So, i've been branching out into other of our ?less used? casters, and i'm really really trying to like Thyra. I've got her, her unit of daughters, and blood of martyrs all painted up and have played three games with her.
The list was as follows:
blood of martyrs
full idrians + ua
The first was against mercs, the caster was the one that makes his model's guns become AOE 3, and his personal gun deviates like 3 times each shot....so for a list that relies on stealth/high defenses and has low armor, yeah, got pretty squished. Had a line on his caster through BoM, but was out of the initial charge range by a quarter inch, so couldn't start the sidestep chain. What I learned: no way I could have won a scenario in that situation. Had to go for the caster kill but my army was largely dying around me.
The second game was against scorne, don't remember the name of the caster but it's the one with the two large maces. Made one of his beasts (gladiator) idrian's prey, and after a volley of full shots, 2 man cra's, only managed to take out the body of the beast...not the ?heavy killer unit? that I have read on the forums by any means. Maybe if I had charged afterwards, but doesn't seem likely. Lost that game to caster kill, basically I forgot that the gladiator has follow up, and he slammed BoM over thyra, followed up till he was in melee with her, and boosted-beat her down. Sad part is I saw it coming (the slam part, anyway), had no knockdown from the book up, but after the game I thought of about 4 different things I could have done that would have prevented that loss completely (infantry screen between BoM and the titan, gorman cloud screen so titan couldn't see the BoM to slam, thyra cast pursuit on the titan, something else...). So I learned from that game how better to protect. Sad part was if I had survived that turn, I would have won as his caster was within 12? of thyra with not a bit of difficult terrain.
Third game was against the merc player from the first game, he used ashlynn (I think, the one with the feat where you roll extra dice and he gets to pick the ones you use). This was more of a slog, with attrition going left and right, but I lost gorman, eyriss, in short order. He brought a unit of gun mages (again, negates most of my defenses vs ranged). I never really had an assassination opportunity, due to a forest in front of thyra that prevented me from charging through and overtaking to his caster, and the BoM was rather ineffectual (it took out a light jack, only thing all game). After awhile I got bored and just stuck thyra out there, where she was charged by his caster and taken out.
So, needless to say i'm not having much luck. None of these were scenario based, but I never really had a good shot at a win (barring the 2nd game vs hordes, that i'll take as my error). The merc player i've played many times before and win against him, so it's not a difference in skill level. I think part of it is that i'm used to playing harbinger, efeora, psevvy, who have completely different play styles. Granted, efeora can get up there, but I play her defensively. I'm not used to having such an aggressive caster. So I understand that it is a learning curve.
Also, i'm not impressed with the idrians. I think errants would benefit more from the stealth, and have greater staying power (not as bothered by blast damage, self sac, etc), and can reliably threaten troops and heavies (even PS9, weapon master can seriously hurt a light and warbeast, and can put damage on heavy jacks), and are a bigger tool box. Plus, with the change in points, I could add wracks plus either madelyn (extra move), saxon (pathfinder for thyra, but seems reduntand with rhupert), heirophant, other 2 point solo, or add nicia.
Any advice all you might sages can give me? Anyone use her often and have any insight to share? Have I just been against really bad matchups? It's rather frustrating for me at this stage, as I can pretty reliabily pull off a win against most of the people in my LGS, and I really want to like thyra as she seems like she should be a really fun caster, but whenever I play her so far I just run into situations where she doesn't have the tools to do what I need to get done in that particular turn.