Thagrosh 2.

[PG_BloodRath]

Every time I play Thagrosh the Messiah it makes me want to sing the Monster Mash.

I'm gearing up for a local 35pt, stream roller, death clock tourney next sunday. I'm hoping to set the pace for the rest of the summer. In attempt to break the mold and stray from my comfort zone (vayl2, Saeryn, lylyth2) and try some more fun list.

In the past I always felt that Thagrosh 2 never had enough time to plan/execute a good strategy on feat turn at any thing higher than 25pts. This year our entire metta switched to death clock and my feelings tword him may be changing. In practice games I found most turns went quickly leaving me tons of time on feat turn to plan out proper angels for shredders, typhon, thags. that being said I have found several potential list I am tossing around and I would love your opinions on them.

A few foot notes: I'm going to post each list separately to allow room for notes and future change or alternate list as I tend to post them as i try them.
Also this list will be complamenting my vayl1 list that is also floating around on these boards as I theory machine. Only one will get typhon ( probably thags) so keep this in mind.

Thanks in advance.
Rath

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List 1 standard Big T with second heavy

Army Name: Messiah of Everblight
Legion of Everblight
35+3 points, 13 models

Thagrosh the Messiah +3 points
* Scythean 9 points
* 5x Shredder 2 points each
* Typhon 12 points

Feralgeist 1 point
2 Spell Martyrs 1 point each
2x The Forsaken 2 points each

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Big T school of land sharks now with more verity

Army Name: Messiah of Everblight 2
Legion of Everblight
35+3 points, 16 models

Thagrosh the Messiah +3 points
* Harrier 2 points
* 7x Shredder 2 points each
* 2x Stinger 2 points each
* Typhon 12 points

2 Spell Martyrs 1 point each
2x The Forsaken 2 points each

Additional Rules

Eligible for Dragon's Host, tier 1

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Finally we come to a beat down scythean build ment to mitigate the gaspy2 bane spam some.

Army Name: Messiah of Everblight 2
Legion of Everblight
35+3 points, 12 models

Thagrosh the Messiah +3 points
* Raek 4 points
* 2x Scythean 9 points each
* 6x Shredder 2 points each

2x The Forsaken 2 points each

Additional Rules

Eligible for Dragon's Host, tier 1

[PG_BloodRath]

This is what I'm most likely going to try at the steam roller I have been prepping for sunday.
It doesent have typhon because he will be in my vayl1 list. Before I had typhon I always enjoyed scourging things for the knock down then have the carnivean assault them. Good times

Still dont know which reinforcements I want. Any suggestions?

Army Name: Messiah of Everblight
Legion of Everblight
Tier 1: Dragon's Host
35+3 points, 13 models

Thagrosh the Messiah +3 points
* Carnivean 11 points
* Scythean 9 points
* 6x Shredder 2 points each

2 Spell Martyrs 1 point each
2x The Forsaken 2 points each

Additional Rules

Units and solos with flight gain Advance Deployment.

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This list spotlights a carnivean instead of a scythean. this is what I plan to play next time I play the messiah

Army Name: Messiah of Everblight
Legion of Everblight
35+3 points, 11 models

Thagrosh the Messiah +3 points
* Carnivean 11 points
* 5x Shredder 2 points each
* Typhon 12 points

1 Spell Martyr 1 point
2x The Forsaken 2 points each

Additional Rules

Eligible for Dragon's Host, tier 1

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Almost forgot.

Reinforcements
Shredder
Harrier
Stinger
Spell martyr

[spec.ops]

I see you really like the popcorn theme i.e. lots of lil land sharks.

Personally, I like the last list because it has more of a range element to it; however, I would want to add more ranged beasts.

But, it would take away from the popcorn theme you have in every list.

Currently, you are playing to his strengths of CC...but if you add more ranged bests with sub-par CC abilities you can easily boost them into an on-par level.

Are you willing to buy models you don't have?

[PG_BloodRath]

Lol I own nearly 2 or 3 of every thing in the faction. If I buy any thing it will be archangels

At 50pts im willing to mix it up more. But I think that if your not running a small pack of shredders your not playing thagrosh 2. Manifest destiny is a magic.synergy with rabid. His feat is really underwhelming when played like vayl1 cat and mouse, however that is an option for him. I dont bring much in the way of ranged elements because I am usually engaging deep into enemy lines. This list has 5 sprays in it that ignore target in melee and are used for scourge assassinations or infantry killing.
thanks for the feedback.

[PG_LazyPeon]

I've been playing Thagrosh2 a lot lately (see my thread Popcorn is Fun) as part of a Journeyman League.
I'd like to try all of the above lists, but I have a question about the Spell Martyr - he was recommended to me for Thagrosh2 - but I've never really had him work / do anything.

Where do you position the Martyr wrt the rest of the army?
Is his sole purpose to bounce Scourge through?
Do you target him with the Scourge?

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You run him so close that the distance between the martyr and the target is greater than melee but less than the distance for missed deviation. That way no matter the direction your target gets knocked Down and is primed for assassination. Nextv you attempt to spray the target Down with the carnivean, typhon and thags. Possibly a ravagor or seraph can also add to this assassination threat. You can also use scourge to open shredder lanes

[Ereshkigal]

Do you really think 5 shredders are so better than an extra scythean?

[regleant]

Almost forgot.

Reinforcements
Shredder
Harrier
Stinger
Spell martyr

I unfortunately cannot comment on the list themselves, as I'm just now building up my own Thag2 lists and will steal your ideas. What I can comment on is that I've had a lot of luck with Artillery as my reinforcements. If you have them, try 2 Scather Crew and a Feralgeist. They have the range to be immediately useful when they come in, and are strong enough to make an impact.

[PG_BloodRath]

Do you really think 5 shredders are so better than an extra scythean?

absolutely.
.they have a better threat range and can get places the scythean can't

[PG_BloodRath]

Its ok Reg. I've hit a great Handel on Thags now. Steal away. For the record the list with the carnivean is my favorite

[regleant]

Hey BloodRath, not to derail your thread too much, but what is the 2nd list that you are taking, and how will you decide which to use? I ask, because you mentioned above that you would take the Scythean to handle Bane spam, (and likely Trolls). But then what of the other list? I was a little surprised when you favored the Carnivean, though I totally understand getting 5 Sprays against a KD model.

I was leaning towards Typhon + Scythean as more of an anti-infantry list to handle those Tough models, then fall back on either Saeryn or Absylonia for an anti-heavy list. Saeryns feat allowing a double Alpha strike and Abby with her spell buffs seem to be a great fit, there. Without that distinction, I do like the Carnivean over the Scythean. But when I think about what lists I will face with it, I alter it a bit.

Thoughts?

[Draznar]

Which Carnivean list? The one with or without Typhon?

[hivemind66]

The shredder spam lists with eThags always feel janky to me. I have run it a number of times and enjoy it, it is fun, but manifest destiny is such a killer spell. There are a number of lists I've tried but here is the one I've had the most success with thus far outside the shredder spam. I've aimed to make the list more Attrition based and it seems to do fairly well. I also love the Legos+UA with Dragon's Blood since they are a pain to remove, but removing a heavy for it can be rough. I've swapped out Typhon for the Legos+UA+POT module.

50 Points:
eThagrosh +3
Typhon 12 (Tenacity = DEF 14/ARM 18)
Carnivean 11 (DB + SG = ARM 22)
Ravagore 10 (Ranged threat, Unnatural Aggresion to extend threat range)
Scythean 9 (SG = ARM 20)
Shredder 2 (Tenacity/Transfer Battery)
x2 Shepherds 2 (Fury/Healing/Extended Forcing Range)
Succubus 2 (Free Upkeep, Help Cast Animi)
x2 Deathstalkers 4 (Solo Hunting/Infintry Pressure)
Swamp Gobbers 1 (Helps block LOS to Thags)

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I like saeryn as my anti infantry anti tough. Caster. I typically lean on vayl2 saeryn and lylyth 2 as my second list. And yes the carnivean list with typhon

Thagrosh the Messiah +3 points * Carnivean 11 points * 5x Shredder 2 points each * Typhon 12 points

1 Spell Martyr 1 point 2x The Forsaken 2 points each

Additional Rules

Eligible for Dragon's Host, tier 1

[Ereshkigal]

I run a similar list but with 1 difference. I take 2 shepherd instead of 2 forsakens, and take a succubus.
Btw eThag is my fav caster. In your second list do you run Saeryn with double angelii and scythean? I am trying to have a second list with annyssa but i found difficult to squeeze her in at 35pts mark...

[regleant]

I don't have 5 Shredders, so am looking at:
Thag2
- Scythean
- Typhon
- Shredder x4
- Harrier
Feralgeist
Spell Martyr x2
Forsaken x2

I am debating trading in the Scythean and Harrier for a Carnivean, or the Harrier for a Succubus. I can see the Feralgeist having all sorts of fun popping in and out of warbeasts. And 2 Spell Martyrs are nice because people always try to kill it if there is only 1.

Interestingly, we are using the list for opposite purposes. I don't see how this would fight many heavy-centric lists (3-4 heavies), but I see more opportunity for assassination.

[PG_BloodRath]

I run a similar list but with 1 difference. I take 2 shepherd instead of 2 forsakens, and take a succubus.
Btw eThag is my fav caster. In your second list do you run Saeryn with double angelii and scythean? I am trying to have a second list with annyssa but i found difficult to squeeze her in at 35pts mark...

I do typically run double Angel, double scythean

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I don't have 5 Shredders, so am looking at:
Thag2
- Scythean
- Typhon
- Shredder x4
- Harrier
Feralgeist
Spell Martyr x2
Forsaken x2

I am debating trading in the Scythean and Harrier for a Carnivean, or the Harrier for a Succubus. I can see the Feralgeist having all sorts of fun popping in and out of warbeasts. And 2 Spell Martyrs are nice because people always try to kill it if there is only 1.

Interestingly, we are using the list for opposite purposes. I don't see how this would fight many heavy-centric lists (3-4 heavies), but I see more opportunity for assassination.

Assassination is the goal, attrition is the Game

[regleant]

After two games today against Karchev, I like the list that came out of it:

Thag2
- Carnivean (over the Scythean)
- Typhon
- Shredder x4
Succubus
Feralgeist
Spell Martyr x2
Forsaken


The first game, he used Tow and didn't use Side Arms, so that a Scourge spell knocked down 3 jacks + caster. Hilarious! Typhon was in reach for sprays while he was KD. Next round I was in range to charge Karchev and he died quickly without the feat coming into play.

The 2nd game, he killed both Typhon and Carnivean! But a Forsaken with 5 fury for melee attacks and Thagrosh himself got the caster kill. He is a beast!

I was a bit nervous running only 1 Forsaken, but it worked out well, especially with Thagrosh being Fury-hungry. The Succubus helping spam Spiny Growth was amazing. 3 free fury / turn? Yes please! And for 1 point, I do enjoy the Feralgeist tricks.

The MVP was Manifest Destiny, followed closely by sprays.

I'll get in more practice games tomorrow and hoping for similar results.

[regleant]

On the downside, I was just curb-stomped by Naraash and 4 heavies. There's not much you can do against a Bronzeback, 2 Gladiators, and an Archidon on feat turn. Even spamming Spiny Growth, heavies die quickly. I lost Typhon, Carnivean, and 2 Shredders on his feat turn, which was also the alpha strike. Would definitely need Saeryn for something like that, next time.