Am i weird?

[Aggroculture]

The more an more i read the forums the more i think im the black sheep of this family. The 2 biggest fads are iron flesh and running one warjack. I own one caster with iron flesh (esorscha) and she's not even assembles, although i would like to get the old witch. And as for only running one warjack i cant even run a suprem kommander irusk list with out a second warjack to note that second jack was a beserker. Even with these petpeeves im one of the top 3 in my local mete.

[Leprousy]

I'm fairly certain a lot of people run 2 jacks on here. Certainly at 50 they do. I personally usually run 1 , but I like infantry... I'm thinking about getting pButcher and trying 2.

[hurley895]

hell I use 2 to 3 in 35.

[scout's honor]

If you have to ask, the answer is probably "yes".

That said, being weird is not necessarily a bad thing.

[Auracco]

It's not weird to run 2 warjacks in most list, at 35 points or higher I always run 2 or more warjacks except with EVlad who usually only runs one warjack.

As far as iron flesh casters go, I play ESorscha and PIrusk but I don't play them all that often, we have a lot of solid casters who don't rely on this spell to be competitive.

[jdeckert]

I run 2 jacks pretty frequently. I have a blast with twin devastators and eButcher, I like a spriggan and Drago with pVlad, and pButcher usually gets a pair of devastators, kodiaks, or a devastator and Beast. The other casters I run a lot just get one - eVlad likes Drago and Old Witch gets Behemoth (though she comes with a 'jack, so I guess that's two).

[volt_ron]

I usually run 2 jacks in 35+ point games always, except for pIrusk @ 35pts.

Hell, this past weekend, I played in a 50 point tournament and ran a pButcher list with 4 jacks (2 Kodiaks & 2 Destroyers if you are curious).

[HeadHunter]

At 15 points, I've got better things to do than field a second 'jack, of course. But at 35? I can imagine making an army with 3 (or possibly 4) 'jacks,
I love heavy 'jacks - it's one of the things that drew me to Khador in the first place.

[SuperTheBoss]

IF is really good, I didn't like it until I tried it. I'm assuming that you'll jump on the bandwagon with that once you assemble eSorscha and play with it a few times. Although I still don't love it as much as some people...Anyway, I will almost never run a list without 2 'jacks, and every time I do I regret it. I've tried bringing more than two as well, and I don't think I like that either. I think 2 is just the magic number.

[quindraco]

IF is really good, I didn't like it until I tried it. I'm assuming that you'll jump on the bandwagon with that once you assemble eSorscha and play with it a few times. Although I still don't love it as much as some people...Anyway, I will almost never run a list without 2 'jacks, and every time I do I regret it. I've tried bringing more than two as well, and I don't think I like that either. I think 2 is just the magic number.

I actually started my Khador collection with eSorscha and WGI, but I haven't fielded them in ages.

First of all, they're virtually unplayable in a timed format, because it is too physically time consuming to roll that many dice. I am anxious to try Death Clock, which I still haven't had the opportunity to try, as this should help them have time when they desperately need it.

Secondly, just about every faction has a practical way to murder them regardless. Menoth will field Blessed weapons, or Cygnar will chuck a Mage Storm into them, or the like. As a result, I am totally unwilling to rely on IF - it's just failed me too many times. I am very happy with it as a buff, but I refuse to make a list that can't function properly if it's shut down.

[Col_Festus]

I actually started my Khador collection with eSorscha and WGI, but I haven't fielded them in ages.

First of all, they're virtually unplayable in a timed format, because it is too physically time consuming to roll that many dice. I am anxious to try Death Clock, which I still haven't had the opportunity to try, as this should help them have time when they desperately need it.

Secondly, just about every faction has a practical way to murder them regardless. Menoth will field Blessed weapons, or Cygnar will chuck a Mage Storm into them, or the like. As a result, I am totally unwilling to rely on IF - it's just failed me too many times. I am very happy with it as a buff, but I refuse to make a list that can't function properly if it's shut down.

WGI are ok in Death Clock. It's nice because they act as a deterrent most of the time for zones of the board. They often have 1 big turn of rolling as their sprays railroad people. After that it's straight back to moving. A lot of people actually don't like playing them in Death Clock because the tough rolls can eat up opponents time, especially if they use multiple attacks on the same model and he just keeps passing his tough check. Just time yourself every game with a timer and you'll get pretty quick with them. I usually either do 1 big CRA, or multiple small 2 man CRAs on key targets. Just get your groove down and you'll be fine.

[ScottEBJJ]

I actually started my Khador collection with eSorscha and WGI, but I haven't fielded them in ages.

First of all, they're virtually unplayable in a timed format, because it is too physically time consuming to roll that many dice. I am anxious to try Death Clock, which I still haven't had the opportunity to try, as this should help them have time when they desperately need it.

Secondly, just about every faction has a practical way to murder them regardless. Menoth will field Blessed weapons, or Cygnar will chuck a Mage Storm into them, or the like. As a result, I am totally unwilling to rely on IF - it's just failed me too many times. I am very happy with it as a buff, but I refuse to make a list that can't function properly if it's shut down.

This is completely false. I've played WGI in both Timed Turn and Deathclock format and have never had any issues at all. Just a week ago I played them in a tournament and never even had to use my extension despite having turns of full unit sprays. I probably played a bit over 50 games last year under accelerated time limits with the WGI and I can say I have never had my turn expire needing to make other activations because of the WGI. I can not stress to new players enough how untrue that part of this post is. It does require some practice but it is not so time intensive as to disqualify their use in anyway.

Menoth doesn't have that many Blessed Weapons (Errants) you'd need to worry about and Mage Storm should hit what one maybe two with basic spacing. Yes every factions can bring tools that can kill your WGI, they are not completely untouchable. But at DEF 17, with Tough, with that many bodies they do have a lot of resiliency to all but the most over done infantry removal. There will commonly be many models in your opponents list that just can't touch the WG, so deal with the ones that can.

I really think you are heavily overstating alot of things in your post, Quindraco. If what you were saying was true, especially in regards to the timed format, then WGI would not have ever been the consistent staple they are in Khador.

[Tyr852]

Not weird , just depends on your play style and what jacks you use like. I'd say the popularity of Iron Flesh tends to only leave you with enough points to field 1 jack at at a 35 point game so the 2 coincide

[DoktorVivi]

I'm weird too then, because I feel weird whenever I only take one jack, like I don't have enough armor / high pow attacks, and when that one jack goes down I won't have a backup.

[Shinji]

Ok, I have not played much, or with a varied number of people, but just why are most people fielding only 1 jack?

[quindraco]

Ok, I have not played much, or with a varied number of people, but just why are most people fielding only 1 jack?

Finite amounts of focus to hand out.

[HeadHunter]

Generally, it's because there are better options with any given 'caster and synergy with support units.
As much as I like 'jacks, it seems that when I make an army list, I wind up taking out one of them to make room for something that will perform better in that force.

[Darguth]

The more an more i read the forums the more i think im the black sheep of this family. The 2 biggest fads are iron flesh and running one warjack. I own one caster with iron flesh (esorscha) and she's not even assembles, although i would like to get the old witch. And as for only running one warjack i cant even run a suprem kommander irusk list with out a second warjack to note that second jack was a beserker. Even with these petpeeves im one of the top 3 in my local mete.

I don't think it is the slightest bit weird to play what you like, especially if it works for you. In fact, I'd think you were weird if you were playing something you disliked just because it was "better".

[Taslon]

Am I wierd that I wish bombadiers were FA2?

[Shinji]

The finite amount of focus is true. I love the Devistator's Bombard, but it requires at least 1 focus to boost the attack roll. And boosting the damage is almost required, but on quite.

[HeroZero]

I run one jack on some casters because of limited caster focus. Although I have in the past run 5 jacks under harkevich and karchev. Not very effective but fun to look at. at 35 one is doable two is a stretch focus wise, and im then looking at JM'ing a jack.

[Aggroculture]

The focus limitation is a problem thats a koldun lord's power boost on a kodiak or berserker for a 4th attack the idea being to cripple the other jack instead of destroying to. the other way I try to get around the problem is to use the jack i cant give focus to as a 3 wave keep it in back as a threat, a juggernaut can defend an open devastator just by being close

[SuperTheBoss]

The finite amount of focus is true. I love the Devistator's Bombard, but it requires at least 1 focus to boost the attack roll. And boosting the damage is almost required, but on quite.

Marshalling it to a Koldun Lord takes care of those two things without any strain on your caster, and the KL is a good solo anyway for 2 points.

[HeadHunter]

So here's what I've been wondering: Everyone always mentions focus as the factor that limits us from using multiple 'jacks. But our casters have Focus comparable to most 'casters from other factions. Most of our casters have 7 Focus, with the exception of Sorscha, Harkevich and Butcher at 6 and Karchev at 5.

So the majority of our 'casters have 7 - like the majority of other factions. I've only seen a couple of 8's anywhere else.

So can someone tell me why this is a problem that's allegedly worse for us?

[scout's honor]

So the majority of our 'casters have 7 - like the majority of other factions. I've only seen a couple of 8's anywhere else.

So can someone tell me why this is a problem that's allegedly worse for us?

Because the limited amount of focus can be mitigated but Khador doesn't have as many ways (and most are considered traps) to do this as some other factions for one. Because marshalling is not usually a great idea in Khador for another. And lastly, because the jacks that we can consider to be focus-efficient are not necessarily bad, but arguably fairly specific in their use.

[quindraco]

Marshalling it to a Koldun Lord takes care of those two things without any strain on your caster, and the KL is a good solo anyway for 2 points.

I find 2 points to be a particularly awkward point level when building my lists, but I would rather have a manhunter or Gorman di Wulfe than a Koldun Lord any day of the week.

[squee]

I run five jacks at 35 pts with eButcher. It's hilarious.

[PG_ratch]

Aggro your not alone. my pIrusk is on the way but eSorscha is my only IF caster aside from that lol.
i love to run Berserkers! i run Spriggan and Berserker with pIrusk. Superiority on the Berserker is crazy fun lol.
i own 1 WGDS, aside from that my infantry is MoW, i have a full unit of each. actually i will be taking my painted Demo Corps up to the shop here shortly.
I like 1-2 jacks depending on caster. pIrusk ill be running 2, Spriggan and Berserker. maybe B-Ivan instead of Spriggan.

[Shinji]

Marshalling it to a Koldun Lord takes care of those two things without any strain on your caster, and the KL is a good solo anyway for 2 points.

I will have to look at the KL and see what it offers. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Havock]

Zerkova likes two.

[Cannotcope]

I don't think it is the slightest bit weird to play what you like, especially if it works for you. In fact, I'd think you were weird if you were playing something you disliked just because it was "better".

This.

You want weird?

I've never run less than 2 jacks in a Khador army, and typically run 3+. I don't have duplicate jacks, so each jack will be a different model.
I've also never use Iron Fangs(pikemen, uhlans, or great bears), Winterguard Infantry, Doomreavers, or Kayazy Assassins (I don't own any of these).
Nor do I own any character jacks other than Scrappy.
I sold my Nyss Hunters off in Mk1 and never replaced them.

I love my Marauder.

[HeroZero]

Spriggan and Black ivan are my ne home bros. They tag team so well with each other its criminal. Flaring an auto boosted bombard is dirty pool. Using 1 bull doze jack to clear off another : priceless.
I am experimenting with the third pary animal as being a jugger for retaliation.

[PG_General Nemo]

I have had lots of success with a second warjack at 35 points.

[Raktra]

Am I wierd that I wish bombadiers were FA2?

Let's get married.

[Aggroculture]

Yo guys got a tournement comming up on sunday a 70 teams tourny. the points are split between the two groups which ever way they want. My partner is runing cygnar slonne ans E Nemo most likely. The problem im having is that i just got a bunch of shiny new infantry, doom reavers and eliminators that the only list i settled on is a zerkova list with one jack, sure that jack is behemoth but still i feel like i just betrayed my self and all of you so im going to make it up to all of you by running behemoth and 2 devastators with Lady Z and what ever solos i can sqeeze in

[SuperTheBoss]

I find 2 points to be a particularly awkward point level when building my lists, but I would rather have a manhunter or Gorman di Wulfe than a Koldun Lord any day of the week.

Not the absolute best 2 point solo option, and I can totally see wanting to field something else instead, but I've had some good experiences with it as a solo and that puts it in the "good" category for me. Also, if you're running a destroyer anyway, I think it's worth 2 points to effectively have an extra focus on a lot of turns that you want to be shooting stuff.