My extreme Ghetorix

[Brandubh]

After being inspired by several projects on these forums, I finished my extreme Ghetorix today. Unfortunately, he's not tournament legal, which makes me sad. But such is life. Enjoy!

[Lachlan the Mad]

Caption contest! GO!

[The Junkie]

"I said NO Onions!!!"

[Drzombieface]

What d-bag TO wouldn't allow a model that epic to be played...

[Brandubh]

What d-bag TO wouldn't allow a model that epic to be played...

It's not the TO's fault. He's just doing his job and following the established rule. Privateer Press are the ones who made the rule that a character conversion must include all of the upgrade parts - while also making Ghetorix's head about 1/3 the scale of the extreme warpwolf's. I think the character conversion rules are silly, but obviously I'm biased.

[PG_lord tyrant watt]

The conversion looks great. There are always models that are accepted that break the rules for SR. For example: I have a Brute body that has the Savage head and sword. I use it as a Savage simply because I didnt want two of the same model. It was checked and accepted at Adepticon and I used it all weekend. Most TOs, even at conventions allow good clear-cut conversions, and I would say this is certainly Ghetorix.

I say use it.

[Baxx]

The "official rules" concerning conversions are bullcrap. If another player wouldn't be allowed to play with the Ghetorix here, I'd pack my things and leave in a heartbeat. That's not what miniature gaming is about.

[chrisBatson]

I do not know of a single TO in my area that would not allow that.

[Brandubh]

The conversion looks great.

Thanks!

Most TOs, even at conventions allow good clear-cut conversions, and I would say this is certainly Ghetorix.

I say use it.

I would, but I already asked the TO and he ruled "no". That's his decision, of course and is completely within the rules. I knew going into the conversion that it might be an issue.

[Folha Seca]

I would, but I already asked the TO and he ruled "no". That's his decision, of course and is completely within the rules. I knew going into the conversion that it might be an issue.

Is this guy of german ancestry...?

If not so to me (and I am German - though not so hardpressed on following rules if the need is there to bent them) this decision feels odd!

I mean, your conversion has everything characterizing him as that Ghetorix.

It has a Warpwolf body (coming PP itself), has his Axe in both hands and that silly Tharn head-dress, which none of the other WW has. Following this SR-Rules in such an **** way even metal Feral conversions keeping their own head wouldn't be allowed, leading a little bit the idea of conversion ad absurdum, ain't it so?

[Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]

I would, but I already asked the TO and he ruled "no". That's his decision, of course and is completely within the rules. I knew going into the conversion that it might be an issue.

Some people who lack power or influence in real life find themselves abusing it when they get it. I think the conversion looks great.

[PG_KnightoNi1894]

Looks great. I'd allow it.

Knight

[Gladius]

Some people who lack power or influence in real life find themselves abusing it when they get it. I think the conversion looks great.

So somebody, somewhere near Delaware had a tournament, and decided to follow the rules as written and he's abusing his power? People have lots of reasons for making the decisions at they do, and just because you don't agree with the decision, doesn't automatically make it a sin.

[Brandubh]

Here's the deal, guys: I knew the rules and that the conversion was outside the rules. I decided to convert the model the way I wanted anyway. I asked the TO if the model would be allowed. He ruled according to Privateer Press's rules. I fail to see how that's him being abusive or...erm...German (***?). He's just doing his job and is probably trying to prevent issues at the event. It's no big deal.
Sure, I'm bummed, but that's life.

Now, if people want to continue to blindly accuse the TO of abuse, German descent, or being of follower of Cthulu, I'm going to flag this thread and have mod shut it down. This thread is about my conversion - not the response of a single TO to the model.

If you want to start of discussion about the fairness / unfairness of the SR conversion requirements, do so in the General Forum and do so politely.

[Defenstrator]

This model sums up why the tournament rules kind of suck when it comes to character up grades. This is both an improvement on the original model and a far more epic Ghetorix than the weak conversion offered.

Really, that's a first rate job.

[Temp22]

I agree there is no reason that that conversion should not be legal. It looks great.

[PG_The_Gr8_I]

Here's the deal, guys: I knew the rules and that the conversion was outside the rules. I decided to convert the model the way I wanted anyway. I asked the TO if the model would be allowed. He ruled according to Privateer Press's rules. I fail to see how that's him being abusive or...erm...German (***?). He's just doing his job and is probably trying to prevent issues at the event. It's no big deal.
Sure, I'm bummed, but that's life.

He apparently missed the rule: "At his discretion, an event organizer can make exceptions to these rules to approve any reasonable conversion."

I'd allow it, in fact I made one myself and haven't had a T.O. say that it's not allowed. Now that being said, some T.O.'s aren't as liberal with the rules interpretation.

[PG_ratch]

He apparently missed the rule: "At his discretion, an event organizer can make exceptions to these rules to approve any reasonable conversion."

I'd allow it, in fact I made one myself and haven't had a T.O. say that it's not allowed. Now that being said, some T.O.'s aren't as liberal with the rules interpretation.

^^^ This, Rules or not one of the core rules to conversions is that in the end it is the TOs discretion. mainly, most T.O.'s will look at whether the model would cause confusion.
When you stated that you knew the rules, somehow you missed the part saying its T.O. 's discretion? Has any conversions been accepted in Tournaments there?

Anyways, Great work. i think you can inspire people to purchase the Extreme Warpwolf now... lol

OddBall question, does anyone buy the Extreme Sculpts for that sculpt or is it for some epic looking conversion. because every Extreme Sculpt i see is part of a Conversion...

[Crate123]

OddBall question, does anyone buy the Extreme Sculpts for that sculpt or is it for some epic looking conversion. because every Extreme Sculpt i see is part of a Conversion...

I think many people buy the various extreme sculpts just for their own scuplts alone, just not the feral warpwolf one it looks like a mix between a werewolf and a ballet dancer.

[Brandubh]

Thanks for the positive feedback guys. It's really encouraging. I'm glad it's getting such a good reception.

When you stated that you knew the rules, somehow you missed the part saying its T.O. 's discretion? Has any conversions been accepted in Tournaments there?

No, I knew about the discretion clause, but it's sort of like throwing yourself on the mercy of the court, you know? The conversion breaks the set rules but the set rules allow the TO to make an exception. But that is subjective and the TO might rule in your favor or might not. In this case, not.

Anyways, Great work. i think you can inspire people to purchase the Extreme Warpwolf now... lol

That's be pretty cool. Now what should I do with these two oversized warpwolf hands?

OddBall question, does anyone buy the Extreme Sculpts for that sculpt or is it for some epic looking conversion. because every Extreme Sculpt i see is part of a Conversion...

I originally bought mine to just be a warpwolf. But seeing Ghetorix and the pitiful sculpt they gave him, I figured it'd be better to have a warpwolf which really dominated the table.

I mean, if you're going to drop the money on a centerpiece model like that, wouldn't you want it to be a unique model as well? So it makes sense to use extremes as a FA:C choice because they are so unique.

I've also toyed with the idea of building a whole Khador battlegroup out of only extreme models. I think it would be pretty cool and probably more to scale. But obviously finances and model selection would be a major holdup.

[PG_ratch]

Yeah i would hold off on a Extreme Battlegroup lol... ill be jumping on the Extreme Sculpts eventually. my Beast-09 Conversion is cool and all but honestly, Beast-09 is more epic as an Extreme Sculpt =] Behemoth will probably be made from an extreme eventually as well. i would like to see an Extreme Drago! xD wouldn't be hard since he dual wields the Destroyer's Axe =] the head i think would be a tad difficult. a chain of skulls would be cake lol... Beads and Jewelery chain are cheap lol. i think it would be cool, and simple to do Drago. B-Ivan is too Easy as well. and the Wrecking claw from the kit may actually be better sized for the Extreme Sculpt lol. anyways, enough of my chattering. you should see my Conversion for Beast-09 i did, follow my Sig link =]

[jdeckert]

This looks great! Would you mind sharing how you painted the skulls on the necklace? They look very realistic.

[PG_ratch]

This looks great! Would you mind sharing how you painted the skulls on the necklace? They look very realistic.

P3 has a great color, Jack Bone. its a browned white. i start with a layer of that over maybe a white prime or base coat. do a Brown wash and that should get some easy and good results.
If i had a pic i did some Bane Thralls for Commission and used the Jack Bone, with Necrotic Green in the Eyes then a Necrotic Green wash that i brushed off after a little time so the green would not drip down and stain. lastly i applied a very light black wash to bring out some details. it blended really well with the Green. i may test the black wash then green wash on the last of the 4 i have here.

[Brandubh]

This looks great! Would you mind sharing how you painted the skulls on the necklace? They look very realistic.

Sure. It's Jack Bone base with Morrow White as a highlight and then washed with GW's Delvan Mud.

Here are some WIP shots in case anyone wants to do this as well.

[Wishing]

I think this is an extremely beautiful and inspired conversion. It makes me want to go out and build one just like it.

I also, like others, feel that the TO who disallowed this was following the letter of the rule simply for the sake of following the rule, without concern for common sense. Maybe he had to do this for some reason, it's not our place to judge. But the intent behind the rule is to avoid confusion. For example, some of the character jacks are mainly defined by their heads, like Erebus. If you give Erebus a normal Helljack head, he is very hard to recognise as Erebus and just looks like a normal Helljack. That is why there is a rule that you have to use all the upgrade parts. For this Ghetorix conversion, he very clearly looks like Ghetorix and nothing else, there is no possible confusion as to what he is meant to be. He even uses most of the head, all there is missing is the face. Therefore I would expect any TO to use common sense discretion and allow him.

[Autumn Stone]

Brqndubh,
A) awesome conversion. I mean really that is what this thread is about, and it is amazingly well done
B) great painting.
C) you are an amazing human being accepting that TO decision with the gracious attitude that you have. My hat is off to you. If he/ she were a PG, then most people would have emailed the quartermaster (who if he read this SHOULD comment) with this as it is so completely against the spirit of the hobby we love so much.
D) if he/she is going to play silly buggers with rules as written, use the bits you didn't use in the conversion to weight the base. You then meet all the steamroller requirements.

. All the bits from the Ghetorix blister - check
. Correct weapons in correct hands - check
. Based on the feral body - check
. Recognisable as Ghetorix - check

If life deals you lemons, squeeze them in your opponent's eyes and steal their stuff.

But most importantly, that is one great conversion.

Cheers
A.S

[Circle noob]

Greatly executed conversion. kinda sucks though to try sth. similiar as you set the bar pretty high.
wo cares about that one TO ruled. the next 50 tourneys will be ruled by Ghetoxtreme!!

[Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]

Maybe he had to do this for some reason, it's not our place to judge.

Not to go too Adam Carolla on this thread, but it IS our place to judge. Judging behavior is a great way to send a message that said behavior is wrong. Otherwise, how will the TO know?

Lets not make a hero out of a cop who writes jaywalking tickets, either


BTW, I also want to commend the OP on taking what I personally think is a bad model (the extreme warpwolf) and making it palatable. Putting a weapon in his hands was the correct choice! Now, intead of a skinny, noodley, hulk-smash pose, its a completely laid out, every ounce of energy behind this next chop, pose.

[Azuresun]

Here are some WIP shots in case anyone wants to do this as well.

That's really good! I really want to try it when I pick up Ghetorix, now. It's also a better X-Warpwolf, because it was vaguely waving it's claws at somebody in the original sculpt, but now it looks like a very natural pose for a massive leaping axe swing.

[Wishing]

Not to go too Adam Carolla on this thread, but it IS our place to judge. Judging behavior is a great way to send a message that said behavior is wrong. Otherwise, how will the TO know?

Fair point. What I meant was that we shouldn't judge since we only know one side of the story. The TO may have had a good reason for his decision that we simply are not aware of, since he is not here to explain himself.

[Carrington]

Would it be legal if you put Ghetorix's bloody head on the base? Or replaced the necklace with the Ghetorix head?

Or magnetized the head for a head-swap during the tournament?

[Wishing]

What I like most about this model is the composition and balance. The long-hafted axe just really adds a sense of extra motion and purpose that the original is lacking. The wolf without the axe is hurling himself forward like he just tripped and fell off a cliff, but this Ghetorix is leaping with such extreme force to really put all his weight and momentum into that axe blow.

[Brandubh]

Would it be legal if you put Ghetorix's bloody head on the base? Or replaced the necklace with the Ghetorix head?

That's a possibility, but it seems like "lip service" to the TO. I don't want to compromise the miniature in order to play in one event.

Or magnetized the head for a head-swap during the tournament?

I don't think I can do that. It would require me chopping off the EWW's head, which is pretty big.

What I like most about this model is the composition and balance. The long-hafted axe just really adds a sense of extra motion and purpose that the original is lacking. The wolf without the axe is hurling himself forward like he just tripped and fell off a cliff, but this Ghetorix is leaping with such extreme force to really put all his weight and momentum into that axe blow.

Thanks again for the encouragement. I'm glad you like it.

I should give credit where credit is due, though. PG_Lurch was the first one I saw with this model: http://privateerpressforums.com/show...light=ghetorix

[sovietdancnbear]

That's awesome

[usbprime]

I dunno about the conversion thing. You've got most of the pieces that make ghetorix look like ghetorix, and he represents the model very well.......AND......he's made completely out of PP parts. Yes ultimately the ruling is down to the TO, but in a smaller community, i'd ask all the players or a majority of the players first, and if they're all fine with it, then approach the TO and say "Everyone else is cool with this, how about you?"

In my community i use a completely scratch build warwitch siren (body of an IK sorceress, the IK alexia sword, and eLylyth's head) and nobody in my group complains about it. I own a backup official siren, that i carry around, just in case someone says anything about it.

[Brandubh]

Yes ultimately the ruling is down to the TO, but in a smaller community, i'd ask all the players or a majority of the players first, and if they're all fine with it, then approach the TO and say "Everyone else is cool with this, how about you?"

Honestly, I'm going to bring him (and the Kromac list) anyway and ask again just in case. I'd really like to use him, of course, but I'm not going to make a stink about it (i.e. contacting the quartermaster and such). I'll just show up with my models plus the Kromac / Ghetorix list and ask politely if they would reconsider the ruling. If the answer is still 'no' I'll go forward with my other lists. No biggie.

[baronvonchaos]

Brandubh. You're a very gracious person. I can appreciate that. I have to say that it's still a warpwolf with the Ghetorix upgrade. I still can't see what the gd problem is. Whatever. Fantastic sculpt. I'd play with you and your Ghetorixtreme sculpt any day. (and anything else you mod just to see how awesome it looks! ). Nice work!
　
To weigh in on the vote, that is without a doubt Ghetorix. The axe and head dress makes him unmistakable imo. So for what it's worth...:
+1 for "yes, it is indeed Ghetorix"

[Wishing]

I should give credit where credit is due, though. PG_Lurch was the first one I saw with this model: http://privateerpressforums.com/show...light=ghetorix

Thanks for the link. Even if the other ones were made earlier, yours is definitely the best made and best looking extreme Ghetorix of the bunch so far, in my opinion.

[Wolf Master]

Caption contest! GO!

"ITS BACON!!!!"

BTW, love the model. I hate the normal look for the extreme WW, this just makes it all better.

[xcom]

Looks like the one I started when he first came out.

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...21#post1376721

Sadly, it had a bit of a accident, and haven't had it in me to start all over. I loved the way it came out, but was thinking about how the hell I was going to transport it. It won't fit in my battlefoam bag. So this is on hold until I figure out what I want to do.