Eiryss characrer Unit

[AJ the Ronin]

http://mattwilsonprime.com/?p=112

Now we have something to talk about that is different since we can help design her look


Edit: although it looks like she won't be at colossal.

[DarkLegacy]

Yeah, it is a shame we have to wait another book for her.

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

But, at least we'll finally have an Eiryss on the table that isn't also staring back at us from the enemy's deployment zone.

I wonder if this will mean she's a MHSF attachment?

EDIT: Oh, oh! Maybe she'll head a character unit! Not likely though...I think the words "UA" were mentioned specifically. Alas.

[AJ the Ronin]

Yes he said UA but if you add a character UA to a unit the unit becomes a character unit.

I think she will ne an alternate UA for the strike force

[Lord Sessadore]

But, at least we'll finally have an Eiryss on the table that isn't also staring back at us from the enemy's deployment zone.

I wonder if this will mean she's a MHSF attachment?

EDIT: Oh, oh! Maybe she'll head a character unit! Not likely though...I think the words "UA" were mentioned specifically. Alas.

Yeah, he specifically says she'll be a UA.

I'm kind of up in the air on what kind of unit I think she'll be in, though. She's keeping her sword and crossbow, so that looks like the existing MHSF. Matt says "Now she’s going to be leading a unit of razor-blade-wielding, human-hating, homicidal zealots" - that sounds like a melee unit. But then, are they still going to have crossbows to match Eiryss? That seems a little redundant to have two mage hunter units with swords and crossbows. So if they are pure melee, then Eiryss is the only one with a crossbow? Also weird.

So I guess I'm leaning towards MHSF after all, heh. If she grants True Sight and not Phantom Hunter, I think that would be pretty cool. Also could possibly allow two MHSF units both with a UA in the same game, unless they make some kind of rule that fielding Eiryss3 reduces the normal UA's FA by 1.

[Demeritus]

That is awesome that we now know something coming for us in 2013 with her being an alternate UA most likely. I do hope that with this, it means we will get an alternate way of stripping upkeeps and what not because as is she is our only option. Well now PP is giving us something to speculate on one week (hopefully) approximately before an early release of Colossals.

[Gho5t]

She won't be in Colossals? He said the model is due in the fall...
Oh, I guess if she isn't concept arted yet, it's not in the book. Damn!!

[joelker41]

Pasted my response from the other thread:

If she can be a UA on MHSF that grants true sight, I will run out of my work truck in the middle of public and dance a very ugly fat white Guy dance.

Completely devoid of grace, rhythm, or other form of decency.

[Lord Sessadore]

She won't be in Colossals? He said the model is due in the fall...
Oh, I guess if she isn't concept arted yet, it's not in the book. Damn!!

The Cryx concept art is due in the fall, Eiryss concept due July 16th.

So unless they're going to push colour illustration through in about a week and magically teleport her entry into all of the Colossals books before they officially hit shelves ...

[DesertSpiral]

Who knew, the blood hag was eiryss all along

[Shogran]

The big question is, is she still also a merc?

[Gho5t]

Oh man. I'm really really looking forward to this.
Any kind of MH unit for her to attach to is fine by me. A new MH unit would be awesome, but a 2nd UA for our already killer unit? Deal!

[AJ the Ronin]

The Cryx concept art is due in the fall, Eiryss concept due July 16th.

So unless they're going to push colour illustration through in about a week and magically teleport her entry into all of the Colossals books before they officially hit shelves ...

Maybe Eiryss art done by Matt is for something else (some promo, Gencon prints) and her art for Colossal is already set. He only said "next book" and since Colossal hasn't being released that is the next book

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

Yes he said UA but if you add a character UA to a unit the unit becomes a character unit.

I think she will ne an alternate UA for the strike force

Which baffles me somewhat. We take the MHSF UA for Phantom Seeker. It's what makes the unit. So...there are only two possibilities with two outcomes:

1.) she will still grant Phantom Seeker.
2.) she will not grant Phantom Seeker.

Which means:

a.) she will be way better than the current UA or,
b.) she will be different...maybe better, maybe worse.

I suppose it will force choices. If she's with the MHSF, no eEiryss that we know and love. It may also force some decisions on the MHSF UA, but let's be honest: if she's better, there's not much choice...it'll just be a matter of wanting to use her solo incarnation instead. If she's worse, we'll stick with the solo. If she's about comparable...then I see running two MHSFs as a likely outcome.

Of course, there's too many unknowns to accurately prognosticate. Heck, she may be a UA for a previously unseen mage hunter unit. Some kind of Retribution of Scyrah ultra-elite force, perhaps. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Mastershake]

The big question is, is she still also a merc?

That would be impossible unless the unit she's a UA for is also mercs (unlikely given the description).

The description of the unit doesn't sound far afield of the MHSF and it seems like there's a lot of ways you could go to change the unit since their base stats and abilities are solid and could really go in a number of directions. Should be fun.

[Tol]

From the sound of it, her rules are done, the unit is done, they just need concept art to sculpt the mini with.

So she likely will not be in Colossals, but I also am extremely curious if she'll still be a merc also.

Is this a mercenary unit? They are "human hating zealots" so like, a Stormfall Melee unit or something?

Intriguing!

[DesertSpiral]

Also it means that in masters format we can have eiryss in all three lists

[Shogran]

She could make the Ret unit she is added to also be classed as a merc, It would not be the first time PP has done something like that. At no point does it say she has given up being a merc, it just says she will be getting a unit to join her.

[joelker41]

Well I would like to point out if she is attached to a MHSF unit she can be in an army with a normal MHSF unit and UA.

Ravyn just go WAY scarier potentially.

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

She could make the Ret unit she is added to also be classed as a merc, It would not be the first time PP has done something like that. At no point does it say she has given up being a merc, it just says she will be getting a unit to join her.

She may have a special rule making MHSF a merc unit...but that'd be a first.

It's a strong bet that she will not be a merc.

[seraphius]

Pasted my response from the other thread:

If she can be a UA on MHSF that grants true sight, I will run out of my work truck in the middle of public and dance a very ugly fat white Guy dance.

Completely devoid of grace, rhythm, or other form of decency.

this!! but i`ll add naked to the mix!

[Shogran]

She may have a special rule making MHSF a merc unit...but that'd be a first.

It's a strong bet that she will not be a merc.

If I remember PP gave a UA that turned merc units to faction units for the 4 prime factions, so why could they not do it the other way round?

[Lord Sessadore]

If she is an alternate MHSF UA, I'd almost be willing to bet that you couldn't field the normal UA on a different unit of MHSF unless you're playing a multi-caster game. On the other hand, the only alternate UA we have so far is the Black Dragons, and you can field both them and the normal IFP UA in the same game, so maybe I'm wrong.

Edit: Also, I don't really want to see Eiryss3 turning her unit into a merc unit. We have to share Eiryss1 and 2 already, I don't want to share the MHSF/other mage hunter unit too. I mean, come on, it's not like we're Cygnar over here.

[Mastershake]

She could make the Ret unit she is added to also be classed as a merc, It would not be the first time PP has done something like that. At no point does it say she has given up being a merc, it just says she will be getting a unit to join her.

...I'm not even starting to see a unit of mage hunters selling their services to the highest bidder. TBH, fluffwise it seemed odd that eEiryss was even still a merc, but in her fluff it did mention that her time as a merc may be wearing a bit thin, so it would make sense for this to Eiryss after the fallout of the Elves activities hit especially since she originally operated with a healthy umbrella of mystery an anonimity.

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

If I remember PP gave a UA that turned merc units to faction units for the 4 prime factions, so why could they not do it the other way round?

Because merc units already work for other factions, not the other way around. The only time faction models have ever gone merc is with theme forces (a la Bad Seeds and Magnus' Agenda) or with a specific contract (Highborn Covenant). Note, in both cases they are not hirable by the prime factions, but are honorary mercs.

It's not impossible. But giving out a faction defining unit like MHSF to any other faction is probably not a good idea. I would not expect our units to start contracting themselves out.

[Murkhadh]

I can't see her making other things mercs, I think the opposite, others are on to her tricks of killing everyone she works for so she is coming home to fight for ret only, at any rate this is very exciting to me.

[Tol]

She may have a special rule making MHSF a merc unit...but that'd be a first.

There's a merc caster that can pull in Cygnaran units. So it's not completely unheard of.

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

I can't see her making other things mercs, I think the opposite, others are on to her tricks of killing everyone she works for so she is coming home to fight for ret alone.

Well, it's not like she turns on her employers. She just feeds intelligence back to Ios and gets to kill mages in the process. But, as Shake noted, her time as a merc does seem to be wearing thin. With the Iosians becoming more involved (and the Skorne invasion coming) she's needed with her people. The time for deception and waiting is over.

[Murkhadh]

Well, it's not like she turns on her employers. She just feeds intelligence back to Ios and gets to kill mages in the process. But, as Shake noted, her time as a merc does seem to be wearing thin. With the Iosians becoming more involved (and the Skorne invasion coming) she's needed with her people. The time for deception and waiting is over.

I thought I read she does often turn on her employers. I'll check the book when I get home.

[PG_Dawnlord Ed]

There's a merc caster that can pull in Cygnaran units. So it's not completely unheard of.

Because merc units already work for other factions, not the other way around. The only time faction models have ever gone merc is with theme forces (a la Bad Seeds and Magnus' Agenda) or with a specific contract (Highborn Covenant). Note, in both cases they are not hirable by the prime factions, but are honorary mercs.

It's not impossible. But giving out a faction defining unit like MHSF to any other faction is probably not a good idea. I would not expect our units to start contracting themselves out.

Quoting myself because it apparently needs to be said again.

[bouncymischa]

Matt says "Now she?s going to be leading a unit of razor-blade-wielding, human-hating, homicidal zealots" - that sounds like a melee unit. But then, are they still going to have crossbows to match Eiryss? That seems a little redundant to have two mage hunter units with swords and crossbows. So if they are pure melee, then Eiryss is the only one with a crossbow? Also weird.

I can sort of see it. Maybe it comes from being a Trencher fan, but I always think about how the Trencher UA packs a sniper rifle. There's also the recent leagues where solos have acted as UAs for various units, so it may be that Privateer is simply moving away from the homogenously equipped units.

It's even possible to work out some ways that she could make it work -- one idea that came to mind is if Eiryss and her unit had something similar to the ability War Wolves have around Reeves -- shoot the target, then the melee guys get a bonus when attacking them. You'd need that rule where you can shoot and then attack (Assault and Battery? I can't remember which it was...), but if Eiryss could shoot something, and then her squad went charging in with a bonus it would be interesting...

[Chopsworth]

It's not impossible. But giving out a faction defining unit like MHSF to any other faction is probably not a good idea. I would not expect our units to start contracting themselves out.

Mage Hunter's, maybe. From a purely fluff standpoint Mage Hunters being Mercs make sense. Eiryss herself is a Merc MH. Humans using magic are the enemy of elves and as such any opportunity to strike down the enemies of Ios is a win.

Now, in reality. Allowing MHSF to become Merc and work for any faction? That sounds like a terrible, terrible thing.

[Lord Sessadore]

Mage Hunter's, maybe. From a purely fluff standpoint Mage Hunters being Mercs make sense. Eiryss herself is a Merc MH. Humans using magic are the enemy of elves and as such any opportunity to strike down the enemies of Ios is a win.

Now, in reality. Allowing MHSF to become Merc and work for any faction? That sounds like a terrible, terrible thing.

Fluff-wise I would say the exact opposite. I believe it's called out in one of the Eiryss' fluff blurbs that none of the other mage hunters can fathom how she stands to work for humans - Eiryss being a merc is very much a unique thing as mage hunters and the Retribution in general goes. They respected Eiryss' success, but I don't think any of them wanted to try doing the same.

[Mastershake]

Mage Hunter's, maybe. From a purely fluff standpoint Mage Hunters being Mercs make sense. Eiryss herself is a Merc MH. Humans using magic are the enemy of elves and as such any opportunity to strike down the enemies of Ios is a win.

Now, in reality. Allowing MHSF to become Merc and work for any faction? That sounds like a terrible, terrible thing.

From a fluff standpoint it doesn't. Eiryss was unique as the only mage hunter to go merc. With an increasing in Iosan activity presumably targeting magic users and the importance of casters in the IK, the most famous mage hunter in the world showing up with buddies seems like it be kind of obvious.

[Bartacus]

Now, in reality. Allowing MHSF to become Merc and work for any faction? That sounds like a terrible, terrible thing.

There will be no naked dancing if this happens!!!

[AJ the Ronin]

Matt said on the comments of his blog:

Mmmm…charging probably isn’t the most appropriate thing for her to be doing, considering who she’s attached to. The units she plays with definitely are following her because of her characteristic skill set. (Oh, did I say unitS?)

[PMAvers]

Would be kind of cool if she could attach to any unit, but if she attached to a Merc unit that Ret can run she'd Ranking Officer them into Ret.

If just for Ret Nyss Hunters. (Hey, I might have a reason to buy them.)

Or Aiyana, Holt, and Eiryss. (Poor... or lucky... guy.)

Granted, this is all sane-talk. Let's get crazy. Like granting Purgation to all the weapons in the unit she's attached to.

[Tol]

All the traffic took down Matt's blog.

[joelker41]

Seriously if she is a ranking officer there will still be ugly dancing.

[rolandhadley]

If she's a MHSF UA, then it may give new life to the Kalyssa tier list, which is already quite solid, since you can take two UA's in that list. If you had one MHSF unit with Phantom Hunter and another with True sight, that would be quite excellent .