Wold Wrath picture

[Ergonus]

You think this thing will have geomancy? I would sure hope so, giving it even more flexibility on the field and can release you from taking megalith or a wold warden in some lists. Sure its a really expensive geomancy but I would love to have that with Baldur's, making it an ideal beast for him in every aspect. I just hope it's animus is worth while, so far all the wolds animi serve a good purpose, but I highly anticipate it being self as the rest of the wold's are so far (poor little druid wilder ).

[magi]

You think this thing will have geomancy? I would sure hope so, giving it even more flexibility on the field and can release you from taking megalith or a wold warden in some lists. Sure its a really expensive geomancy but I would love to have that with Baldur's, making it an ideal beast for him in every aspect. I just hope it's animus is worth while, so far all the wolds animi serve a good purpose, but I highly anticipate it being self as the rest of the wold's are so far (poor little druid wilder ).

I doubt it. Although it isn't likely to have all the abilities that it had in the RPG and it might pick up a new one, geomancy doesn't really fit into the theme presented by that write up. That, and that ability seems to be the defining ability of the Warden. I don't want the Wrath to be a "giant WoldWarden".

[mentat_canis]

I would think it is almost granted that this guy will have Geomancy maybe he will give it boosted attack and damage rolls. I won't be getting one of these as I just play with the living beasts but I hope that he gets some also rules. I really think he might come close to 70 circles on his spiral and arm 19 P&S 18 and fury 4.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

I would think it is almost granted that this guy will have Geomancy maybe he will give it boosted attack and damage rolls. I won't be getting one of these as I just play with the living beasts but I hope that he gets some also rules. I really think he might come close to 70 circles on his spiral and arm 19 P&S 18 and fury 4.

I'd say this is HIGHLY unlikely. We already have a 9 point warbeast with Geomancy, as well as a character with it. Our other Wolds (watcher, wyrd, and guardian) do not have it. I'm going off of the Monsternomicon, therefore expecting a lightning ranged attack or 2, rune fists of some variety, a self-healing ability, some sort of defensive buff or retributive strike, FURY 4, MAT 6. He could also have Impervious Flesh built in which would be amazing frankly (and make up for the fact he'll be slow up the table without Shifting Stones). I also won't be surprised if it has the most or near-most of any of the Colossals/Gargantuans.

[Bishop84]

I'd also say as above, armour at least 20, it's bigger than the Wold Guardian, and thats Armour 20, I doubt it'll be less than that, because it's even more stone.

Bigger doesn't mean more armor. The individual stones aren't any stronger than on something smaller. Bigger just means more hit boxes.

I'm going to guess ARM 19. Right between the Warden and the Guardian, tied with Megalith.

[PG_fildrigar]

I would think it is almost granted that this guy will have Geomancy maybe he will give it boosted attack and damage rolls. I won't be getting one of these as I just play with the living beasts but I hope that he gets some also rules. I really think he might come close to 70 circles on his spiral and arm 19 P&S 18 and fury 4.

Extrapolating from the Collosi, ( and one Gargantuan that we've seen ) I'd say you're probably pretty close to correct on the stats. I'd be willing to guess ARM 20-21. I don't expect P+S of higher than 18, nor a Fury beyond 4. ( MK has 5, which Trolls already have on some of their characters. ) I do, doubt Geomancy, though. "A gun Cygnar would be jealous" implies both Lighning, and better than anything they have that shoots lightning. Strider is POW 15 and does d3 POW 10 leaps. Maybe it will be POW 16, with d6? ( Continuing the partial theme with Collosi/Gargantuans of mass infantry slaughter. ) It's got two big gems in it's Shoulders, so perhaps two of those, with a third something else from the head. Melee knockdown was mentioned also, which will be interesting to see how it's implemented.

Hopefully it will be prereleased at Gencon/PAX.

[Not So Feral]

Fury 6? Hilarious.

Considering even the mountain king has "only" 5, and this thing is a wold, I wouldn't be shocked if it was Fury 4. I earnestly hope we get 5. That's a lot of warbeast points that don't generate a whole lot of fury.

Well, I was looking at 5 based on 1 higher than megalith, 6 would be nice, but a dream I know.

[PG_fildrigar]

Grayle is just BEGGING for a decent ranged threat with Awareness.

And unlike the Colossals, 360 LOS won't be a liability.

[rpavers]

Hopefully it will be prereleased at Gencon/PAX.

As sweet as this would be, I would be so tempted to assemble the damn thing. Heh.
I mean it is possible for it to be pre released at gencon.

[ringsnake]

Just be thankful that the Mtn King had such terrible rules; between it and the paintings of eGrimm I damn near faction hopped before the first model cut lol. I like the Woldwrath model less, which means I want to cut it up more, so that's helpful too

You're not thinking it through. The sweep is a special attack (power attacks are special attacks if the rules are unchanged from Mk 1 on that) and the animus makes all special attack rolls boosted. That's a 2" reach sweep with all boosted attack rolls, and the animus only costs 1 fury. Axers with all boosted thresher attacks, and TB players will be taking Axers so the Mountain King gets rush.

Also, it spawns infinite whelps. That's damn near broken. In effect, the Mountain King has super-regeneration and near perfect fury management.

EDIT TO ADD: I don't think the mountain king has terrible rules at all. Hard to say whether it's going to make TB players throw aside Mulg and Earthborn pairing to use it, but it's nowhere near terrible.

[Mercykiller]

Damn you Ringsnake, you make me sit on the fence again between factions And as for terrible, I was quite literally quoting my local PG and Trollblood player who isn't prone to kneejerk reactions. Between that and the Trollblood forum ... as I said, I don't play TBs, so it wasn't exactly encouraging me to do so lol.

[Bishop84]

One thing that really caught me was the crazy low threshold on the Mountain King. At least that's something we won't have to worry about, but should expect FURY 4.

[freelancerebel]

Not a fan of the shoulder pads and football like pose. I'm hoping the finished product has more revisions.

[Ap0th]

One thing that really caught me was the crazy low threshold on the Mountain King. At least that's something we won't have to worry about, but should expect FURY 4.

The threshold may be a byproduct of the whelps which can help with fury management.

[Blaque]

Kind of do hope they beef-out the arms a bit. Or that they're fairly posable. I kind of want it to do the knuckle-drag thing like in the art, personally.

And stuff.

[the Sugarwolf]

the issue with the woldwrath's look is unlikely to be solved by a studio paint job because its a geometrical issue. instead of having a chest and body like a gorilla as in the monsternomicon original art (where it also had a much cooler head that was more akin to a stone magneto helmet) rather than what they went with... a giant ball with arms and legs and cannons for shoulders. ive already started looking into how im going to build him a new chest from scratch which makes me kinda cranky for the price of the model.

[PG_fildrigar]

I love the one hand punching, one hand grabbing look. The articulation on the hands is amazing.

[Bishop84]

And unlike the Colossals, 360 LOS won't be a liability.

Perhaps I missed something, but why is that a liability for colossals?

Also, I seem to be in the minority that's happy that it's NOT hunched over and dragging its knuckles like a gorilla.

[ringsnake]

Perhaps I missed something, but why is that a liability for colossals?

Also, I seem to be in the minority that's happy that it's NOT hunched over and dragging its knuckles like a gorilla.

You can advance past models with 360 arcs without taking free strikes so long as you're still within their melee range to get at models hiding behind them.

I'm happy that it's not gorilla shaped.

[Gladius]

Well, I like it. I'll be excited to get mine. And I really dig the missile launcher shoulder pads.

[HellecticMojo]

This is amazing. Also the new guilty gear started its loctest yesterday. Shouldn't be long now!!

wait what?

What about this? Not uber, also not bad...

I would say the quake and transmute alone makes it ridiculously better than the mountain king. Transmute is one of troll's golden animus, as it currently stands your model is worth 21 pts already judging on the standard that MK is 20pts.

[chibimod3]

Ok well as the shoulders should have been expected then so too is the awesomeness this thing can bring to the table. I for one can't wait to get one. I really hope it is compatible with eKrueger no quarters list or that will hamper a few decisions of mine but I want it now.

[PG_fildrigar]

Perhaps I missed something, but why is that a liability for colossals?

Also, I seem to be in the minority that's happy that it's NOT hunched over and dragging its knuckles like a gorilla.

If you're directly in front of a Colossal, you get to choose which of the two damage grids to use. With 360 los, it's as if you're directly in front every time. ( And also the free strikes thing. )

[crcalvin]

I wonder how many hit points this thing is likely to have. Going off the MK, it has an average 10 lower hit points compared to the Colossals, but wolds often have hefty damages grids, so it might be closer to the high 50s.

[Blaque]

I wonder how many hit points this thing is likely to have. Going off the MK, it has an average 10 lower hit points compared to the Colossals, but wolds often have hefty damages grids, so it might be closer to the high 50s.

I expect it to have proportionally more wounds due to being a Construct. This means that outside of Baldur, we can barely heal it with anything. Compared to the Mountain King's access to Snacking and Whelps, as well as Legion and Skorne's to Medicate and general fury-to-healing.

And stuff.

[PG_LEJKaya]

I wonder how many hit points this thing is likely to have. Going off the MK, it has an average 10 lower hit points compared to the Colossals, but wolds often have hefty damages grids, so it might be closer to the high 50s.

Hoping for 72!

But yeah, troll beasts have lower health than warjacks but wolds (Wardens and Megalith) usually have more than Khador warjacks.

It would need to have the sub-type wold warden so Megalith could heal it. Other than that its really in need of massive HP as it never gets any back.

[VagrantPoet]

Hoping for 72!

But yeah, troll beasts have lower health than warjacks but wolds (Wardens and Megalith) usually have more than Khador warjacks.

Not true. The guardian has 30, megalith has 35 sure. But the standard Khador jack has 34 boxes. It won't be anywhere close to 72. I'd bet on mid 50s and bountiful restoration like megalith.

[PG_LEJKaya]

Not true.

Everything I said is true.

[Blaque]

Not true. The guardian has 30, megalith has 35 sure. But the standard Khador jack has 34 boxes. It won't be anywhere close to 72. I'd bet on mid 50s and bountiful restoration like megalith.

As a summary on wounds of non-character thingies about:

Ironclad/Centurian Chassis - 30 boxes
Crusader/Reckoner Chassis - 32 boxes
Juggernaught/Devestator Chassis - 34 boxes
Slayer Chassis - 28 boxes
Leviathan Chassis - 30 boxes
House Shael Myrmidon - 24 boxes + 10 force field
House Vyre Myrmidon - 30 boxes
Mercenary Human Heavy - 30 boxes
Mercenary Rhulic Heavy - 32 boxes (I think)

Dire Troll Mualer/Blitzer/Bomber - 28 wounds
Earth Born Dire Troll - 30 wounds
Shadowhorn Satyr - 24
Warpwolf Stalker - 25
Pureblood Warpwolf/Gnarlhorn Satyr - 26
Feral Warpwolf - 28
Wold Guardian - 30
Woldwarden - 35
Rhinodon - 28(?)
Archidon - 25
Titan - 30
Carnivean/Scythean/Ravagore - 30
Angelius - 25

Don't have Minion beasts on me to compare.

So this in mind, Trollblood non-character stuff is actually pretty squishy. This is probably due to expected regenration potential and ARM buffs. They "bounce back" relaly fast compared to the warbeasts other factions have. Our living beasts are amongst the softest (all save Ferals have the wounds of lights).

The most wounds on a colossal is Hyperion if I remember right, with 64 including its field. I see the Woldwrath probably being statted more like the Galleon or Stormwall though. This hints to mid-50s on wounds. Remember that because it's one huge spiral, it is actually harder to knock anything off at all, and also since it's one huge spiral, it is very easy to get the warbeast to fully operational to start smashing htings. This all hints to lower wounds, which would be compensated at least somewhat on the Woldwrath with wounds (much like the Woldwatcher, as a random toss-in, has the same wounds as the Shadowhorn and one less than many other heavies).

This rampent number-tossing and speculation brought to you by lunch.

And stuff.

[PG_fildrigar]

This rampent number-tossing and speculation brought to you by lunch.

Not the John T. and Cathryn C. Macarthur Foundation?

[ringsnake]

My predictions are generally pretty accurate, based on rules and current models...

ARM:19 at most, and probably ARM:18 with about 45-50 damage, or even less damage and some ability to heal. Reason being is that there's this guy called Stone Soul who can jack it up by three ARM and heal it. And give it free charges and power attacks which leads us to...

FURY:4, or FURY:3 with some wonky rules for fury efficiency. Again, the baldurs and Circles general fury efficiency.

Ranged attacks/spell effect(s)/melee attacks that can wipe out masses of single wound infantry. That seems to be what the Colossals are all about, and the Mountain King can certainly wipe out piles of warriors.

Vulnerable to strikes from hard hitting heavy jacks/beasts. A Feral or Stalker plus support or similar will have a decent chance of destroying it in a single turn.

[Mercykiller]

As long as it has missiles in those pods on its shoulder and not duds

[PG_LEJKaya]

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Not seen this pic before from lost hemispheres video.