New player, eDoomy questions

[LichLordVexing]

I just slapped down some cash on a Trolls army after selling off my piggies. I managed to grab 2x Plastic Heavy Kits and a Rok kit just in case, full Fenns w/ UA, box of Boomhowler & Co. (only min. unit atm), p/eDoomy, Jarl, Stone Scribe Chronicler, and a Warpack (metal one, if it actually arrives at some point this century). I still have no idea which beasts to make from the plastic kits because I've never modded and I'm super afraid of wrecking these models by trying to magnet them like a Trollkin Centipede... ok bad movie reference, I apologize.

Anyway, on to my eDoomy stuffs!

1) Since Hyper Regen works at the start of his activation, can I /wrist him for extra fury on my turn in case I forgot to rile or lost beasts, and then heal on his turn so I basically get free fury?

2) I read a lot about Goad + Mulg/Rok... Since the beasts need to be forced with Goad, how do they manage to clear out lines of infantry? Wouldn't these guys run out of fury to buy attacks before wiping out a unit?

3) Does Primal Shock require LOS from my beast to the other target? I know I need LOS to my beast first, but what about to the enemy from the beast?

OMG I can't wait to wreck some faaaaaaaace!

Edit: Removed my Runebearer question, found the answer.

[eyescrossed]

On #2, it's because they have Reach; it really helps you get into melee range with multiple enemy models.

EDIT: Well, because Mulg has Reach.

[Digestive]

1) Since Hyper Regen works at the start of his activation, can I /wrist him for extra fury on my turn in case I forgot to rile or lost beasts, and then heal on his turn so I basically get free fury?

Yes.

2) I read a lot about Goad + Mulg/Rok... Since the beasts need to be forced with Goad, how do they manage to clear out lines of infantry? Wouldn't these guys run out of fury to buy attacks before wiping out a unit?

Why do you want to wipe out a unit? It is probably more rewarding to chain goad up to the caster. And Mulg has reach as well as his affinity, so when you reach the enemy caster with only one fury left and you have wild aggression on Mulg, you can probably hit the caster twice with a min P+S of 19.

3) Does Primal Shock require LOS from my beast to the other target? I know I need LOS to my beast first, but what about to the enemy from the beast?

I thought it was the other way round. You don't need LOS to the beast but the beast needs LOS to the target. At least it is highly unlikely to not have LOS to your own heavy beasts.

[hooligantuesday]

2) I read a lot about Goad + Mulg/Rok... Since the beasts need to be forced with Goad, how do they manage to clear out lines of infantry? Wouldn't these guys run out of fury to buy attacks before wiping out a unit?

Mulgs reach has been explained, but with Rok you can essentially make a berzerker chain, as the berzerker effect triggers after goad, allowing you to merrily wander your way through anybody silly enough to stand near him, and with Primal and Wild Aggresion up, the chances of Mat 9 auto-boosts not killing every infantry man he touches is fairly slight.

[Saraminss]

3) someone else was asking about this in another thread... Primal Shock is a choose a war beast not target a war beast ... but the war beast is the point of origin of the effect of primal shock though.

[PG_LunarSol]

Yeah, Rok's trick is entirely linked with Berserk. Basically, every time he kills a model, he gets another free attack, so you can kill everything in melee, move a couple inches, kill everything else in melee, right up until you run out of Fury. I've wiped out entire units without ever using his second initial attack.

[LichLordVexing]

So just for a hypothetical, assume I'm facing a Terminus spam list. All of the Cryx models are close enough to each other that I could get in melee range with 2-3 models per Goad. So I charge and kill the first model, kill it, continue Berserking and killing the other 2, then Goad up to 4 more times and take out potentially 8-12 models across the board?

[wargrim]

If every goad brought you into range to 3 models and you spend 1 fury to harge, then yes, you would be able to kill 12 models.

[PG_LunarSol]

Note that Wild Aggression lets you charge for free, so its actually quite easy to Goad 5 times.

[Kamahin]

Just remember, to Goad he has to stay in Doomshapers control area. Its actually very easy to walk out of range if you are not paying attention.

[skurkious]

I didn't think you could use a berserk attack after goading. Don't both say "immediately after killing an enemy model" or something like that? Kind of how you can't snack and beserk?

[PG_Celedor]

I didn't think you could use a berserk attack after goading. Don't both say "immediately after killing an enemy model" or something like that? Kind of how you can't snack and beserk?

They're both immediately after attacking. But you resolve the not attacking another model ability first, so berserk continues after goad movement. I think this may be a big reason why his 2" axe doesn't have Reach.

[Saraminss]

snacking removes the model from play so it never reaches the destroyed stage... that is why you can't snack and beserk...

[PG_Celedor]

snacking removes the model from play so it never reaches the destroyed stage... that is why you can't snack and beserk...

Very useful when you don't want to start chop-chop-choppin' your own models.

[PG_LunarSol]

They're both immediately after attacking. But you resolve the not attacking another model ability first, so berserk continues after goad movement. I think this may be a big reason why his 2" axe doesn't have Reach.

To be specific, when multiple effects are triggered simultaneously, its normally up to the attacker to determine the order that they resolve. The one exception is that any effect that creates additional attacks resolves after any effects that do not, so you HAVE to choose whether or not to Goad before the attack from Berserk.

[Lucius]

To be specific, when multiple effects are triggered simultaneously, its normally up to the attacker to determine the order that they resolve. The one exception is that any effect that creates additional attacks resolves after any effects that do not, so you HAVE to choose whether or not to Goad before the attack from Berserk.

Look in the back of the prime/primal book. There is an order of activation that states the order in which simultaneous actions activates.
Celedor is correct. Goad happens then berserk... technically if everything was in perfect alignment you could get through 12 models in one activation without using his 2nd attack.

[PG_LunarSol]

Look in the back of the prime/primal book. There is an order of activation that states the order in which simultaneous actions activates.
Celedor is correct. Goad happens then berserk... technically if everything was in perfect alignment you could get through 12 models in one activation without using his 2nd attack.

That's what I said. You have to choose whether or not to Goad, then you get the Berserk attack. Thus far my best chain is 10 models without using his ax.

[LichLordVexing]

Do you still get his 2nd initial attack if there are still targets after Goad + Berserk to max fury?

[hooligantuesday]

Do you still get his 2nd initial attack if there are still targets after Goad + Berserk to max fury?

Yes, because you get your second initial without spending fury, so long as you haven't used it you can take a swing at the end of the Goad + Berzerker chain and hopefully grab another target or two for the berzerker chain.