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[Gaston]

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Kreoss3:

Stats: eKreoss, but with Spd+3, Mat+1, Arm+1, the rest is unchanged. Has Signs and Portents on his melee, and Vengers get it as well from his elite cadre.

Melee Weapon: Reach, Brutal Charge, Blessed, same Pow as before

Spells: Crevasse, Death Sentence, Force Hammer, Holy Ward, Ignite, Warpath

Feat: purify enemy upkeeps and animi, then cast upkeeps for free.

Judicator:

Two open fists, they hit as hard as Stormwall's.

Has 2 repenter guns and 2 redeemer guns. The redeemer guns only shoot once but have a secondary deviation rule like chain blast. Rng and Pow is 2 less than DSC.

It is 2 lower defense than the other colossals. Same base armor, mat, and rat as most Protectorate jacks.

Judicator is automatically allocated a point of focus as long as its subsystem is intact.

[KhisanthMagus]

Kreoss...with crevasse and force hammer? o.O

[Charming]

Damn you beat me to it Looks pretty sweet. Not sure it's as good as the stormwall but we'll just have to see. Secondary deviations at pow 8 (9 with sevvy1) are always nice, and flamethrowers are sweet as well.

Kreoss seems nice too, S&P is sweet

[Errant_knight]

If thats all to the Judicator I am sad. Hopefully they left something else in reserve. I am intreigued by Kreoss3 though.

Every other Collosal has some serious range power, and we seem to be all about close quarters again.

[jandrese]

Dammit, I spent too much time making my post look pretty.

[Gaston]

If thats all to the Judicator I am sad. Hopefully they left something else in reserve. I am intreigued by Kreoss3 though.

I was kinda afraid that we'd get just a straight beater jack. Played against Stormwall yesterday, that thing is amazing.

Dammit, I spent too much time making my post look pretty.

Lol, I posted ugly then cleaned it up :P

[Ivellis]

At least it's only 18 points.

[Rinion]

Warpath will be neat, i suppose? Maybe? Rest seems silly! Crevasse and Force Hammer? And no arm buff for himself, or Weaponmaster? Guess he'll be relegated to back line caster again, so much for having a fun frontline guy.

Also, was really expecting our Collassal to be the 20pt one and be a monster. Can it even do anything like flame walls or something?

[Rinion]

*edit* Double post

[garwjenk]

Well if that is it for the judicator... Pretty meh, don't know if I will be spending the big bucks on it.

Also, forgive my ignorance, but... S&P?

[jandrese]

Anyway, lets look at the spell list for a sec:

* crevasse: Wicked expensive attack spell that can really mess up shieldwalls but generally doesn't seem to be worth it when I see it used.
* death sentence: You know, I almost never use this spell on pSevvy. Maybe Kreoss will be better for it.
* force hammer: Man Kreoss has an expensive spell list, and he's not like eNemo with his crazy focus efficiency either. Still, this is a killer spell, a real game ender if used properly.
* holy ward: Better than Inviolable Resolve, solid, and the first spell his feat actually works on
* ignite: Hmm, an offensive and defensive upkeep on the same caster (that isn't pSevvy?), what is the world coming to. Solid, if a little boring.
* warpath: completely worthless, only works on warbeasts. Ok, so lets assume the wording was fixed. This is a solid spell, especially for the Fire of Salvation or the Scourge of Heresy. Opens up a lot of trick attack vectors. Doesn't work on the Judicator though, so people who thought all of the casters would have good synergy with their Colossal were pretty much wrong.

Now lets look at his feat, Enemy only Purification plus he gets to put up two RNG 6 upkeep spells and Warpath (a 6 focus savings! eNemo gets more focus than that for just getting out of bed!). His feat is officially weaksauce. His defensive stats aren't going to keep him alive either, although Holy Ward will certainly help some of you're willing to give up Warpath.

So as a backfield caster, well, he has decent but unexceptional upkeeps (except for perhaps Warpath) and a couple of extremely expensive attack spells. You're going to need Wracks, Hierophant, Reclaimers and an Arc Node I think. Or just run him for his buffs and say to heck with offensive spellcasting.

Oh, S&P on impact attacks will help the Vengers a TON. Making them even somewhat reliable will open up so many opportunities.

[Gaston]

S&P: Signs and Portents

[jandrese]

Warpath will be neat, i suppose? Maybe? Rest seems silly! Crevasse and Force Hammer? And no arm buff for himself, or Weaponmaster? Guess he'll be relegated to back line caster again, so much for having a fun frontline guy.

Also, was really expecting our Collassal to be the 20pt one and be a monster. Can it even do anything like flame walls or something?

Self Signs and Portents makes up for lack of weaponmaster a little bit. I assume he'll still be P+S 14, and his weapon will probably do something situational.

[jandrese]

LOL, Conquest is DEF 7. Taking out the movement won't matter.

[garwjenk]

Isn't death sentence an upkeep as well? But still, weaksauce, agreed.

[garwjenk]

S&P: Signs and Portents

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

[jandrese]

Oh man, Gaspy3 got Mobility and Carnage. I can't wait for MAT 10 Bane Thralls and the Nightmare going how far?!?

The only good thing is that Mobility isn't an upkeep, so there is a big chicken and egg problem with trying to use it to get a Bonejack into position.

[jandrese]

Isn't death sentence an upkeep as well? But still, weaksauce, agreed.

You are correct good sir. Shows you how often I use that spell. So it's an 8 FOC feat, which at least double his FOC stat kind of.

I think an arc node is going to be essential to the list, just to pass out the RNG 6 buffs at least.

[Charming]

I think Kreoss is gonna stay in featbot mode this incarnation as well. Getting two fully powered jacks, two ignite charges on potentially two death sentenced targets is probably gonna be the make it or break it point. Vengers will probably be pretty nice with decent ability to really get their blessed lances where they want to with errants shooting stuff out of the way and S&P impact attacs.

Also, think a Guardian might be nice with him. Warpath makes up for speed, death sentence makes for a higher chance of crit pitch (if you want that) and it's nice to have an arc node.

[jandrese]

The problem with Death Sentence is it has short range and anything worth using it on requires you to boost the hit. Still, it's going to be free on the feat turn so why not at least try?

[Errant_knight]

Because bane thralls needed more help to be the only unit I ever see when playing cryx.

[Rinion]

Think it has Brutal Charge + Blessed, sp PS16 on the one charge attack with blessed ought to ruin some 'casters day, but i doubt he'll ever be that far upfield given his stats. *Edit* guess he can Ignite himself for free on the feat turn, for One PS18, and up to 8 PS16's? Not *terrible* i guess. Can also forcehammer one of your guys in the back for 3 focus too i suppose!

Battegroup = FoS, SoH and a Guardian?

*Editedit*

Judicatior is Speed 4, with Innacurate rockets, i think i'll pass this one for now!

[Flack Jack]

If it has redeemer rockets that will give him awesome range. I will also gladly take 2 blasts to the d3 I was fearing. I mean you give something flamefists, flamethrowers and skyhammers and you are going to wreck infantry.That's what I expected and that appears to be what we have here.

[jandrese]

Vlad 3 has infernal machine, can't decide weather to put it on the Behemoth on Conquest.

[jandrese]

If it has redeemer rockets that will give him awesome range. I will also gladly take 2 blasts to the d3 I was fearing. I mean you give something flamefists, flamethrowers and skyhammers and you are going to wreck infantry.That's what I expected and that appears to be what we have here.

I was hoping for 2 additional blasts on each rocket (ala Herne and Jonne), but this isn't unexpected. 6 blasts a turn (probably) if you use Ancillary attack, which should make it popular with eFeora.

[jandrese]

Vyros2 has Synergy.

Maybe we'll see some of those mythical Retribution light jacks on the table now.

[Alzer]

4 Upkeeps with that feet. Hooo yeah that's money. Also good to see Death Sentance again. I'm really interested to give him a swing.

I'm gonna go buy out all the vengers at my FLGS I think. Surely I don't need that $100 sitting in my bank account!

Pops him up to...17ARM now? So Reznik level, not too shabby (Not invincible granted but he can camp harder).

Why would Judicator be the Expensive one? We ALWAYS get the cheap stuff. And then add Choir, and make it amazing. 18pts will see that thing in a list or two of mine. Can't complain about the guns since they're pretty much what we were expecting. Two 8" sprays and four 3" Aoes per turn from the same model ain't half bad. Will have to see on small finicky special rules. Plus free focus!

[SnakeEyes]

Kreoss3 only has two upkeeps worthy of the feat + a free "Purification" so that's only 7 focus worth. Still, it's good. At least it's equivalent to eVayle's feat.
(Made the same comment in the other thread but moving to this one.)

I'm thinking Kreoss3 is supposed to be a spell slinger. His feat turn just allows him to avoid paying upkeep costs so he can use it all to cast more spells.
Yes, Wracks and a Hierophant will be mandatory with him. As well as a Reclaimer, Sanctifier, and/or Judicator.

In on turn, he can cast:
3 Crevasses, good for infantry clearing
2 Force Hammers (one boosted), good for assassination runs


And, also, Ignited Vengers with S&P tacked on can REALLY hurt some stuff.
S&P works out to be about +2 to hit and damage. http://privateerpressforums.com/show...s-amp-portents
So, on the charge, Vengers are effectively MAT 12 and P+S 18 (without Battle Driven). P+S 20 with Battle Driven.
That's nice.

[Jake the Dog]

Defense 7 Conquest? That just sucks big time.

[Flack Jack]

I know he says the rockets work like chain blast but I'm hoping he really meant like scattershot because you get the other blasts after deviating were as chainblast has to hit, and with an inaccurate jack that is a nasty requirement.

[paradox]

Judicator rockets are RNG14 POW14. Otherwise spoilers on that is accurate.

[Alzer]

Take Judicator.
Feat
Add death sentance to something you want to shoot a lot.
Add Rockets
Laugh in a hearty victorious fashion (You're the leader of the Exemplars not some mad scientist!)

I can see Kr3oss enjoying the presence of an Arc Node for sure. I'm thinking FoS, Revenger (Free), and a Reckoner/Vanquisher/Redeemer. Throw in some Vengers, Choir/Vassal, and Gravus. For 35pts

Kinda sad but not terribly surprsied that Judicator is so easy to hit. Oh well. Give it to a caster with Arm buffs. Add passage etc. "Yes my Colossal takes up half the table, no you may not shoot it."

[SnakeEyes]

At 18, I can live with Judicators abilities. It's not flashy but it works. Was really hoping for some anti-infantry stopping like Conquest and Stormwall. Something beyond it's main weapons, like Flame Walls or Incinerates. Holy #$% did Cygnar and Khador make out well, especially Cygnar. And it only cost them 1 more than our collossal. *sad face*

I'm not too upset about getting two nerfed Redeemers in the Judicator.
First, a little less than half the time I'm doing "focused fire" on one target with my Redeemers and am boosting to hit and damage anyways, not buying extra shots.
Second, it still hits like a heavy jack. So it's essentially 2 nerfed Redeemers (4-5 each) + 2 Repenters + 1 Crusader. That's 22-24 points. Still a bargain.

[Charming]

Judicator rockets are RNG14 POW14. Otherwise spoilers on that is accurate.

Well I'd say that's better than RNG16 POW12 since there is a bit of a difference between POW16/9 and 14/8

I'm with Flack Jack on the chain blast vs scattershot though

[SnakeEyes]

What has Chain Blast?
EDIT: Never mind. Found it. Rahn's spell.

That's like a huge funny joke if you need to hit with an Inaccurate jack to trigger the extra AOE's. Ahh... good one, PP. You got us Menites.

[Gavriel]

The rockets on it have chain blast, so they deviate twice. I'd call it better than redeemer shots because while they are lower range, they are higher pow and don't cost 3 focus to get the same volume of fire.

[Flack Jack]

His sweep power attacks will be pow 20 with EoM and Infuse. I want to see him pimp slap jacks and med infantry with that.

[garwjenk]

The rockets on it have chain blast, so they deviate twice. I'd call it better than redeemer shots because while they are lower range, they are higher pow and don't cost 3 focus to get the same volume of fire.

Six blasts! That's sweet.

[Gavriel]

I was really hoping the reliquary would give it something else in addition to the focus point. I am especially disapointed that it doesn't have anything to keep bane thralls from just charging it and killing it. Gotta pray for good deviations.

[Charming]

His sweep power attacks will be pow 20 with EoM and Infuse. I want to see him pimp slap jacks and med infantry with that.

Nah, Stormwall has P+S 20 fists so the Jud will be P+S23 with battle and EoM

The rockets on it have chain blast, so they deviate twice

If it has chain blast the Jud will have to HIT in order to get the extra deviation. That, on an inaccurate warjack doesn't seem very good, even though you can boost both shots to just one point of focus cost for the warcaster.