Premature Kraken Dojo! ;)

[warlorddrax]

i think that the Kraken's "meat fueled" ability is inhierent to the model. i think that its guns are going to be on the SuperStructure. they do not look like they have arcs like its arms.

i also highly doubt that our collossal is going to be ARM 20. i think that it will be ARM 19.

D3+1 shots on its minigun sounds likely, i'm already thinking of the possibilities of a Cryxian gun-line army.
i can't wait to try this thing!

[Harvester]

I think that since DJ has 19 our colossal Will have 20..

[Lambstar]

Quick question: Does anybody know yet if the Kraken gets corpses from living and undead models or just living models? A little disappointing if it's the latter, but it's more likely. Could still be surprised though.

[Sheer_Falacy]

Since pretty much the only thing in the game that gets corpses from undead is the necrosurgeon, I'm guessing no.

The fact that it RFPs at boxed hurts. So much for our hopes that it would work with soul collectors. Not to mention ravager, triggering overrun for someone else, melee black spot, and probably some other things we have that trigger on destroyed. If turning the corpses into focus is optional we may want to skip it just so the kraken can destroy things (if it works like that).

[warlorddrax]

do we know what its ARM is?
or exactly how many hit boxes it has?
or what his superstructure does?

we need more details, the pics on the front page show the book for sale. we need more details!

[Adurot]

19, 52, the unicorn cannon.

[PG_and Riot!]

ARM 19
58 boxes
S system = Hellblast Cannon

(Per a text from a friend there)

[Caanos]

Does it gain the corpse tokens from melee only, or can it gather them from it's ranged guns as well? I haven't seen anything either way on it, so I'm curious if someone knows the answer to it.

[max2323]

Since the Kraken runs on bodies and not souls, wouldn't he be a decent target for Soul Harvester, he gets the bodies and Venethrax gets the souls?

[PG_RevGeoff]

"Collector" - ...when it boxes a living enemy as the result of a melee attack..."
It collects corpses from melee and only living.

Any other questions...I have the book sitting in front of me (and the model

[PG_RevGeoff]

...with corpses, its unicorn gun has a p+s of 17. Did anyone mention that the main cannon also gets +1 strength per corpse?

[Sheer_Falacy]

"Collector" - ...when it boxes a living enemy as the result of a melee attack..."
It collects corpses from melee and only living.

Any other questions...I have the book sitting in front of me (and the model

Does it remove from play at boxed? If so, does it still do so if it's full on corpses? And, finally, is turning corpses into souls optional?

[PG_RevGeoff]

Does it remove from play at boxed? If so, does it still do so if it's full on corpses? And, finally, is turning corpses into souls optional?

"remove boxed model from play"
no - only when fewer than 3
corpses CAN be turned into focus points. no mention of souls.

[Snarkie]

"remove boxed model from play"
no - only when fewer than 3
corpses CAN be turned into focus points. no mention of souls.

So this means that as long as the Kraken is full up on corpse tokens, it can trigger effects like ravager, black spot, and generate souls for Terminus' feat with its 4" melee attacks?

[warlorddrax]

is it considered to be a HellJack?
(this is important for various theme-forces and points discounts)

[Antereas]

It's considered a Colossal. So we have light jacks (bonejacks), heavy warjacks (helljacks) and the third category of Colossal. Any theme force that specifies non-character warjack can take a colossal. Confirmation kinda from Gaspy3 theme.

[Sanctjud]

It's considered a Colossal. So we have light jacks (bonejacks), heavy warjacks (helljacks) and the third category of Colossal. Any theme force that specifies non-character warjack can take a colossal. Confirmation kinda from Gaspy3 theme.

OMG...that is epic...that is just awesome.

[Gamingdevil]

corpses CAN be turned into focus points. no mention of souls.

It can. So can you choose how many to turn into focus? When exactly does it happen? Is it allocation or on top of normal focus?

[PG_RevGeoff]

It can. So can you choose how many to turn into focus? When exactly does it happen? Is it allocation or on top of normal focus?

during your control phase. no it cannot exceed its focus limit.

[PG_Affliction]

I haven't been able to dig this up anywhere is the Kraken RAT 5 or RAT 6?

[PG_RevGeoff]

I haven't been able to dig this up anywhere is the Kraken RAT 5 or RAT 6?

The lower. Kahdor has one less rat and Cygnar one more.

[monkmonk]

So what are the exact rules on the killshot? If you can't say that, then can u figure out how killshot interacts with blackspot? Is it normal, killshot, blackspot, killshot?

[PG_Neldar]

Have photos of the actual cards surfaced anywhere?

[PG_RevGeoff]

Kill Shot is once per activation - after a living model is killed by a melee attack, so you should only get one "kill shot" per activation.

Black spot with the Kraken could be pretty fun though - up to five normal shots per activation (1D3+1, plus the unicorn gun). Plus that unicorn gun with corpses is very very nice! Too bad we don't have snipe.

[Scottl1]

Kill Shot is once per activation - after a living model is killed by a melee attack, so you should only get one "kill shot" per activation.

Black spot with the Kraken could be pretty fun though - up to five normal shots per activation (1D3+1, plus the unicorn gun). Plus that unicorn gun with corpses is very very nice! Too bad we don't have snipe.

You just gave the reason we don't. lol Plus prior to the kraken we didn't really have a worth while target for snipe imo. Well maybe nyss hunters. lol

[Lambstar]

Photos of the Mountain King card are up and he has Kill Shot, so the wording there should be pretty unambiguous.

Thanks for all the info and clarifications, RevGeoff!

[PG_RevGeoff]

Photos of the Mountain King card are up and he has Kill Shot, so the wording there should be pretty unambiguous.

Thanks for all the info and clarifications, RevGeoff!

Anytime. We are having a big bash on Tuesday...it was going to be all three colossals throwing it down but I'll show up late because of my son's school concert. I'll try to post some thoughts after actually playing it.

[AshenFang]

So the Kraken can (in a super round) shoot up to 10 times?

Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Big Gun - kill - Big Gun

Seems kind of silly to have so many shots if it works

Have a question on this whole thing..

Alright, all of the above is shooting the big gun.. ..could you say..

Rapid Fire - Kill - Little gun for another d3+1
Rapid Fire - Kill - Little gun for another d3+1
Rapid Fire - Kill - Little gun for another d3+1
Rapid Fire - Kill - Little gun for another d3+1
Big Gun - Kill - Little gun for another d3+1

Heh.. just curious, as I have never used Black spot much, not really sure how it rolls.

[Caanos]

No. The free shot from Black Spot doesn't mean you get to roll again to see how many shots you get with the little gun. All it means is that if you kill someone with an attack from the rapid fire gun, you get to take ONE free shot with either that gun or the big gun. Atleast, this is what I'm lead to believe due to the wording on Black Spot. I think it would become close to an auto include in ESkarre's list if you got D3+1 free shots with every kill.

[PG_Purplecow]

Played 5 games with the Kraken at Lock N Load, 2 with Mortenebra, 2 with Pdenny (shooty list with Nyss), and 1 with Eskarre. Morty and Pdenny are BOSS with this thing. Pdenny can get the main gun up to POW 22 with corpses, feat, and parasite. The POW 15 blast damage could kill a couple of casters boosted (POW 15 blast damage...*shudder*). Even the rapid fire gun is a threat at that point, since it's d3+1 POW 17s. Feat, Scourge, Parasite, GG.

With Mortenebra this thing is a monster. Threatening 14" vs living with boosted attacks with it's high pow is pretty gross. Overrun won't trigger on melee attacks unless it's full on corpses (which it did every game I played it in vs. hordes), but with kill shot it's actually pretty easy to get it off anyways. One thing that I didn't even think about until reading Collector about 100 times after killing a War Hog with 3 fury on him is that A) Collector is like snacking and base size doesn't matter and B) Collector RFPs and thus prevents reaving fury from beasts you kill while not full of corpses. GROSS.

The 1 game with Eskarre was the only game it was wrecked, and that was due entirely to a significant amount of extremely high rolling. No real chances to test blackspot shenanigans due to nothing but multiwound high ARM infantry (EKreoss with bastions and Cinerators)

[ResurrectioN]

I played one game with it in Coven tier.
It performed rather fine but when you're facing pSevy with Errants and Zealots it is way too steep uphill battle for Coven as it is
and Greater Destiny and Self Sacrifice preventing corpse collection didn't help either.

Chain attack was nice to ignore Blessing of Vengenace's shield and it's nice to have some shooting finally.

[PG_Purplecow]

Yeah, that would be rough. I'm definitely thinking of using him consistently with Pdenny and Mortenebra...Even the games I lost were a lot of fun!

[thevampiredio]

So the Kraken can (in a super round) shoot up to 10 times?

Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Rapid fire - kill - Big Gun
Big Gun - kill - Big Gun

Seems kind of silly to have so many shots if it works