Thornwood Finn!

[Dan from Chicago]

Wow, what does he lose? I can't think of anything

... which is a bummer, because it implies he wouldn't be a candidatew for the alternate model then

[sleet01]

What do you mean, "wouldn't be a candidate for the alternate model"? This is the only version of Finn you can use in the league.

Man, that's a whole lot of not very useful rule text on the back of that there card. Guess it would have been too much to see some Joe-style speeches or something?

[VagrantPoet]

The Cygnar upgrades for the jacks are awesome. And the new forgeguard are the business. The league units for Cygnar are a bit lackluster though.

[Sanguinary Dan]

He's an overpriced Murdoch alternative for a single unit. Whoop-de-do.

I do like the upgrades though. Imagine a Centurion bonded to eHaley and with Polarity Wall. A Cygnar heavy with a 13" threat range and 4 focus.

[sleet01]

Yeah. And the Hunter's Reserve Tank is at least a nod to the Mk. I Hunter's once-per-game extra move. I'm not sure where I might use the Cyclone, though, although it could be great in a Sloan list. With Refuge and her feat that's a good amount of extra-high-RAT shooting.

[Dan from Chicago]

What do you mean, "wouldn't be a candidate for the alternate model"? This is the only version of Finn you can use in the league.

I was thinking something along the lines of the Black Dragon Pikeman UA ... which IIRC was a league unit first

[Dan from Chicago]

Man, that's a whole lot of not very useful rule text on the back of that there card. Guess it would have been too much to see some Joe-style speeches or something?

Call me crazy, I kinda think a model which grants Camoflauge to a unit which can generate cover and/or concealment is good synergy. And giving pathfinder on the charge to a unit with Assault? Nah ... could be useful could it

[Chopsworth]

I'm eager to see some Trencher action in the next league. Those doughboys need more use.

[sleet01]

Pathfinder when charging for Assault units is only good if *your* unit is behind a linear obstacle, or if you're facing massive Rough Terrain patches without the forests or obstacles that, in my meta at least, invariably accompany that terrain type. Without Hunter you can't assault through forests due to LOS, and you don't get the benefit without actually charging so you can't give the charge order and then run through terrain. Then there's Camouflage, which is already ignored by all the abilities that invalidate Trenchers' defensive tech anyhow. Maybe this Finn is a great boon for Trollbloods but he's just more of the same for Cygnar; Rhupert and Runewood are strictly better buff pieces.

[Chopsworth]

@Sleet01 Well at least they can charge through all the puddles those gator players have been throwing at ya lately.

[sleet01]

That's a good point, Chopsworth, the deep and shallow water templates are a pain. But I think I'll let my shiny new cavalry have the honors there; they've got the same Assault range and a little bit more melee punch.

[leo_neil316]

Wow, what does he lose? I can't think of anything

... which is a bummer, because it implies he wouldn't be a candidatew for the alternate model then

He switched desperate pace for 'trenchers and sluggersstarting a charge in his command range get pathfinder' and veteran leader trenchers for veteren leader trenchers and sluggers.

So. Lost the only reason to take him to become a worse version of Runewood/Rhupert.

On the plus side. We get crazy killy troll solo.

[leo_neil316]

He's an overpriced Murdoch alternative for a single unit. Whoop-de-do.

I do like the upgrades though. Imagine a Centurion bonded to eHaley and with Polarity Wall. A Cygnar heavy with a 13" threat range and 4 focus.

SPD 4. +2 for bond. +2 for temporal accelleration. +2 for polarity wall. +2 for reach.

So 12 inches. Still pretty sweet.

[Sanguinary Dan]

You forgot 3" for Charging. And I didn't include Temporal Acceleration. So thats 15". Unless I missed something on Polarity Wall against charging?

[Bladestorm]

The polarity wall bonus specifies a full advance, so you can't combine it with a charge.

[Ender101]

I think Finn is 'ok-ish'. That's a lot of text on his card and a lot of abilities which seem impressive but don't really look like they'll offer a heck of a lot once put together.

To be honest I'm much more excited about that troll solo, holy egg laying swans batman, that guy is ludicrious, he's basically slower, though harder hitting Gerlack Slaughterborn!

[Chuck B]

To be honest I'm much more excited about that troll solo, holy egg laying swans batman, that guy is ludicrious, he's basically slower, though harder hitting Gerlack Slaughterborn!

Remember they are FA2 and we have access to Hunters Mark threw that merc Solo. to give them a few more inches of charge range without caster support. Maybe give them each a Bokur for abit more survivability and hiting power. also they could be good bodyguard/countercharge models for a trencher unit.

[leo_neil316]

I think Finn is 'ok-ish'. That's a lot of text on his card and a lot of abilities which seem impressive but don't really look like they'll offer a heck of a lot once put together.

It's the SAME text as before. Just with desperate pace switched for leadership: relentless charge and two instances of trollkin sluggers added in.

So instead of giving trenchers +2 movement. He gives them pathfinder. We can already do that with other, better, solos.

Could be worse though. Legion got boooooned. A pot that can only spawn teraphs, raeks and nagas which have 3 boxes and can't be forced, but can run and charge for free? That's way worse than just spawning stingers (same POW on the charge attacks, but it can force and has poison and is harder to kill!).

[Dan from Chicago]

A couple of thoughts:

1. Synergy is nice even if it's countered by Striders, Nyss, and Errants
2. Leadership is passive: no order of activation issues
3. Leadership is not unit specific: All trenchers in range get it
4. Nothing says you can take Finn AND Runewood and/or Rhupert

yes yes yes ... it's not ZOMG uber-tourney broken, so the forums will hate it

[Chopsworth]

yes yes yes ... it's not ZOMG uber-tourney broken, so the forums will hate it

This sums up all things, ever.

[TsavongLah]

Necro, but question: what do Reserve Tank and Continuous Fire do exactly?