Ossyan- Jack Heavy? 35 pts.

[MMMMK]

Hey all,

I've been looking at my lists a lot recently and wanted to start running more 'jack heavy lists. I think that Ossyan has a lot of tools to pull this kind of list off and I've come up with the following list:

Ossyan -6
*Manticore 2
*Manticore 8
*Hypnos 9

Full Sentinels 9
*UA 2
*Soulless 1

Lanyssa 2
2x Arcanist 2

The thinking here is that the Manticores are big and scary and synergize very well with both Lanyssa and Ossyan's Chronomancer and Quicken. With a potential 13.5" threat on the charge, free charges, and some focus efficiency from Chronomancer I think that they are a very credible melee threat. They also provide some pow 12 shooting if I need them to kill important solos or just to generally clear out some infantry. Plus, on feat turn, their pow 12s are very capable of killing most warcasters/warlocks. Not to mention covering fire...

Hypnos is there to provide some good denial as well as decent melee accuracy. Lanyssa I think is a huge help to our 'jack heavy lists because of the free charge.

The main thing that I'm considering changing is swapping the Sentinels out for the MHSF. As is, I would mostly be using the Sents as the first wave to cause some damage and to allow my Mantis to get into position. Any thoughts on this?

Any thoughts on the list as a whole? I'm not too into building Ossy around the feat turn, I think that the Manticore guns and Ossyan himself can make enough use of the feat when going for a ranged assassination.

[MMMMK]

Also, do you guys think that Hypnos is worth it in this list? I don't have any experience with Hypnos yet but in theory the gun is well worth it for disabling an enemy heavy and can accomplish that for only 1 or 0 focus each turn. But if I remove Hypnos and the Soulless I can instead add some more grunts on the ground. Any thoughts?

[HyperDeath]

Hypnos isn't your problem, but the sentinels have no buisiness being in an Ossy army. You really aren't gonna need 2 manti's since they require alot of focus to be effective in most scenarios (though your arcanists help). drop one and get some mage hunters or riflemen, and i recommend swapping the sents and their soulles with full invictors and UA

one more thing. If you keep your jacks in and unchanged, i recommend finding room for Sylys, if for nothing else just to save focus.

[Murkhadh]

Hypnos is generally worth it with Ossyan, Sentinels with quicken are actually good but you probably have enough armor cracking already. 2 mantis isn't bad either, covering fire is better in pairs. 2 fully loaded manti's on Ossyans feat turn can wreck a heavy with just their guns.

Don't waste your time with the riflemen, mhsf, invictors or stormfalls are all worlds better.

[MMMMK]

I think Murk got what I was going for with this list. The Sents are meant to be quickened turn 1, charging turn 2, and dead by turn 4 at the latest. They are meant to be a first wave to soften up hard targets and infantry for the Mantis.

As far as focus efficiency goes, I do think that the list can run without Sylys. Obviously I can't give 3 focus to all 3 'jacks on any given turn, but Hypnos will be shooting until the end game (requiring 1 focus from an arcanist), I can still load up both Manticores on any given turn while upkeeping one spell or I can load up the manticores only enough to get a boosted combo-attack off with them.

Two things I should have mentioned before are that Sylys is already being used by my other SR list, and secondly I will be using this list mostly against Hordes and whatever else matches up badly with my main list (a shooty, unit heavy Garryth list specialized against Warmachine).

[joelker41]

You can run 2 manticores and Hypnos is 35, I really wouldn't recommend it though. Way to many lists will out threat your heavies and most heavies don't care about covering fire.

I think it OS more of a 50 point concept. Planning to use a Manticore to shpot on feat turn when you could use MHSF or Stormfalls for that seems less than ideal. I haven't played a game yet where I really wanted to hand out 6 focus or more with Ossyan. He's to fragile.

[MMMMK]

You can run 2 manticores and Hypnos is 35, I really wouldn't recommend it though. Way to many lists will out threat your heavies and most heavies don't care about covering fire.

I think it OS more of a 50 point concept. Planning to use a Manticore to shpot on feat turn when you could use MHSF or Stormfalls for that seems less than ideal. I haven't played a game yet where I really wanted to hand out 6 focus or more with Ossyan. He's to fragile.

Hmm, I think that you have a good point. The main thing I've been worried about is that I won't be able to really protect Ossyan with Admonition or Quicken. I suppose I'll just have to play test it and see how it works. I always manage to get Ossyan killed, the guy is like tissue paper whyen he gets hit.

[joelker41]

Well the more I.play Ossyan the less I use the feat. The last 3 games I played (and won with him) I only feated in one game. There are a whole lot of nice stuff Ossyan and Hypnos pull off without feating early.

It does depend on matchup as well, I honestly don't think that there are a lot of matchups where you want to feat turn 2. It exposes you to much, especially when your opponent also has a feat to use.

I could have just gotten lucky in matchups (Mercs, eDenny, and Trolls) but there wasn't really a turn I felt feating was incredibly needed except when I could walk up with stormfalls and nuke bane thralls that had engaged my stormfalls. Two straight games I used ranked attacks to shoot into the middle of stealth units LOL. I could also be nuts to LOL.