Vlad3 and Kreoss3 feat?

[x3tsniper]

I blame Beast 09 for us probably not getting Iron Horse. Tall in the saddle would be sick with thresher. ~.^

[OldIronEyes]

I blame Beast 09 for us probably not getting Iron Horse. Tall in the saddle would be sick with thresher. ~.^

Not to be terribly late to the party, but have we confirmed we're not getting Iron Horse? The feats description may be just generous to include non-battlegroup jacks, as we have a fair amount of marshals, and pVlad was one of the few Warcasters in Khador who could pull off a largely marshal'd army.

[MollyHatchet]

In all honesty... I would really hate to see him get Iron Horse. Its one of the defining abilities to Kraye, and it would just make me feel something terrible to see it bandied around a bit with other factions.

But I do find it rather amusing to see "Cool, they havent said we are NOT getting it! So there is a chance!"

[Marth]

The feats description may be just generous to include non-battlegroup jacks, as we have a fair amount of marshals...

Nice catch right there! Though I wouldn't count three marshals "a fair amount", there is suddenly some legitimacy to them (well, aside from the mechanics (I mean, using them as JMs) I guess). The Kovnik especially, because Sidestep triggering on hits loves boosted attack rolls.

[Raktra]

He could grant free runs and charges to his battlegroup as a base rule for all we know. It's not unheard of.

[OrsusSmash]

If you didn't see it over in the Ret Forums, there's a spoiler about Hyperions gun:

RNG 10 POW 18 AOE 5" Critical Consume (On a Critical hit, any small based non-warcaster/non-warlock model hit is RFP).

That could be extremely bad for some of our combo's - jack support will get eaten if not positioned careful. On a critical hit, Souls wouldn't be availiable to Reclaimers/HR/Testament, possibility of some of our very resilient models getting one shotted (Exemplar Senechal and Covenant). It's also one more good reason to not take the Harbinger/pirates list against Ret, of course, as it would bypass tough rolls on the Crit.

Until we get the exact wording, it's best not to freak out about this gun. While a big honkin' AoE gun with a good POW isn't out of the question (and will be very unpleasant,) it's just as likely that Crit Consume could be "model directly hit," or something like that.

As I mentioned before, it doesn't pay to get all worked up about really early spoilers. It's certainly fun to speculate, but without more clarification/corroboration, we need to take all these spoilers (including the fun ones, like Vlad3's feat and Infernal Machine being on his spell list) with a grain of salt.

Tomorrow, we'll have something more concrete to chew on. Not that chewing on concrete is particularly pleasant.

[quindraco]

The sheer amount of DOOM in your post is staggering. Nothing about that gun is broken on the face of it. And in no way does it invalidate the use of small based models even remotely. Are you really serious with this level of reaction? Because it's so far out there I don't believe it.

I just don't believe you really think it's that over the top.

There is no DOOM in my post at all, in fact my post is the exact opposite of DOOM in every way, because my post is saying that I have serious doubts that PP would put out such a broken gun. I'm really confused as to how you're interpreting what I said the way you are, so hopefully this clarifies. Once again, I am in no way expressing the sentiment that the sky is falling, and in fact am expressing the polar opposite, that I am confident it is not falling and will not fall.

[quindraco]

Scott: it's quindraco.

On the feat : that it does not offer free charge for warjacks seems strange. Did they really think 1~2 focus bonus breaks Vlad ?

The artwork of Vlad3 makes me think he's not using the lance rule and instead have a reach spear, hopefully that's the case, lance is a terrible rule.

Apparently I have some sort of reputation? Could you please point out any post I've ever made in which I expressed DOOM? The worst I can think of that I've ever done in that regard is publicly wonder how PP would resolve the 'enemy' keyword in spells in the IKRPG; everyone told me I was asking a nonsense question, and then the latest NQ established that yes, they are keeping the enemy keyword like I thought they would, so the question remains unanswered.

[x3tsniper]

Maybe he is confusing you with me. I will see you all on the anti infantry side of town! Muhahahaha!

[ReaverQueen]

Hyperion's gun is fine because the rest of the model is gonna be poo like all the other Ret jacks.

[Crazy Uncle Doug]

Apparently I have some sort of reputation? Could you please point out any post I've ever made in which I expressed DOOM? The worst I can think of that I've ever done in that regard is publicly wonder how PP would resolve the 'enemy' keyword in spells in the IKRPG; everyone told me I was asking a nonsense question, and then the latest NQ established that yes, they are keeping the enemy keyword like I thought they would, so the question remains unanswered.

We also have it on good authority -- and by "good authority" I mean "sheer speculation" -- that you also hate puppies, kittens, and apple pie.

[jdeckert]

It's the opposite. You have to resolve any abilities that generate additional attacks after any abilities that do not.

This is wrong. Effects that do not generate attack resolve first. So for Fenris it should be 1. initial attack. 2. Sidestep. 3. Berserk attacks. 4. Second initial. 5. Sidestep. 6. Berserk attacks.

[x3tsniper]

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...-Caitlin-Finch!

While being vague:

Nemo stats with Charger RAT, jack points equal to Jr points cost
Lightning Field - ignore lightning immune models when determining e-leaps

Gun has rng of CTRL with eleap d3 and usual leap POW
Still has the ability to spend focus to boost his CTRL

Spells:
Chain Lightning
Failsafe
Lightning Shroud
Eletrify
Force Hammer

Feat: +1 die to electrical damage rolls on models in his ctrl

Finch
Arcane Assist (free upkeep)
Arcantrik Attunement - Warjacks allocated focus in her CMD (same as hammersmith PC) gain an additional focus when allocated focus (up to normal limit)



So, this is N3mo. From the spoiled feats, and now seeing nemo, I am guessing that the feats are a little underwhelming(or somewhat simple?) while the model's rules and spells will be overwhelming awesome. That isn't to say the feats are bad though, but I hope this is all around. I cant wait for tonight when the book is spoiled. Oo

I guess this is what they meant when they said field presence.

[DemonCalibre]

Quindraco I think your overstating the power of the gun.

Crit: Consume is strong, when it happens which is not that frequently, and by and large it is not a great deal stronger then setting things on fire(actually in many situations it's worse, because I can't consume, a caster, beast, medium based model but I can set them on fire), and this is presuming the models don't just drop dead from pow 9 blast damage in the first place. I will bet you 5 bucks, that in practice Crit-Consume becomes a non issue as your boys will either just drop dead to the gun, or you won't crit when you need it.

And it's range 10, which means unless it has snipe that thing has to be right on top of you to do it, at 20 points, paint me unimpressed.

[ReaverQueen]

I agree the gun's stronger element is POW 9 blast. The crit effect is just kind of eh.


Good for certain situations though. Taking away some of those recurring Cryx units, for example.

[Peg leg Pete]

so, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this feat give the marauder something people have been saying it needs for a while now? assuming you're able to get in into combat with both arms attached, vlad can pop feat, the marauder can slam something, then follow it up and beat it to death.

personally, if vlad can speed up jacks like people are hoping, it might be sort of fun to take a pair of them and just beat face. heck, a pair of them that are able to close quickly on oposite sides of a colossal might put a serious dent in it.

[PG_LunarSol]

so, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this feat give the marauder something people have been saying it needs for a while now? assuming you're able to get in into combat with both arms attached, vlad can pop feat, the marauder can slam something, then follow it up and beat it to death.

personally, if vlad can speed up jacks like people are hoping, it might be sort of fun to take a pair of them and just beat face. heck, a pair of them that are able to close quickly on oposite sides of a colossal might put a serious dent in it.

That largely depends on the distance of the slam. 2/3rds of the time you're going to still be stranded. While follow up would help immensely, without being able to easily buy more attacks, its not nearly as helpful as it is for the warbeasts with it.

[quindraco]

Quindraco I think your overstating the power of the gun.

Crit: Consume is strong, when it happens which is not that frequently, and by and large it is not a great deal stronger then setting things on fire(actually in many situations it's worse, because I can't consume, a caster, beast, medium based model but I can set them on fire), and this is presuming the models don't just drop dead from pow 9 blast damage in the first place. I will bet you 5 bucks, that in practice Crit-Consume becomes a non issue as your boys will either just drop dead to the gun, or you won't crit when you need it.

And it's range 10, which means unless it has snipe that thing has to be right on top of you to do it, at 20 points, paint me unimpressed.

Boosting to hit, it means the gun has a roughly 40% shot of simply RFPing your IFP, regardless of ARM or toughness (so e.g. pIrusk's feat won't help), same with AKs. Kayazies and Nyss will simply die to the POW, as has already been noted. Kossites die to absolutely everything, including this, and mechaniks won't survive significantly better. If the gun is this good, the only small-based unit you can put down that has a snowball's chance in hell of taking one of these to the face is a WGI deathstar, and it's even WORSE for Cygnar. I am beyond skeptical that PP would introduce a gun like this. Have you ever had crit consume used on you? I've lost Fenris at full health to it without a tough roll, and it's pretty upsetting when your ARM and Tough don't matter.

If the gun has crit consume, then it's got to only consume the model directly hit. A 5" AOE of consumption is just too powerful.

[Esper]

Is there an existing model with crit consume in the game?

[quindraco]

Is there an existing model with crit consume in the game?

Yep - Dahlia Hallyr's character warbeast, Skarath, has it on his melee attack. It's powerful on that, but she's still unpopular for other reasons not applicable to Hyperion.

[Demeritus]

To be honest Quin I wouldn't be surprised if Hyperion had nothing like that gun so I am not getting my hopes up about that spoiler/rumour.

[Ganso]

Anybody noticed that Nemo_3 got a new signature spell? (I believe it's new). I hope this means Vlad_3 gets a new one also cause it was kinda disappointing to have Hark borrowing spells from all over

Edit: Nevermind, just doubled check my forces of Cygnar :P

[Peg leg Pete]

That largely depends on the distance of the slam. 2/3rds of the time you're going to still be stranded. While follow up would help immensely, without being able to easily buy more attacks, its not nearly as helpful as it is for the warbeasts with it.

Hmm. hadn't thought about that. Well, if nothing else, you could judge the distance of the slam and either take the 2" movement to reposition or try to move away...or at least out of the way of a back up jack who can get stuck in.