This is my liist so far

[Lukai]

hey there,

so this is my list so far and i was hopping for some feed back or ideas of were to go frome here.

kommander harkevich
black ivan
destroyer
5 man-o-war shocktroopers
widowmaker marksman

i was wondering what would be a good aditinon to get to 35 points? i was thinking,

wintergard field gun crew x2
decimator

brings it up to 35 points.

or should i put in mechanicks and wintergard? any imput would be apretiated THanks

[philipcryx]

More infantry...my pick would be Doom Reavers..got to love S+P 13 weapon masters...screen them with the Shocktroopers and march them up the field...up since i dont know anything about Harkevich the reavers might be a poor choice...if you decided WG get the UA without question, then if points allow you to fit in joe do it...those assassins are a great, yet ugly, unit to..man tons of options but my 2 cents are the doom reavers

[Sign]

The shocktroopers seem like an odd choice. They are slower than the jacks due to escort so they either need to run or they fall behind.

[scout's honor]

What's the plan to win? Just to try and grind the opposing list down? I don't see this as being a strong assassination or scenario list, nor as a list capable of solidly favourable piece trading, so I'm assuming the idea is to bring together models that go well together and just slug it out. To be honest, I don't think that's a good starting point. I think you really need a plan of sorts. Even if you don't get to execute it in practice due to circumstances it will likely still force your opponent's hand a little, and if it does come together you're obviously golden. Don't just pick matching models, pick models that together can achieve something that brings you closer to a victory condition.

[Lukai]

To be honest i just started playing a couple weeks ago with a couple friends, I had picked up the two player starter that came with skorcha, 5 man o war shocktroops, a jugernaut and a destroyer for kahdor. it came with menoth also but thats irelevant.

so i picked up the iron wolf cus i really liked the model and his abillities seemed really cool, and when i checked on battle coledge they said it was a really good idea to use black ivan with him, also for one point more hes a good buy i find.
aside from that i had looked at his tier list and its restrictions so for a 25 point list, i was mostly using models i had, havent really put a game strategy together yet, seeing as ive played only a handfull of games.

I had been screening my destroyer and ivan behind the shield walling man-o-wars, till i get close enough to use my feat. the marksman was to take care of pesky models and flush out my 25 points. I guess winter guard infantry is a solid adition with there officer and standard?

thanks again for the imput

[Lukai]

also is it really worth his tier list? or is it a better idea to run other units with him like Iron fang pikemen with the black dragon upgrade?

[scout's honor]

To be honest i just started playing a couple weeks ago with a couple friends, I had picked up the two player starter that came with skorcha, 5 man o war shocktroops, a jugernaut and a destroyer for kahdor. it came with menoth also but thats irelevant.

so i picked up the iron wolf cus i really liked the model and his abillities seemed really cool, and when i checked on battle coledge they said it was a really good idea to use black ivan with him, also for one point more hes a good buy i find.
aside from that i had looked at his tier list and its restrictions so for a 25 point list, i was mostly using models i had, havent really put a game strategy together yet, seeing as ive played only a handfull of games.

I had been screening my destroyer and ivan behind the shield walling man-o-wars, till i get close enough to use my feat. the marksman was to take care of pesky models and flush out my 25 points. I guess winter guard infantry is a solid adition with there officer and standard?

I'm guessing that means no scenarios (which is ok, although I do recommend not waiting too long before you start to use them).

Your overall tactic is solid with the models you have (so don't take my previous comments too hard - I wasn't trying to be harsh but on review I find it might have come off that way). It's slow, but without scenarios that's not a big problem. I don't know how effective those two bombards from your jacks are, since that depends on the matchup, but I'd suggest a jack that can hit a bit harder in melee on the feat turn and if possible has reach - that would mean a Spriggan or Beast 09. That should improve the impact of your feat turn significantly, helping out with getting the better of the piece trade. At that point mechanics, possibly with their UA so they can fix up the Shocktroopers as well, definitely become a viable choice. They too will give you an edge with the attrition game.

also is it really worth his tier list? or is it a better idea to run other units with him like Iron fang pikemen with the black dragon upgrade?

The benefits are definitely good, the model restrictions I'm not too keen on - but that's because I'm not keen on MoW in general, and you already have them and are using them (on purpose, with a specific idea in mind). If the question is whether you would be better off using the IFP instead of the MoW, but doing the same thing, I'd say no. They're not quite as durable. If you're willing to give up a little bit of durability for more mobility/speed in that role on the other hand, that's certainly viable.

[Monkeys Blood]

This exactly the same army I'm painting at the moment, for much the same reasons. I was looking towards a thurd jack, mainly cause I just like jacks, but don't know if that will be too much foe Hark to run.

[tehhelios]

Hark can run 3 jacks well enough. Black ivan is verry focus efficient.

[Lukai]

so how does this sound

Hark
black Ivan
destroyer( or decimator)
sprigan
man-o-war ST
widow marksman

or should i go with more infantry

replacing either the sprigand with a unit of 10 winterguard plus command and Union joe? so it would look like this

Hark
Ivan
destroyer (or decimator)
5 man-o-wars st
10 Winter guard +comand+ joe
widowmaker marks

theres also the man-o-war demo crew that look apealling,Also i was wonderingif it was really worth it to keep the list a tier list or use other models?
thanks again