Gaspy3 spoiled.

[Sheer_Falacy]

pDenny wasn't Apotheosis, she was prime.

Scything touch is damage, carnage is hit.

Kromac is pow 14, his only upside in melee is a) 14 fury and b) he can actually get to the enemy caster. Butcher is better in melee, but butcher is better than everyone in melee. One demo corp is going to need an awful lot of 6s to one shot terminus, and can't do it at all if Darragh is doing his thing or Terminus got any souls.

If the enemy shoots Terminus with an unboostable pow 10, he can just take it. Armies tend to not have all that many high pow boostable shots.

[Scottl1]

LOL, yeah. Scaverous totally shows that. Not.

You seriously think Scaverous is equal to those? Hhmm I can't say that I agree since he spends a lot of focus and a medium base that is not easily screened well.

If your opponent does not go for it vs 3Gaspy then great that's a turn your opponent is doing nothing. That's a turn where banes, dj, or whatever else your bringing is dandy. Well I think if this is to be continued it would have to go to pms since this thread is getting hijacked.

[Scottl1]

pDenny wasn't Apotheosis, she was prime.

Scything touch is damage, carnage is hit.

Kromac is pow 14, his only upside in melee is a) 14 fury and b) he can actually get to the enemy caster. Butcher is better in melee, but butcher is better than everyone in melee. One demo corp is going to need an awful lot of 6s to one shot terminus, and can't do it at all if Darragh is doing his thing or Terminus got any souls.

If the enemy shoots Terminus with an unboostable pow 10, he can just take it. Armies tend to not have all that many high pow boostable shots.

No one said denny was apothesis. But many of the stronger casters in the current edition came out of that book.

[Vex]

You seriously think Scaverous is equal to those? Hhmm I can't say that I agree since he spends a lot of focus and a medium base that is not easily screened well.

Hmm... Medium base. Spends a lot of focus. Difficult to protect. Sounds familiar... Sort of like Gaspy3.

Of course, Scaverous has a better spell list, a reliable offensive feat, and can actually use a skarlock.

[Scottl1]

Hmm... Medium base. Spends a lot of focus. Difficult to protect. Sounds familiar... Sort of like Gaspy3.

Of course, Scaverous has a better spell list, a reliable offensive feat, and can actually use a skarlock.

A reliable feat? That is not as good as say Bethayne who is in a faction with decent spell chuckers to run with her. I also never said the new gaspy was amazing. I said he wasn't awful and had good things about him. I also did state that the new releases in every faction aside from maybe evayl were not as powerful as the older releases. You really like to point out things that have been stated.

[Kommissar Golovko]

Scavy's feat is solid and we do have Sirens and the Combine to buff.

[max2323]

At...I don't know, a good chuck on this thread...If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. Wading through all the whining and complaining to get to any positives is tedious. He's a great looking model with some nifty spells...Is he the best, most game ending thing in the world? No. Is he the worst, most rubbish thing in the world? No. Am I buying him? Yes.

[Morganstern]

Oh, and just to demonstrate how "not good" Gaspy3 is in melee, consider Gaspy1.

MAT 6, P+S 17 (with Scything Touch, P+S 20 with Parasite), Sustained Attack, 14 focus (under feat), and Teleport to escape. In other words, a lot better than Gaspy3. Now, try to remember the last time that Gaspy1 did something game-winning by beating on it with his staff. Yeah, I can't remember any either.

Actually I won a game last week with pGaspy by beating down on my enemy's caster with his pokey stick. In fact I have won several games with pGaspy this way due to failed assassination runs. The main problem is that Mat 6 is not good against high def casters.

[Syfer22]

I think the main thing is that 3Lich is a buffing warcaster in a debuffing faction. People have success with Skarre, he should be fine as well -- Larger base size, yes, but larger control area as well, and beefier.

I personally am disappointed over all with the warcasters released this time around, but that isn't to say they're bad. I think 3Lich will be pretty interesting to play. Not bad, not great, just interesting. We'll see how it plays out.

[GaspysInhaler]

I have to agree with the majority of the sentiments expressed so far in this thread -- which is one of ambivalence.

He is a giant bandaid as a caster, and I can see him essentially playing the same way pMakeda does. Upkeep - Advance - Carnage - Camp focus (Toss in a feat that is dependent on what your opponent does -- Just like pMakeda).

Mobility is a huge trap spell on him as he won't have the focus to run jacks and use his other spells, especially Carnage to help our MAT challenged infantry. He also lacks a clear end-game, and as others have stated the soul mechanic can be extremely difficult to rely on. With potentially huge focus investments each turn, he runs into the same problem Scaverous does with being on a medium base and no inherent defense mechanic (aside from scavvies deathward).

One thing I do like about him over Scaverous and other debuffing casters is the fact that his spells can still be implemented against magic denial enemies. In other words, I can still help my army even when I'm playing against Kromac, Druids, Holy ward, etc. I don't need to make an attack roll against a model/unit to help my chances of killing them. Just nice, simple, control area buffs. It's situations like this where he excels over Scaverous, as you will always be getting at least some mileage out of his spells. Be wary of reprisals though, as often he'll have to be near the front to get the most out of his spells.

\ I'll pick him up and play him just to get a kick out of Ashen Veiled Satyxis or Erebus, along with MAT 7 Mechanithralls.

[Scotty]

He looks good, the Deathjack can always be used to help cycle spells since you can get a free vail or 1 focus touch.

[ResurrectioN]

I've just realised that 3Gaspy can take ILO in his tier list and make him start with soul.
Not that it will help him much, but those ILO fans have more reason to try 3Gaspy.

[Vex]

...those ILO fans...

There are ILO fans? If so, is there a charity or something for them? These people need help, dammit!

[Sanctjud]

There are ILO fans? If so, is there a charity or something for them? These people need help, dammit!

Lamoron signal activate? :3

[ResurrectioN]

There are ILO fans? If so, is there a charity or something for them? These people need help, dammit!

Anything you donate will be spent on Druges and Scavengers.

[PG_69Lazarus]

Venethrax is widely believed to be the worst caster in Cryx.

When did this happen and how did I miss it? Best thing about Cryx is that our "worst" Casters are still better than some of the other faction's casters. lol



Although I am wary of 3Gaspy's survivability, I am excited to give him a try and the model is bananas good lookin. Should be fun.

[Octavius_Maximus]

Hmm wondering if, with mobility, you could walk a reaper 8" through a forest (with pathfinder) and then harpooning in an enemy Jack or model without Pathfinder. Then wail on them. Even if they eventually kill the reaper, they will still have to spend another turn running just to get back into the Fray.

Hell, he'll even get Mat 9 from Carnage.

[Adurot]

But I'd you Marshall anything with the ILO then it's Jacks lose out on the benefit of Mobility.

[Octavius_Maximus]

Cankerworm gets to move in, attack and then, due to his Affinity, move 8" away ignoring terrain.

Or a Mat 8 (or 10 with Carnage+Scything Touch) Pow 18 Thresher from a Harrower. That's basically Beast-09.

Or Mat 9(11) Pow 18 Fists from a 6 point Slayer.

I think Gaspy could be a good jack Caster, he has multiple vectors of Focus and a great movement Spell.

Ive played a 50 point game with Harkevich and Jacks only, and all it took was for him to give +2 move and Pathfinder.

Gaspy can be the same.

Or, of course, The Deathjack with SPD 8, Pow 20 fists and MAT10 or 12.

What is the problem here?

EDIT: Lol, with Prey, you can get Nightmare to MAT14 with Legendairy Gaspy.

[Scotty]

I know everyone is in love with using the Raiders with vail because of how sexy def 18 is, but I'm looking at Bane Knights with vail. They become def 14 arm 18 in melee and if you add DW they are effective def 14 arm 20, screen with cheap mechinthralls and your good to go.

[GaspysInhaler]

Cankerworm gets to move in, attack and then, due to his Affinity, move 8" away ignoring terrain.

Or a Mat 8 (or 10 with Carnage+Scything Touch) Pow 18 Thresher from a Harrower. That's basically Beast-09.

Or Mat 9(11) Pow 18 Fists from a 6 point Slayer.

I think Gaspy could be a good jack Caster, he has multiple vectors of Focus and a great movement Spell.

Ive played a 50 point game with Harkevich and Jacks only, and all it took was for him to give +2 move and Pathfinder.

Gaspy can be the same.

Or, of course, The Deathjack with SPD 8, Pow 20 fists and MAT10 or 12.

What is the problem here?

EDIT: Lol, with Prey, you can get Nightmare to MAT14 with Legendairy Gaspy.

Scything touch does not add to MAT, just damage. Please read the rules on it.

The most Nightmare can get to is MAT 12 against his Prey (MAT 8 + Carnage + Prey = MAT 12).

[Octavius_Maximus]

Ah right, i misread it, im in class/work right now.

Anyway, "only" mat 12 still means you generally dont need to boost against a Caster. After Charging 11" and having 11.5 or 13" threat range is pretty amazing, especially with Pathfinder.

[Adurot]

I think 3Lich could run a couple of Focus efficient jacks well, but I wouldn't really call him a jack caster per say. The spells he's wanting to cast cost too much Focus to fuel many jacks.

[Drzombieface]

I think 3Lich could run a couple of Focus efficient jacks well, but I wouldn't really call him a jack caster per say. The spells he's wanting to cast cost too much Focus to fuel many jacks.

He's a mixed purpose caster.

Vociferon's soul gathering and the WSC's free upkeep can manage his focus problems pretty darn well.

[GaspysInhaler]

Ah right, i misread it, im in class/work right now.

Anyway, "only" mat 12 still means you generally dont need to boost against a Caster. After Charging 11" and having 11.5 or 13" threat range is pretty amazing, especially with Pathfinder.

I understand your reasoning, and were it not for the fragile nature of Nightmare, I would agree with you.

But let's be realistic here. The Nightmare really doesn't need pathfinder because of his imprint, which lets him become Ghostly by spending 1 focus. It is nice to let him save the focus to kill his prey, but if terrain is your issue, he has a built in mechanism around it. However, my main grip is:

The Nightmare, for all intents and purposes, has the durability of a light Jack. He has the exact same SPD, DEF, and ARM as a 6 pt Lancer light jack. He dies -- very quickly -- unless he benefits from his Denny affinity which grants him stealth (which only protects him on the way into combat, not once he has entered it). I'm just not a big Nightmare fan because of his significantly high cost (10 pts is really high in MK2, would much prefer a versatile Harrower), and his squishy nature.

[Octavius_Maximus]

I dunno, I feel like some people have gotten so used to Infantrymachine, that they are a little rusty in their Heavy Jack Tactics.

I think the main thing is that, outside of a few abilities, noone is going to outthreat an 8 SPD Heavy Jack. I mean, thats the SPD i can move Khador Jacks on Strakhov or pVlads feat turns.

Shooting generally wont destroy a heavy Jack. Especially not if you can protect it with Cover and Concealment (Def 14 just for being in a forest or a Cloud is awesome, requiring a boost which will still often miss).

Also, often the best things used to destroy a Cryxian Heavy Jack is another Jack, because they have a good Def, enough that needs a boost, and they are strong enough to do the damage.

Well imagine what happens on the turn when you shove your heavies into range of enemy heavies and then Feat with Legendairy Gaspy? Suddenly Charging=1 soul. Boosting=1 Soul. Extra attacks=1 Soul.

So either your enemy still does it, meaning that you lose a Jack or 2 and suddenly Asphyxious is sitting on quite a sizable pile of Focus (How many Boneshakers would you like? Or Hex blasts? Or cycling Scything Touch onto things?)

So basically If you took a few heavies, some Bonechickens, Cankerworm and then units made to take out enemy infantry you could have a really interesting Assassination list.

Such as:

50 points:

Legendairy Gaspy- +4 Warjack points.
Vociferon
Nightwretch- 4
Nightwretch- 4
Cankerworm- 5
Harrower- 10
Reaper- 7
Slayer- 6

10 Mechanithralls- 5

10 Mechanithralls- 5

Necrosurgeon+Stitch Thralls- 2

Withershadow Combine- 5

Skarlock Thrall- 2


Total- 54.

Just a first Draft, but basically. Carnage makes everything in this army MAT7 at least.

Hex Blast arcing and through the Skarlock helps take anoying upkeeps off units, as does the Withershadow combine.

Ashen Veil goes on one of the Mechanithrall units, or maybe the Withershadow if they are in trouble.

Nightwretches fly around at SPD9 and Pathfinder, arcing Spells and firing off shots at Solos and Light Jacks.

Cankerworm does what he does best, Cleans up Heavies damaged by other models and steals nice weapons. With Asphyxius keeping Mobility on, he has a 12" Charge Range, an attack and then a 9" Advance with Stealth.

Harrower gets into the thick of it and tries to pull off some MAT 8 Threshers.

Slayer generally gets Scything Touch for Pow 18 Claws/beatstickiness.

Reaper runs through cover, pulling in heavies without pathfinder and beating them up.

Mechanithralls run around with MAT 7 beating things up and being a nuisance.

Thats mainly it.

Take the souls, beat the Jacks, Kill the Caster, then you get the women.

Just some thoughts.

[Barrynstein]

Nightwretches have a range of six inches, add to that they arent spd 9until after gaspy activates. So they move wextra two inches and shoot with their terrible rat and probably miss, then get engaged and are no longer viable arc nodes for the next turn. Your best bet would be to takedeathrippers and ripsaws to gain a bonus after they are done with the arc noding which i dont think this gaspy will be doing much of quite frankly, unless to switch sything touch or ashen viel targets.

[Octavius_Maximus]

Yeah, i agree. Ripsaws are probably better. Shooting has its place, and they can boost. Also, dont forget that Pathfinder really is a massive boon, one which cant be forgotten

[Sheer_Falacy]

I know everyone is in love with using the Raiders with vail because of how sexy def 18 is, but I'm looking at Bane Knights with vail. They become def 14 arm 18 in melee and if you add DW they are effective def 14 arm 20, screen with cheap mechinthralls and your good to go.

Could be interesting, but where are they getting the extra +2 arm from?


3Gaspy can't take a skarlock because of Vociferon, so the only scything cycling he can do is leaving it on someone and then putting it on someone else during his activation. That means the first someone doesn't have carnage or mobility, though.

And if you're going to go jack heavy with him I think you very badly need sirens - he can't mobility, carnage, and charge several jacks in the same turn unless you got souls, but you won't have souls until after you've first charged. Power booster would help with that, and carnage would actually allow the sirens to hit things reliably in melee, which would be incredibly useful.

And Cankerworm, sadly, is base speed 6, not 7. Still, 3Gaspy does by far the most for him out of all the Gaspys, and mobility really makes that affinity shine.

[Binz]

Anyway, "only" mat 12 still means you generally dont need to boost against a Caster. After Charging 11" and having 11.5 or 13" threat range is pretty amazing, especially with Pathfinder.

Nightmare does the job just fine with MAT10 to be honest, and for me at least the enemy caster is 90% of the time the prey. I can see this being a major boost for Deathjack though!

[Rabid Bunny]

Also, often the best things used to destroy a Cryxian Heavy Jack is another Jack, because they have a good Def, enough that needs a boost, and they are strong enough to do the damage.

Well imagine what happens on the turn when you shove your heavies into range of enemy heavies and then Feat with Legendairy Gaspy? Suddenly Charging=1 soul. Boosting=1 Soul. Extra attacks=1 Soul.

So either your enemy still does it, meaning that you lose a Jack or 2 and suddenly Asphyxious is sitting on quite a sizable pile of Focus (How many Boneshakers would you like? Or Hex blasts? Or cycling Scything Touch onto things?)

So basically If you took a few heavies, some Bonechickens, Cankerworm and then units made to take out enemy infantry you could have a really interesting Assassination list.

Such as:

50 points:

Legendairy Gaspy- +4 Warjack points.
Vociferon
Nightwretch- 4
Nightwretch- 4
Cankerworm- 5
Harrower- 10
Reaper- 7
Slayer- 6

10 Mechanithralls- 5

10 Mechanithralls- 5

Necrosurgeon+Stitch Thralls- 2

Withershadow Combine- 5

Skarlock Thrall- 2


Total- 54.

Just a first Draft, but basically. Carnage makes everything in this army MAT7 at least.


Ashen Veil goes on one of the Mechanithrall units, or maybe the Withershadow if they are in trouble.

Nightwretches fly around at SPD9 and Pathfinder, arcing Spells and firing off shots at Solos and Light Jacks.

Cankerworm does what he does best, Cleans up Heavies damaged by other models and steals nice weapons. With Asphyxius keeping Mobility on, he has a 12" Charge Range, an attack and then a 9" Advance with Stealth.

Harrower gets into the thick of it and tries to pull off some MAT 8 Threshers.

Slayer generally gets Scything Touch for Pow 18 Claws/beatstickiness.

Reaper runs through cover, pulling in heavies without pathfinder and beating them up.

Mechanithralls run around with MAT 7 beating things up and being a nuisance.

Thats mainly it.

Take the souls, beat the Jacks, Kill the Caster, then you get the women.

Just some thoughts.

One problem is you can't have the Skarlock, Vociferon is his attatchment. I think this list could work, but you'd need a fair few souls to get it to work. At the moment, casting Carnage and Mobility leaves you 2 focus to run all those Jacks. If its your big push turn, you won't have the souls yet. Even a WWS or two to Powerboost would really help this list.

[Vex]

One problem is you can't have the Skarlock, Vociferon is his attatchment. I think this list could work, but you'd need a fair few souls to get it to work. At the moment, casting Carnage and Mobility leaves you 2 focus to run all those Jacks. If its your big push turn, you won't have the souls yet. Even a WWS or two to Powerboost would really help this list.

Actually, after you upkeep Scything Touch and Ashen Veil, you're at 1 focus. No legal amount of WWS are going to make this list work. 3Gaspy is NOT a jack caster. Leave that stuff to the people that are good at it, such as Mortenebra, eSkarre, and Coven.

[PG_69Lazarus]

Although expensive, you can always use the Deathjack to cycle around Scything touch.


I'm looking at his tier list for fun and thinking that I'm going to try that first....

[jonconcarne]

Just for clarification, I wouldn't call Asphyx3ous a jack caster, but he does combined arms very well I think. Also, the Kraken really helps out a lot of casters, especially with all the infantry hate out there. I think Asphyx3ous and both Skarres are going to love him. Also, I think Asphyx3ous can be played very similarly to pSkarre, but better supports his jacks.

I'm thinking for my list to try out first, either the tier or this:


Points: 50/50
Asphyxious the Hellbring & Vociferon (*4pts)
* Cankerworm (5pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Helldiver (3pts)
* Nightwretch (4pts)
* Kraken (19pts)
Bane Knights (Leader and 9 Grunts) (10pts)
Satyxis Blood Witches (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Satyxis Blood Hag (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Bloodwitches are just all around great, and can get to MAT 10, P+S 14/12 with Scything Touch and Carnage, although expensive focus wise. Bane Knights are your anti-armor, plus Ashen Veil on them is great, but could also be good on Bloodwitches as well). Helldivers get extra threat early turns where you're not casting Carnage, and the Kraken gets a 14" melee threat with mobility, which is very nice.

Edit: Oh, and if they kill the Kraken, then Cankerworm walks up and takes his gun, and walks backwards 8". Heck yah

[Swatcoolice]

I like the Look of your List Jon and i have a Kraken so il have to see about giving that a shot. Sadly no Bane knights though so might have to think of a substitue.

[jonconcarne]

I like the Look of your List Jon and i have a Kraken so il have to see about giving that a shot. Sadly no Bane knights though so might have to think of a substitue.

Satyxis Raiders + UA . I'm also debating about them. They don't hit hard enough on their own, but scything touch helps. And Ashen Veil on them makes them last longer in melee. Stuff that killed them before will still do it now, but *shrug* still a good spell on them.

[Kommissar Golovko]

@Scottl1: Poeticruse has confirmed the feat is your interpretation in http://privateerpressforums.com/show...bringer-s-Feat

I'm happy it turned out the way you play him.

[Scottl1]

@Scottl1: Poeticruse has confirmed the feat is your interpretation in http://privateerpressforums.com/show...bringer-s-Feat

I'm happy it turned out the way you play him.

Me too! Now just need him to fight skorne, trolls and any fury busy list. lol

[Morganstern]

Been thinking about a balanced 35pt list for Asphyxious.

Asphyxious the hellbringer & vociferon
Deathjack
Deathripper
Cankerworm
max Mechanithralls + Brute thrall
Necrosergion & stitch thralls
min Bane thralls + officer & standard bearer
Warwitch siren

any thaughts?

[BlackToothGrin]

Personally love the model. Looks immense. Will use him as 3eGaspy but will also use him as eGaspy too (not a huge fan of that model). Can`t wait til his release