Now that we know, time for Ossrum lists

[PG_DaveZee]

I'm a bit surprised to not see any lists yet. Will you run Tiered? Searforge? another contract, but with some heavy Rhul support for feat turn? Let's see some sample lists!

[HeadHunter]

I would definitely try a tier list for him. Looks like it would still be effective.

[Ger]

I have try something involving 1-2 Drillers, a Basher, and Blasters with the rest of the list being mainly non-rhulic stuff in highborn. That's mostly because I don't own any Rhulic units outside of H+J.

[Alphadork]

Okay - I'll take a stab at an Ossrum list with some thoughts in brackets

General Ossrum (+5) Tier 4 - I think anyways
Rockram - 8
Blaster - 3
Blaster - 3
Max HFSG's with UA - 11 (start the game ADed with Snipe)
Max HHFG - 8
H&J - 3 (start the game with Fire for Effect - will likely move spell to Rockram as armies get close)
Thor - 2 (Bullet Dodger on him or Ossrum)
Lord Rockbottom - 2

I would consider dropping Rockram and Rockbottom for a Basher and a Bokur but I think that the Rockram is going to be a great 'jack for Ossrum. I also hate not having a 'jack marshalled to Thor, but he can still Tune Up either or the Blasters or the Rockram to increase their killing potential.

I think the biggest weakness of the above list is that its only anwer to high ARM is the Rockram or HHFG and that you'll want to keep the infantry bunched up so lists with lots of templates will be tough to face.

Okay, I started list theorizing - now someone else needs to play too!

[PG_DaveZee]

A couple thoughts:
I'm wondering if the General doesn't give OAC the tools to be effective.
Avalanchers seem to really benefit - snipe on first turn, then fire for effect.
H&J are definitely a great choice for FfE, too
I dont know that he can support 3 jacks with all of his upkeeps. Both gun bunnies seem good choices, but might have to move the heavy to Thor.

[Alphadork]

@DaveZee

Agreed on him making the OAC better (I tried to squeeze them in at 35 but didn't want to drop the HFSG's to min - they would another great target for Fire for Effect - a max unit would get an effective MAT 10, POW 17 CRA that's boosted - yes, please)

Again, agreed on Avalanchers also being a good fit with him (IMHO, Ossrum makes almost every single Rhulic unit better with the possible exception of Brun and Lug)

With any FOC 6 caster it'll be deciding when to drop the upkeeps for that extra focus or two. I think he wants at least one heavy that can melee in his BG, be it the Rockram, Basher or Driller. Remember, Thor can "Tune Up" a non-marshalled Jack - a Rockram with boosted attack or damage rolls and a couple of focus can hurt stuff.

At 35pts its probably better to run him under straight Searforge, but I figured I'd try a Tiered list in theory.

[RiTides]

I'm a bit surprised to not see any lists yet. Will you run Tiered? Searforge? another contract, but with some heavy Rhul support for feat turn? Let's see some sample lists!

At 35pts its probably better to run him under straight Searforge, but I figured I'd try a Tiered list in theory.

As a hordes trollbloods player considering dipping his toe into Seaforge with this warcaster, I came here seeking info... but now I'm just more confused! Can he not be "Seaforge" and "Tiered"- i.e., he can only get the benefits of one or the other?

Any chance you lads could direct me to some good resources to find out what I need to here? I'm guessing I need to just order a pile of rulebooks- Warmachine MKII (as I only have Hordes), Mercenaries, and Colossals?

My main confusion is over "Seaforge" and his own tier, like I said. I see a unit of Ogrun that are marked Rhlic, despite not being dwarfs... but Seaforge does not necessarily equal Rhulic, right? And an army can only get the benefit of being Seaforge OR Tier benefits?

Thank you and I look forward to seeing some sample lists :-) hopefully all "seaforge" or "rhulic", since that's what I would like to stick to!

[PG_Enazel]

Merc's can't have both Contract and Tier at the same time its and either or option.

Rhulic is a kingdom of Dwarves and Ogruns, which is why some of the Ogruns are Rhulic.

[PG_DaveZee]

As a hordes trollbloods player considering dipping his toe into Seaforge with this warcaster, I came here seeking info... but now I'm just more confused! Can he not be "Seaforge" and "Tiered"- i.e., he can only get the benefits of one or the other?

Any chance you lads could direct me to some good resources to find out what I need to here? I'm guessing I need to just order a pile of rulebooks- Warmachine MKII (as I only have Hordes), Mercenaries, and Colossals?

My main confusion is over "Seaforge" and his own tier, like I said. I see a unit of Ogrun that are marked Rhlic, despite not being dwarfs... but Seaforge does not necessarily equal Rhulic, right? And an army can only get the benefit of being Seaforge OR Tier benefits?

Thank you and I look forward to seeing some sample lists :-) hopefully all "seaforge" or "rhulic", since that's what I would like to stick to!

Welcome to the mercs! First things first: it is Searforge, not Seaforge - a very common mistake, so dont worry about it

Yes, it is true, you cannot stack theme list and contract bonuses.

Some ogrun work with Rhulic casters - part of the fluff is that Rhul is a place where they live together and give mutual respect to each other. The Rhulic based contract is the Searforge Commission.

[MagnustheJust]

GENERAL AWESOME T-4, 35 PONTS :

Ossram {+5}
~ Blaster - 3
~ Rockram - 3{8}
~ Rockram - 8

Thor - 2

H & J - 3
min Forgeguard - 5
max Highshields - 8
~ Highshield UA - 3

Highshields get AD'd into trench with Snipe on them. H & J get F4E.

Forgeguard waddle up {run-ish} towards the trench, with battle group coming up behind them...

Hilarity ensues.

[MagnustheJust]

As a hordes trollbloods player considering dipping his toe into Seaforge with this warcaster, I came here seeking info... but now I'm just more confused! Can he not be "Seaforge" and "Tiered"- i.e., he can only get the benefits of one or the other?

Any chance you lads could direct me to some good resources to find out what I need to here? I'm guessing I need to just order a pile of rulebooks- Warmachine MKII (as I only have Hordes), Mercenaries, and Colossals?

My main confusion is over "Seaforge" and his own tier, like I said. I see a unit of Ogrun that are marked Rhlic, despite not being dwarfs... but Seaforge does not necessarily equal Rhulic, right? And an army can only get the benefit of being Seaforge OR Tier benefits?

Thank you and I look forward to seeing some sample lists :-) hopefully all "seaforge" or "rhulic", since that's what I would like to stick to!

Hey RiTides...

Your best bet is to strat here :

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...t-Since-605-AR

This thread will give you nearly everything you need, shy of table experience!!

[RiTides]

Thanks for all the pointers, guys! Found a local store that had the book and already picked it up today plus a friend I was also asking for tips had a bunch of Rhulic to sell. So I am off and running!

/goes to read

[MagnustheJust]

Giggety. ..

[RiTides]

Looking forward to seeing some lists posted here! I guess folks need time to sink their teeth into the rumors first :-)

[Alphadork]

@Magnusthejust

Question on your list - I don't think it qualifies for Tier 4 because it only has one solo (Thor). Unless my age-addled brain has once again betrayed me - I thought H&J were a character unit, not solos.

I ask because I wanted to run the same list you posted but had to find points for the second solo. I suppose I could drop the HHFG to min and change a blaster into a driller.

Oh, and still hoping others will also join in the list theorizing exercise for the "Little General"

[MagnustheJust]

Well... Crud!!

Let's try this again, shall we??

GENERAL AWESOME T-4, 35 PONTS :

Ossram {+5}
~ Blaster - 3
~ Driller - 6
~ Rockram - 3{8}

Rockbottom - 2
Thor - 2

H & J - 3
min Forgeguard - 5
max Highshields - 8
~ Highshield UA - 3

Highshields get AD'd into trench with Snipe on them. H & J get F4E.

Forgeguard waddle up {run-ish} towards the trench, with battle group coming up behind them...

Hilarity ensues.

FIX'T!!

[RiTides]

Is it worth finding another point somewhere to make Rockbottom into an Ogrun Bokur? Seems like Rockbottom doesn't do much except for sea dogs, right? (Or rather, what would he do here?)

[Alphadork]

Is it worth finding another point somewhere to make Rockbottom into an Ogrun Bokur? Seems like Rockbottom doesn't do much except for sea dogs, right? (Or rather, what would he do here?)

It would be possible to switch the Rockram out for a Basher, but I really thing the the Rockram is the 'jack for Ossrum.

Rockbottom provides four thing to the list:
1) As one of only four Rhulic solos, he's on of the cheapest options to qualify for Ossrum's tiered list
2) While he can't use "Paymaster"; he use "Bought Loyalty" on Rhulic models - which means if Thor fails a critical Pronto drive check then he auto passes
3) He does has a POW 12 Spray 8 with RAT 6 - not bad
4) He cuts a dashing figure on the battlefield with his fine hat

[MagnustheJust]

All of the above, plus an addendum to point #3 -

That spray causes continuous fire!!

[RiTides]

Makes sense, I'll try to warm up to the hat ;-)

[PG_ikildkenny]

... well, since thor is marshalling only his nosehair, point 2 kind of falls ... so the "only" things (asside from his fabulous hat) that remain are his Spray and the auto-successes on Commandchecks... that's not worth 2pt imho ...

btw ... my Take on G.A. T4:

Awesome (+5) (UnstopFork)
- Driller 1{6}
- Blaster 3
- Blaster 3

Thor 2 (Bullet dodger)
Bokur 3

HSGC max + UA 11 (Snipe, AD so they can shieldwall-move into a trench Turn 1)
HHFG max 8
H&J 3 (Johnne with FfE)

granted, it's a 34 point list ... but hey, it could work!

[Alphadork]

... well, since thor is marshalling only his nosehair, point 2 kind of falls ... so the "only" things (asside from his fabulous hat) that remain are his Spray and the auto-successes on Commandchecks... that's not worth 2pt imho ...

Fair point on no 'jacks marshalled to Thor, but the second I expand that list to 50 then the best jack marshall around gets his bestest friend - the basher.

I suppose that you could drop a blaster onto Thor but that takes the list down to T3. I think the T4 benefit of +2 SPD to Ossrum's battle group can make for an interesting first turn.

He hands each of the three 'jacks a focus, leaving him three. On each warjacks turn they run (putting them either 12 or 14 inches upfield, depending on the 'jack) followed up by a 3 Focus casting of Energizer on Ossrums turn can put your battlegroup 15 to 17 inches upfield turn one - pretty fast for Rhulics and potentially great in some scenario games.

I cannot wait to get my hands on "The Little General"

Oh, any Rockbottoms hat is easily worth one point . . .
; )

[CrashOverride]

Does Gudrun the wanderer count for his Theme list? I'm thinking no, but... it would be rad. "Mercenary Minion Oghrun Character Solo" Does Oghrun count as Rhulic?

[Tavitin]

Ossrum
-Basher
-Basher
-Blaster

Thor
-Avalancher
-Bokur

Herne and Jonne
Horgenhold Artillery Corps
Horgenhold Artillery Corps

I believe two Artilleries can fit inside a single Trench right?

[CrashOverride]

Ok, here's my list thus far. Trying to get to 35 and meet all tier requirements, but some tweaking is in order to make that work.

General Awesome
Avalancher
x2 Gunners

HSGC+UA
Herne & Jonne
Forge Guard

and possibly a bokur as one of the solos. Not completely sold on H&J, I don't dig on Jack Marshalling so Thor seems superfluous. And Rockbottom doesn't seem to do much if he doesn't have Thor to support. This lack of solos is really hurting my finalizing an army list for a warstore order >.< I'm also REALLY hoping to squeeze in OAC somewhere, as they would shine brightly under Ossrum.

[CrashOverride]

I believe two Artilleries can fit inside a single Trench right?

I don't see why not. Medium bases look like they'd fit to me.

[nicholas_342]

Totally posted this in the wrong thread earlier.

35 pt tier 4 General Ossrum list

-5 Herr General
+4 Avalancher
+3 Gunner
+3 Gunner

+11 High shield gun corps(max) w/UA
+3 Herne and Jonne

+2 Thor
+7 Basher
+2 Lord Rockbottom

You can potentially tag a warcaster on turn 1 with the avalancher. High shield book it into the trench. Thor sticks around to tune up the avalancher's damage rolls while the basher goes and haves fun with a heavy jack. Snipe starts on the avalancher and get's rotated over to the gun corp's after ranges get closer. Fire for Effect goes on Jonne unless a real juicy target like a warjack or warbeast presents itself to the gun corps. Bullet dodger on Ossrum just because having him camp out in the trench would be obnoxious.

[Zelot # 87]

Nicholas_342 I really like that list. If you get a chance to test it I would love to hear your results.

[CrashOverride]

Man, that is a mighty fine list. Might steal a few aspects of it to get mine unstuck. Thor, Rockbottom, and a blaster would be a fun way to chew some infantry and shed some points.

[nicholas_342]

Not a problem. Unless I get a game in on vassal, which I suck at, it won't be until next Sunday though. I'm still looking forward to it and I hope that the General is released a little bit before the book, or at the very least at the same time as the book.

[Alphadork]

@nicholas_342

Solid list, I'd probably switch our at least one (if not both) of the Gunners on Ossrum for a Blaster - I think that Bulldoze and Sprays will work very nicely together.

[nicholas_342]

So I tried the above list out against a pThags list. My gun corps took the advance deploy.

pThags
Ravagore
Carnivian
Scythean
Full gatorman posse
and a shepherd

The trench was pretty much useless. Because of the terrain layout i could only put in the extreme flanks. I probably could have put my gun corps over there but they would have been out of range of most everything. I quickly realized that I didn't have enough melee stuff. He went first, and I tagged Thags for 14 points on my first turn. Pretty sweet, of course he transfered it to his scythean. Nothing else even came close to hitting anything.

Next turn his ravagore took out 4 of my gun corps, and his aoe made things annoying. My turn the avalancher rolled three 1's to shot thags again. I did kill 2 gatormen with ranged attacks, and slammed a third into his carni killing that gator. That's also the turn I feated, mostly for the arm buff. From there it just went downhill. Scythean charged my avalancher and took it down to 2 boxes leaving me with a cortex and a canon box. One of my gunners bulldozed the scythean out of melee with the avalancher, avalancher stood still and missed thags again. I might have been able to kill the scythean with the avalancher and a shot from my other gunner but I passed on it because he would have just feated and brought it back. I was hoping to make him transfer enough damage that he would start killing off his own warbeasts to negate his feat.

Obviously thags with 4 heavies and full gatormen isn't an easy match up for most lists, but it really hurt here. Maybe focus fire on a warbeast one at a time to put each of them down, but that still leaves the gatormen. Against a WM army any player who doesn't screen his caster is asking for some real trouble. I'm not sure how to get some more melee into the army. Maybe drop the basher and Rockbottom in favor of a min unit of forge guard and a bokur, but the basher is usually pretty helpful. At 50 points, by all means go all out with a couple units of forge guard. I think next time I am going to bring him in a Highborn list.

[CrashOverride]

I decided that I don't like the avaliable solos/requirement to Jack Marshall enough to play his theme list. Nor am I desperate for trenches. The only kicker is those upkeeps at the beginning of the game, but it's worth it to me to play a list I actually like rather than make exceptions just to get a bonus or two. So, Searforge it is.

Ossrum
Wroughthammer Rockram
Ghordson Basher
Hammerfall High Shield Gun Corps (full) +UA
Horgenhold Forgeguard (full)
Herne and Jonne
Ogrun Bokur

Another reason I'm forgoing the theme list, is that under 35 it severely limits melee capabilities. Not a fan of that. I've learned my lesson on bringing no axes to the face field playing Khador.

The idea is marching up in formation troop wise, shield walling all the way. Get everyone in position at lightspeed becuase of Ossrum's quite Orky mentality of speed, then charge the basher and forge guard through my gun line after knocking out troops and solos with CRAs and potshots. Obviously nothing is ever that easy, but it's a good start.

GOing to have to find a spot for Ogrun Assault Corps soon...

[nicholas_342]

Don't forget, Martial Discipline only works on warrior models so your basher won't be able to go through your gun corps.

[CrashOverride]

Don't forget, Martial Discipline only works on warrior models so your basher won't be able to go through your gun corps.

Oh duh. Well thats ok. That would have been situational anyway. Good thing I'm going troop heavy. lol.

[MagnustheJust]

Hmmm... A Searforge-based Ossram list you say??? I'll take a stab at it...

SEARFORGE - 35/35 -

General Ossram {+5}
~ Blaster - 3
~ Rockram - 3{8}
~ Ogrun Bokur - 3

Brun & Lug - 9
~ Ogrun Bokur - 3

Herne & Jon - 3
~ Ogrun Bokur - 3
max Forgeguard - 8

[Thamarite Merc]

Does Brun count for the tier requirement as a solo?

[nicholas_342]

His card does say character solo so it just might count.

[Zelot # 87]

Yes, lesser warlocks count as solos.

[TheManInTheHat]

Gotta admit, really liking the look of the Little General. Seems a much different playstyle to what I'm used to. The Gun Corps / Forge Guard combo seems like a nice and characterful one, as well as effective.

What would the best uses of the Artillery Corps with FFE? Are H&J just more effective or versatile? I just like the image of parking a mortar on each flank and just using them to snipe away while the infantry hold the centre.