Final L&L Masters lists....last minute tweaking?

[joelker41]

Alright, I have played these 3 lists quite a lot in the last few months and they have performed well. Rahn, Ossyan, and Kaelyssa are my 3 preliminary qualifier casters.

Onto the lists:

Army Name: Kaelyssa Disco Masters
Retribution of Scyrah
50+7 points, 33 models

Kaelyssa, Night's Whisper +7 points
* Banshee 10 points
* Discordia 10 points
* Phoenix 10 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
10 Dawnguard Sentinels 9 points
* Sentinel Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
House Shyeel Artificer 3 points
10 Houseguard Halberdiers 7 points
* Halberdier Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point


Its weird to look at I know. The three heavies, two full melee units, and the Artificer make the list very odd. However, it has performed very well so far in testing. The combination of range hate, magic hate, and tons of throw away infantry has proven fun and effective. Only real change might be artificer for pEiryss. I am digging my Force Wall right now though. Haven't tried it with pEiryss.


Reinforcements:

Probably full MHSF + UA. Might do 2xMHA, A+H, and a Ghost Sniper.

Army Name: Ossyan Masters
Retribution of Scyrah
50+6 points, 39 models

Lord Arcanist Ossyan +6 points
* Banshee 10 points
* Hypnos 9 points
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker 2 points

Arcanist 1 point
10 Houseguard Halberdiers 7 points
* Halberdier Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
2x Mage Hunter Assassin 2 points each
10 Mage Hunter Strike Force 8 points
* Mage Hunter Commander 2 points
Stormfall Archers 5 points
Stormfall Archers 5 points


My ' I want to only have to win one game with this' list LOL. Has lost to a bizarre eSorscha assassination but besides that I haven't had issues with much. Realizing finally thar feating with him is better later than sooner really upped my winning % a lot.

Reinforcements: No bloody clue. Tried a second banshee but Ossyan needs to stay to far back for it to be a myrmidon IMO. Arcanist + Daemon also crossed my mind.


Army Name: Rahn Masters
Retribution of Scyrah
50+6 points, 37 models

Adeptis Rahn +6 points
* Banshee 10 points
* Phoenix 10 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
10 Dawnguard Sentinels 9 points
* Sentinel Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution 3 points
House Shyeel Battle Mages 5 points
2x Mage Hunter Assassin 2 points each
10 Nyss Hunters 10 points


My main list. Hasnt actually lost yet, which may actually be bad because its harder to judge my mistakes with it. I love everything in the list.

Reinforcements: Full MHSF will probably be the call here. That gives me a TON of threat across the whole board and with Force Hammer I can end a game with them really quickly.

[CaladanCid]

Alright, I have played these 3 lists quite a lot in the last few months and they have performed well. Rahn, Ossyan, and Kaelyssa are my 3 preliminary qualifier casters.

Adeptis Rahn +6 points
* Banshee 10 points
* Phoenix 10 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
10 Dawnguard Sentinels 9 points
* Sentinel Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution 3 points
House Shyeel Battle Mages 5 points
2x Mage Hunter Assassin 2 points each
10 Nyss Hunters 10 points


My main list. Hasnt actually lost yet, which may actually be bad because its harder to judge my mistakes with it. I love everything in the list.

Reinforcements: Full MHSF will probably be the call here. That gives me a TON of threat across the whole board and with Force Hammer I can end a game with them really quickly.

How are the Nyss holding up? I would rather take a unit of Stormfalls, two Magisters, and a Soulless for the mages. But, I don't play with Nyss so maybe I am missing out as I don't have the table experience with them.

[joelker41]

How are the Nyss holding up? I would rather take a unit of Stormfalls, two Magisters, and a Soulless for the mages. But, I don't play with Nyss so maybe I am missing out as I don't have the table experience with them.

Nyss are generally considered the best infantry in the game unsupported or supported.

Polarity shield on them and Rahn with Force field up minimizing AoE damage is an incredible combination.

[Murkhadh]

Nyss are sooo good If they weren't characers they would make a lot of lists for me.

the lists look good, the only thing that I would consider is with Rahn dropping the banshee for a second phoenix, or some way getting a second arcnode, the banshee seems redundant to me with all of the knockdown rahn already has.

[Murkhadh]

Your Kae list isn't too different than mine, a matchup I noticed was a pain when I played it last was iron fleshed kayazay.

[CaladanCid]

Nyss are generally considered the best infantry in the game unsupported or supported.

Polarity shield on them and Rahn with Force field up minimizing AoE damage is an incredible combination.

Yes I am familiar with Nyss and their reputation. I was more asking how they were performing in this list. A reason why I mentioned Stormfalls was exactly because of things like IF Kayazy.

[Murkhadh]

Yes I am familiar with Nyss and their reputation. I was more asking how they were performing in this list. A reason why I mentioned Stormfalls was exactly because of things like IF Kayazy.

Rahn has other ways to deal with if kayazay, which was part of reason I was saying second phoenix.

[joelker41]

Nyss have been great with him.

Kaelyssa and Kayazy actually isn't that bad. Popping Rifts, combustion, and just walking a banshee up to them all can neutralize them.

[Murkhadh]

Nyss have been great with him.

Kaelyssa and Kayazy actually isn't that bad. Popping Rifts, combustion, and just walking a banshee up to them all can neutralize them.

What does the banshee do to them at def 19?

[joelker41]

What does the banshee do to them at def 19?

I have won 3 straight games vs Khador just throwing a banshee into the middle of kayazy. Wailing prevents charges so they are all dice -7. Then I just target my banshee with rifts after they engage. Takes them at least a turn or two to get around him, and they wont do enough damage.

You don't bring Kaelyssa vs Khador out of those 3 casters.

Just because something is DEF 19 doesn't mean you have to hit DEF 19.

[Murkhadh]

I have won 3 straight games vs Khador just throwing a banshee into the middle of kayazy. Wailing prevents charges so they are all dice -7. Then I just target my banshee with rifts after they engage. Takes them at least a turn or two to get around him, and they wont do enough damage.

You don't bring Kaelyssa vs Khador out of those 3 casters.

Just because something is DEF 19 doesn't mean you have to hit DEF 19.

I see what your saying, but the same phoenix, doesn't just shut them down combust auto kills them and you get the arcnode and longer threat range and everything else thats cool about a phoenix.

[joelker41]

I see what your saying, but the same phoenix, doesn't just shut them down combust auto kills them and you get the arcnode and longer threat range and everything else thats cool about a phoenix.

I basically got into this faction because of the Phoenix and Kaelyssa LOL. The Phoenix is easily my favorite way to spend 10 points in all the factions i have played. Banshee is darn close though.

I have been using Rahn as my incursion caster a lot. Having a Banshee stay back while the troops/Phoenix take the brunt of feats like eDenny and eHaley I have a ranged slam into those zones just waiting. Safely out of feat range.

I would love a second Phoenix with Rahn, I may go that route in the end, final few playtest games are on Thursday.

My biggest issue right now is reinforcements. MHSF for Rahn seems good. May stick with that.

[Vicarious]

How do you like taking only one unit of Battle Mages with Rahn? That and the single Arc Node are the two things that pop out most to me. What's the method behind this madness? I've been debating on taking my second unit out and subbing some other stuff in...

[joelker41]

How do you like taking only one unit of Battle Mages with Rahn? That and the single Arc Node are the two things that pop out most to me. What's the method behind this madness? I've been debating on taking my second unit out and subbing some other stuff in...

Well Rahn generally is better when he can bring some bruising infantry and not built entirely around the feat. I mostly just use the Battle Mages to go threaten a zone or objective. Being careful with placement and knowing when to feat is more important than 2 battle Mage units.

I see Rahn's feat more like eVayl's feat. Just saves you focus and allows you to pop a second chain blast or a boosted force hammer and chain blast. Pushing/pulling heavies into weapon master charge range is good as well obviously.

I am admittedly breaking the mold a bit without the second arc node, but as I said the list hasn't really lost because of it. The second slam is really nice to have around.