Stormwall is STR 17

[Goris]

So, if the Mountain king is the same, say hello to the premier spell assassination warlock, Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia. I'm going to start the rampant speculation now. Up to a potential 4 primal shocks a turn from roughly 27" away is going to change the way way play eDoomy.

[baronvonchaos]

That would just be awful... Remember to knock down the caster/lock first. 1-2 hits will descimate.

[Kamahin]

The insider post has me wondering if the Mountain King will be for sale at Lock and Load..... I need to find a ninja shopper me thinks.

[Goris]

I've pretty well and resigned myself ot not eating anything during the con because I'll have spent all my money on one.

[Gython]

The insider post has me wondering if the Mountain King will be for sale at Lock and Load..... I need to find a ninja shopper me thinks.

Has there been a precedent set for this in the past where a months from production model has been for sale at a large event? I would think the Khador Colossal would be for sale before any other...

[Gython]

...Remember to knock down the caster/lock first...

Great in theory but a lot harder than it sounds with savvy opponents

[LichLordVexing]

Even though the Mountain King is so far away, they do have the model ready, so I would think (hope) that they would've started production on it by now. I wouldn't hold my breath to see one, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were on sale at L&L either.

[bigmike1240]

In the insider for today, they hint at what the pre-releases at L&L will be. The last one listed is " and an Extremely dangerous warbeast." , think this will be the mountain king?

Though it is probably one of the warbeast not yet released from Domination.

[Kamahin]

"There will be a selection of BIG releases for some of the main WARMACHINE factions, a book with BIG illustrations and some BIG new rules, and an Extremely dangerous warbeast."

Its the "Extremely dangerous warbeast." part that makes me feel like its the Mountain King.

With all the other items he discussed I don't know what else it would be.

[FranzGrenstein]

Great in theory but a lot harder than it sounds with savvy opponents

Huge base + slam +2 + goad and/or primal shock = dead caster.

[PG_petegrrrr]

Do you mean the new power attack slam where you stand still and swipe at them? If so, yes.

If not, good luck slamming a pie plate across the field center line to center line and not stopping do to contacting another model/obstacle/etc.

[Goris]

"There will be a selection of BIG releases for some of the main WARMACHINE factions, a book with BIG illustrations and some BIG new rules, and an Extremely dangerous warbeast."

Its the "Extremely dangerous warbeast." part that makes me feel like its the Mountain King.

With all the other items he discussed I don't know what else it would be.

Guessing they are talking about the Storm Troll which I would be quite pleased about. Otherwise, I guess I will be selling a kidney to pick that model up...

[Dr. Ewww]

Do we know whether they can receive Animi? If they can, then throw some Rage on that toast!

[Goris]

They can be buffed. If you were thinking about using Rage to buff Primal Shock, the wording on it says BASE STR.

[Kamahin]

Looking at releases, Tiberion is being released in July, so I suppose it could be him... dreams, crushed.

[FranzGrenstein]

Do you mean the new power attack slam where you stand still and swipe at them? If so, yes.

If not, good luck slamming a pie plate across the field center line to center line and not stopping do to contacting another model/obstacle/etc.

OK, 2 handed throw for 9 inches into the caster apply gun/primal shock after goading.

[theflyingdutchman59]

huge base + slam +2 + goad and/or primal shock = dead caster.

sweet zombie jesus!

[AceofShadows]

the warbeast sounds like tiberion to me. but here's hoping to the mountain king!

[PG_Celedor]

I thought it might be the Mountain King too, based on hearsay. But once I read the insider, the specific use of the word "extreme" leads me to believe it would be a new extreme beast sculpt.

[PG_Celedor]

I've pretty well and resigned myself ot not eating anything during the con because I'll have spent all my money on one.

A true collector! hahaha

[hmk17]

Guessing they are talking about the Storm Troll which I would be quite pleased about. Otherwise, I guess I will be selling a kidney to pick that model up...

A kid in China sold a kidney for an Iphone 4S and an Ipad Next. You should easily be able to get 2 Mountain Kings. :P


I'm willing to bet the King will have 1 more STR and 1 more POW on his claws than the Stormwall has on his hands.

[PG_Goldstep]

It also means that We only get a POW 3 weapon for the earthborne. I could CRY.

[Goris]

It also means that We only get a POW 3 weapon for the earthborne. I could CRY.

Doubt it. We know that conquest is POW 22 and that would likely mean STR 18 accounting for a BIG MEATY FIST. So at least a 4. The EB already has plenty of ways to get his power up anyway.

[Autumn Stone]

He's capitalised the word "Extremely" in Extremely dangerous war beast. Expect a new war beast extreme sculpt. Carnivean extreme? Wrastler extreme? Warhog extreme? Bronzeback extreme?

We can wish list an earth born extreme, but I won't be holding my breath.

Cheers
A.S.

[PG_Captain Smash]

FYI. you CANNOT Goad the Mountain King assuming Gargantuans have the same rules as Colossals, NO movement outside Normal Movement and No Placing. Also pMadraks Feat doesnt do much good on the Mountain King since he cant make the Overtake Move. I guess if there is enough infantry surrounding him he still gets the extra attacks.

[Cannotcope]

He's capitalised the word "Extremely" in Extremely dangerous war beast. Expect a new war beast extreme sculpt. Carnivean extreme? Wrastler extreme? Warhog extreme?

Legion and Minions are the only Hordes factions without Extreme beasts, so my money would be on the Carnivean, rather than a Minion beast or second beast for the other three (extreme mauler, feral and gladiator). On the other hand, Khador has multiple Extremes (Destroyer, Juggernaut), iirc, and Menoth/Cryx/Cygnar/Retribution/Mercs are all still waiting, so...

[PG_Captain Smash]

Brian, one of the PP sculptures mentioned at L&L last year something about making a custom Mulg model for himself, maybe it turned into Extreme Mulg, doubtful though. However if I were a betting man I would definitely bet on him refering to the Mountain King.

[Gython]

I'm guessing that since all the Colossal's have impressive range abilities, our "king of the Hill" will have impressive regenerating qualities with all the Whelps popping off him?

[PG_Celedor]

I'm guessing that since all the Colossal's have impressive range abilities, our "king of the Hill" will have impressive regenerating qualities with all the Whelps popping off him?

Depends on how hard this whelps are popping off.

[PG_Captain Smash]

I love the line in NQ describing this

"The Mountain Kings are so massive that even the act of shedding skin produces whelps"

Granted it's just fluff text but sounds good to me.

[PG_relasine]

So, if the Mountain king is the same, say hello to the premier spell assassination warlock, Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia. I'm going to start the rampant speculation now. Up to a potential 4 primal shocks a turn from roughly 27" away is going to change the way way play eDoomy.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't an errata to Primal Shock before the Mountain King is properly released.

[Beckman]

I'd be surprised if there wasn't an errata to Primal Shock before the Mountain King is properly released.

Why do you think that boostable POW18s would be a bad thing? :P

[StinkyJim]

The very thought of a POW 18 Primal shock makes me dance.

The idea of STR 22 (Rage+KSB) also makes me very happy - an 11 inch throw is horrifying.

Of course this presuming he's STR 18. Being Trolls is it possible it'll be even higher ?

[PG_joedj]

The Stormwall's STR 17 really surprised me. I'd assumed lower, plus greater POW.

That said, the Mountain King could be STR 16, POW 6 and still be more melee damaging than the Stormwall, and comparable to the anticipated P&S 22 of the Conquest.

A couple of POW 16 Primal Shocks would still be pretty darn nasty.

I hope the Mountain King will be at L&L, but I'll keep my anticipation in check. Sons of Bragg and Storm Troll alone would make my con!

[The Happy Anarchist]

Yeah. Can almost guarantee that eDoomy is not going to be spending 2 fury on a better than self arcing spell that does Pow 15-18. Foresee errata coming to take it away.

[Goris]

This is a lot less crazy then eGaspy was or the blood hag or any of the other crap they have erratad. Less doom...

[LichLordVexing]

I hope it doesn't get an errata... I'd be a sad panda...

[PG_Enazel]

FYI. you CANNOT Goad the Mountain King assuming Gargantuans have the same rules as Colossals, NO movement outside Normal Movement and No Placing. Also pMadraks Feat doesnt do much good on the Mountain King since he cant make the Overtake Move. I guess if there is enough infantry surrounding him he still gets the extra attacks.

Not quite right. There's no movement outside of Colossals Activations, SO you can goad as thats during activiations.

[Nimor]

I'm less worried about STR17+ Primal Shocks than about these evil eye lasers Zaal and the extollers sport. Cause Gargantuans are, unlike Colossals, living models after all.

Not quite right. There's no movement outside of Colossals Activations, SO you can goad as thats during activiations.

That's not correct. Colossals only advance during normal movement (NQ #42)

[PG_Magonus]

If Primal Shock doesn't get erratad, we're looking at a potential 37.5" threat range. Pop feat, charge something (own model if need be) for 11". 14" to edge of Mountain King, ~4.7" for base size, 8" more for spell range. Bring a Runebearer for the cheaper spell and you're looking at 4 attacks if you don't need to boost anything or two fully boosted.

Cygnar has 3 STR 12 heavies and 8 STR 11 heavies for an average of 11.27. Trolls have 5 STR heavies and 1 STR 13 heavy for an average of 12.17. Most heavy jacks and beasts have POW 3 or 4 claws/fists, so that seems reasonable to expect for the Mountain King be 3 or 4 with an slim outside chance of 5. Given that, I think we can safely assume STR 17 or 18 and P+S 20-22 for the Mountain King. That will make for a truly terrifying combo with eDoomie.