament I am going to. Last two times I saw old witch there, let's hope not again lol. Help me make a few decisions on some casters. For an infantry horde I am torn between pSkarre and Terminus. Both have their pros and cons. Terminus is harder to kill but can't deal with high def. Skarre can deal with high def and hits harder most other casters.

pSkarre (6)
1 Hell diver (3) 0
1 Hell diver (3) 0
1 skarlock 2
1 necrosurgeon 2
1 Gorman 2
1 satyxis captain 2
1 satyxis captain 2
10 black banes ghost raiders 9
10 bane knights 10
10 bane thralls with UA 11
10 satyxis raiders with UA 10

Reinforcements: Either Nightmare, or two stalkers and a siren. Open for suggestions here.

Terminus (4)
1 stalker (4) 0
1 skarlock 2
1 Wrathe 4
1 Madelyn 2
3 WSC 5
1 tartarus 4
10 bane knights 10
6 bile thralls 5
10 black banes 9
6 bane thralls 5
2 bane thrall UA 3
3 scrap thralls

Reinforcements: Don't know. Have thought of any yet. 20 mech thralls? JK

My second caster depends on who I bring here. I might take eDeneghra. I have only played her twice but what is there to know really? And I was thinking eAsphyxious as well. But that doesn't really help if Old witch shows up again does it? At least if it is not a crazy scenario then it won't be a problem.

Ok guys! Go to work on this!

[Admiral_Arzar]

Terminus deals with high-defense infantry fine, because you always take Bile Thralls with Terminus. I would take Terminus personally because he fixes a lot of Cryx's otherwise bad matchups (most of Cygnar, Legion gunlines, etc.) PSkarre is awesome, but she doesn't fill the same niche as Terminus does. For your Terminus list, I would make these changes, as the list is not optimal IMO.

-Stalker
-Blackbanes
-Scrap Thralls
-Bane Knights

+Ripjaw
+10 Mech Thralls
+10 Mech Thralls
+Necrosurgeon
+Necrosurgeon
+Saxon Orrick

Use the remaining 3 points to max out the Bane Thralls. I don't like Bane Knights with Terminus as they don't benefit from Dead Rise (being knocked down makes vengeance useless) and don't have high enough armor to avoid dying to cheap shooters like Nyss and Exemplar Errants. If your stuff is going to die, it might as well come back, thus the Mechanithralls. The Stalker is pretty useless with Terminus, it will never make any headway among the sea of models and he offers it nothing. A Ripjaw provides an arc node which is occasionally useful, vice lock which is occasionally awesome (lol enliven bro), and a powerful armor-piercing attack which is always good, especially with the availability of Dark Shroud and Malediction. At worst, the fact that is is an arc node will often be a distraction for your opponent. Saxon Orrick is there to hand out Pathfinder to your various infantry units, or occasionally snipe a solo or UA. This army will be difficult to manage on a clock unless you have a lot of practice with infantrymachine, but it will also be very difficult for your opponent to deal with unless they have a list tailor-made to slaughter tons of infantry very quickly (it doesn't matter how many dudes they kill if Terminus charges their caster).

If you do want to play eGaspy, you'll have to remove Tartarus from the Terminus army because eGaspy should never be taken without him. However, I would recommend taking Deneghra as your second army if you end up taking Terminus. For reinforcements...full Soulhunters and a set of Scrap Thralls (or a Machine Wraith) would be my advice. Soulhunters are fast enough to get into the action and will gain Incorporeal from Darragh who is already present.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Double Post.

[Kuwanger23]

I love the idea of soul hunters flanking. the reason I had the black banes in there is because they are my first wave. I run them at my enemies single wound infantry and base them and run among the unit locking it down. If they move they die and I get more bodies. If they stay they can't attack unless they have magic attacks. Not too shabby. I tried it out last night against a Skorne player and it was beautiful. Bane knights I find so far don't get shot as much as you would think because there is so much other stuff on the board and they usually are the ones that deploy behind the area of the board that has terrain because they can negate it. But I can see your point on them. Terminus is great against gun lines. but I still don't see how not he himself but his army deals with high def other than bile thralls.

[Kuwanger23]

Ok so here is the break down of list options..............

If I take pSkarre I can take tartarus and WSC in my other lists. So here are the other two list options,

eAsphyxious (6)
2 night wretches (8) 2
10 bane knights 10
10 bane thralls 8
2 Bane thrall UA 3
1 tartarus 4
1 gerlack 3
3 WSC 5
1 siren 2
1 siren 2
6 bile thralls 5
1 pistol wraith 3
1 pistol wraith 3

eDeneghra (6)
2 night wretches 2
1 skarlock 2
1 tartarus 4
10 bane knights 10
10 bane thralls 8
2 Bane UA 3
2 sirens 4
3 WSC 5
2 pistol wraiths 6
3 scraps 1
6 bile thralls 5

I am not sure about the biles and scraps. I was thinking of tossing in Gerlack here as well. Seems he could clean up on feat turn. But those are the two list options if I take pSkarre. Terminus is great vers ranged armies but eats up all my character slots. Well at least the WSC and tartarus. Deneghra does not need tartarus due to her debuffs so I could take her and Terminus but I would lose the WSC in one of those two lists. Ok guys input input input! Let's take home a gold coin again for our fellow Lich Lords!

[Kuwanger23]

Ok one more if I take Skarre.

Scaverous (5)
Death jack (12) 7
Malice 9
2 night wretches 8
Skarlock 2
Tartarus 4
10 bane Thralls 8
2 bane thrall UA 3
3 WSC 5
2 sirens 4

Not sure on the malice jack factory. I have to drop a lot of points to make that combo happen. If I lose malice I can put in Erebus. Or 2 pistol wraiths and something else. Or Wrathe and a pistol wraith and something else. I dunno. His lists always seem small to me.

[Kuwanger23]

It was three tough matches. But in the end it was three successful terminus assassinations. Cryx take the gold. I set terminus on cruise control to victory. Now I sleep. Later I tell story. Zzzzzzzzz