35/35 for Skullsmachine

[Obeisance]

Next tourney is mid July. I got a bunch of time to practice and paint. I haven't really been playing all that much and my skill level is suffering. Boooo. I also dislike 35pts.

So, trying to decide what to take.

I'm thinking either pVayl or eVayl, with pThags. Saeyrn's also an option.

pVayl
- Raek
- Scythean
- Seraph
- Shredder
- Typhon
2 Deathstalkers
Spell Martyr
Shepherd
=35
... Raek may be dead points. Not sure what to take for the 4pts. Maybe a Totem Hunter and an extra Martyr.

Saeyrn
- Angel
- 2 Scytheans
- 2 Shredders
2 Deathstalkers
2 Forsaken
Spell Martyr
=35
... possibly go Angel/Angel/Scythe.

pThags
- Carnivean
- Scythean
- Ravagore
5 Gators
Shepherd
=35
... this list sucks.

I'm also having a problem condensing my eVayl list down to 35 from 50. The only way I can seem to make it work is to drop the Ravagores, but that's total crap. Maybe tier isn't the best way to go at 35.. and I'm having to waste points simply because the tier is so restrictive.

eVayl
- 2 Angels
- Scythean
- Harrier
- Shredder
10 Legionnaires
7 Vessel
2 Spell Martyrs
=35 and Tier 4.

...

All lists will have Raptors and probably a Martyr as reinforcements.

Ideas?

[crazyivan111]

Well, I am a new player so forgive my ignorance. Why are you sporting martyrs at all for either vayl? It seems to me that her oraculus should give you all the arc nodes she could need. Might you drop them from her lists for some extra points to put elsewhere?

[PG_Nemlock]

pThags
- Carnivean
- Scythean
- Ravagore
5 Gators
Shepherd
=35
... this list sucks.

Why? This list has high armor, can withstand shooting while it plods up the field because of that armor, and force the fight closer with it's Ravagore. This list is awesome. I've used it a ton of times to great success.

Your Saeryn list looks a little light on heavies. I understand 1 shredder but not really the 2nd. Is it a blight bringer target?

[Northern Ronin]

Well, I am a new player so forgive my ignorance. Why are you sporting martyrs at all for either vayl? It seems to me that her oraculus should give you all the arc nodes she could need. Might you drop them from her lists for some extra points to put elsewhere?

Not to derail, but it's because the Martyrs offer greater versatility as arc nodes, you don't need to do your move first before using them, so you can use it as a fall back method when you need to, and they have a far greater channeling range (since the Occulius offers +10 to the range at best with E-Vayl, while a Martyr offers +16 to range). That and they can get back strikes, weave around combats and get LoS much easier than a beast will. And some times, you're beasts are just going to be engaged, or there's nothing that can see the targets you want.

As to the lists, they look solid at a glance. I don't think E-Vayl really needs a Harrier, and I'm not solid on her with the Vessel set up, I'd just as soon swap the Legionnaires and Vessel for Striders + UA. I would swap the second Shredder with Saeryn into a Harrier, +1 Speed at no added cost and the ability to fly helps Blight Bringer a lot, though I still prefer the Raek for the job, at 35, sacrifices must be made. I would swap the Scythean for an added Angel as well.

[MeniteTom]

Not to derail, but it's because the Martyrs offer greater versatility as arc nodes, you don't need to do your move first before using them, so you can use it as a fall back method when you need to, and they have a far greater channeling range (since the Occulius offers +10 to the range at best with E-Vayl, while a Martyr offers +16 to range). That and they can get back strikes, weave around combats and get LoS much easier than a beast will. And some times, you're beasts are just going to be engaged, or there's nothing that can see the targets you want.

As to the lists, they look solid at a glance. I don't think E-Vayl really needs a Harrier, and I'm not solid on her with the Vessel set up, I'd just as soon swap the Legionnaires and Vessel for Striders + UA. I would swap the second Shredder with Saeryn into a Harrier, +1 Speed at no added cost and the ability to fly helps Blight Bringer a lot, though I still prefer the Raek for the job, at 35, sacrifices must be made. I would swap the Scythean for an added Angel as well.

The Harrier is in the eVayl list cause he needs 3 flying beasts for the tier bonus. At any rate, the pThag list isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I'd definitely go with the pVayl list; the Raek isn't dead points, its a great way to spread Chiller throughout a unit.

[PG_BloodRath]

I like your vayl1 list and your saeryn list. I also like them together. Lylyth2 is a great complament to both at 35.

I dont think the reak is dead points but you can always add annysa for more flanky flanky. I dont feel the vayl 1 list has enough fury management. I feel you really need a forsaken to grab fury after they charge but before you yo-yo them back. Nothing sucks more than killing every thing in your control area but 4 things and you only get to move vayl an her beast back. Some times it leaves your shepard flapping in the wind.

Just my two blights

[Roadhouse]

For pVayl I'd swap the Raek and the Deathstalkers for Hex Hunters (max or min with Bayal, C&M lets him Shadow Bind a heavy and not get splatted the following turn). You feel the Raek is dead points and the HH can deal with infantry in a much greater volume than the Deathstalkers and make great Chiller targets.

Your Saeryn list is almost identical to mine, trading a Forsaken for another Spell Martyr and Gobbers. Double Scytheans is the way to go at 35 imo.

For pThag try
Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight (*5pts)
* Shredder (2pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
Gatormen Posse (Leader and 4 Grunts) (9pts)

You don't get Spiny Growth, but Tenacity is comparable and can be cast on the Gators. Tenacity+Dirge of Mists+Fog of War means def 16 vs magic/ranged.

[Obeisance]

I'm actually gonna go with something like:

eVayl, Tier 4, Angel, Angel, Ravagore, Harrier, 10 Legionnaires, max Vessel, Shepherd, Hellion.
pThags, Carni, Scythe, Ravagore, 10 Legionnaires, max Vessel, Shepherd.

pThags is getting 3 Raptors and a Spell Martyr in reinforcements.
eVayl is getting.. maybe 6 Hex Hunters and a Harrier. Could take a Seraph.

That's an interesting idea about Tenacity, but I think I prefer Spiny Growth. Effective ARM 22 heavies in melee is pretty solid. Plus, the Vessel is constantly amazing.