Honestly Ret needs more con players. Great players get to br great by playing their faction in and out. We don't have the numbers yet. And many people have them as a second or third faction. Yeah, we don't have a ton of depth now, but I think Ret will be a pretty hot faction to play soon. Vyre Jack's are turning heads like crazy in my area.
A Vyre light 'jack chassis. Would love to see what they could do.
A resculpt of the original three lights so they don't look like they were supposed to be in a plastic kit.
Interesting to note that the Vyre Jacks are doing for not-RoS people. I wonder why that is?
I wouldn't have said:
Hypnos > Discordia
Banshee > Phoenix
Daemon > Hydra
Sphinx > Manticore
full stop, end of story.
But perhaps it is simply the options and the mixes and matches that can arise. Interesting.
eLyl has Shadow Pack, probably her biggest feature to exploit against us. That spell encourages her to play 'beast heavy so we can't shoot her. Her feat is a killer shooting turn. She's naturally going to have lots of 'beasts that can shoot, and she and her 'beasts all have Eyeless Sight, which ignore Stealth. We can only hide behind obstructions while they can hide from us quite easily. The 'beasts alone outmatch any anti-Stealth we have. They may have some of the best anti-Stealth in the game based on 'beast heavy lists, up there with certain Cygnar lists.
As for the faction balance issue. Like others have said, the crazy OP stuff is out there, regardless of whether PP wants all recent releases to be "balanced". I made a similar analogy in another thread, but it feels like this to me:
• Opponents have access to full-auto machine guns. Has had them for years.
• Gun laws state that no more machine guns will be made, but existing machine guns will not be recalled.
• Our new army is issued hunting rifles and handguns, and opponents from here on will only be restocked with the same.
• We point at the machine guns and say, "we want those." We're told, "you can't have those, it wouldn't be fair and we stopped making them. What did you expect joining the battle so late?"
We do have powerful stuff, but there's always something to balance it. It's not a bad thing, and I don't think we NEED anything crazy, but it would be fun to get something, for sure.
Playing Ret for awile ive really noticed a few things ret really needs here i go as follows.
Med unit of 5 with some heavy armour 8 boxes something like that. Medics would be a really cool feature. i dont know cheap infantry i find besides the pikemen and Mage hunters everything else is really overpriced game wise. Note I dont like the battle Mittins the rules rock for them but im not sold on the models cheers
Why would Ret really needs medium infantery?
The other factions except Skorne rarely uses theirs?
anyssa and the raptors move 9 and can see an additional 5 to shoot stealth, which means they can shoot stealthed things they start from 14 inches away, the deathstalkers do the same from 12 inches away.
the mhsf threat 11 against stealth. The legion models are going to get to attack first in most cases.
Not a "need" per se, but I'd really like another Mage Hunter unit besides the MHSF, probably dealing with melee as opposed to ranged combat. I know the MHSF can do melee, but to be honest why would you? It would give Garryth and Kaelyssa something more "alpha strike" for their lists. I did a little looking, kinda basing of the Narn concept, like the MHSF are based on Eiryss, and came up with this sort of thing.
Melee Mage Hunter Unit
Saber (x2): P: 4 P+S: 9
Combined Melee Attack (maybe)
Acrobatics/Feedback (can't decide maybe both?).
Just wishlisting a bit though, I mean it'd e nice ... not sure if they'd overshadow the Sentinals a bit too much though, but I kinda based them on other factions' fast melee infantry, like the Daughters of the Flame, Satyxis Raiders, Kayazy Assassins etc which some Elfyness.
I would also like to see some melee mage hunters along the lines of what you've posted there. As you say, the real difficulty is setting them apart from Sentinels and Halberdiers.
Also, I'm pretty sure there's 0 chance of PP putting out Acrobatic MAT 7 Arcane Assassin Weapon Masters with CMA and two attacks. About all they're missing is Grievous Wounds, haha. "My unit started within 9/10" of your caster, GG."
Actually, it might be cool if they had Gang (or maybe Prey, to be different than Halbs?) instead of WM, a little higher P+S (10 or 11) and some kind of threat range extender (Prey would function here, actually) instead of Acrobatics (much as I'd like a unit with Acrobatics) - gives them decent damage output (shouldn't overshadow Halbs & Sents) and gives them a role as a fast blitzing/tarpit unit.
I feel like a kayazy Eliminator type unit is more likely than a full unit.
Sharks will be Zul cavalry, everyone knows that
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A Eiryss3 that wasn't a merc would be cool.
After fighting around the world for and against everything, she returns home to dole out all the info she's picked up.
A medium infantry unit (3-5 guys) that sort of was like the artificer in design. Say with some sort of House Shyeel prototype field generators providing the wounds. Give them a field dependent spray attack, force barrier, and say a *action to repair/regen the field. Have their health bars reflect the G for the generator towards the end of their life.
I want a second unit (and maybe a third) anyway for Garryth's tier list and the once a year Unbound game I like to get in.
I too am excited for the next incarnation of Eiryss it seems funny how they announced this per lock and load but I am not complaining. Based on some of Matts answers, it seem she will be attached to units (yes that is plural) that want to be ranged.
In the other threads on the Eiryss3 UA-ness, there's speculation that she won't be ready for the Colossals release (unless of course, this was just another spoiler...). Even if she's not in that book, do you guys think she might see a NQ release like eAlexia? Or am I getting my hopes up too high?
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He says on the blog she and the new Cryx thing will be in the next Warmachine book. I would assume she won't be in Colossals, but regardless this seems a bit more like PP in which even before the upcoming book drops they give out little hints/tidbits of the new book. I am quite excited to see what she can do.
With a July 16 deadline (next to the Cryx character that is due on the fall) we can assume (dangerous I know) that she may appear on October's NQ (since that deadline match with a 3 month gap needed to add something on the magazine).
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But he also mentioned the rules for her are already done he is just doing sketches for the scuplt. I hope she has her hood down and in a commanding pose giving orders.
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Yup, her rules have being set for months (he mentions that Soles graduate her from play test months ago). That means that a July deadline is enough to have art need to preview rules in October NQ and around 6 months to develop the mini and have it ready for December/January (that time line match with a the regular Preview/model used on NQ)
Edit: Considering the idea that Colossal will only have a caster and a Colossal per faction, if they keep their current schedule all factions and mercs should have their Colossal Stuff by November. Again, it fits with a release around December/January.
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I would like to see a low point cost light jack with an awesome gun. Something along the line of a Redeemer/Repenter. Having a few more sprays or AOEs may be a more attainable answer for our stealth problems. Heck, I'd even take something like a Hunter/Charger just for fun.
Early next year sounds possible, I think any earlier is probably going to be stepping on Colossals / Gargantuans feet.