Freaking Archangel!

[Protest the Shredder]

Now i'm interested in the ranged attack(s). Thinking maybe 1 long range Aoe. Would really like to see a fire breath thresher that is 3 or 4 inches out from base and covers the full front arc, around pow 14. On the melee side (depending on how they do its ranged) maybe 2 14s for the claws and an ap reach 4 tail pow 15. If the ranged attacks are good, I think it will be hard to see the ap on the tail.

[JosephKerr]

Based on the Bite, doesn't that make the Archangel STR 13? That's not bad for Sweeps.

[agent red]

So four initials and a gun? We're looking at a guaranteed wall of text here.

[captainspud]

Yeah, I agree there. Especially if he can make the thresher with that attack, Incite/Icy Grip/Breathstealer + thresh means dead infantry. Of course, it may be that the consume effect doesn't proc during a thresh since it's a power attack. Either way, if I'm using my 19pt model to kill small based infantry, I want it to be gone if I hit it.

Sweep attacks lose all weapon special rules, just like all other power attacks. It's already been ruled that the Stormwall doesn't get electro-leaps on his, so the Archangel won't get Consume on hers.

That said: super excited to add this thing to my dragons.

[rivenwyrm]

Yeah, I was pretty sure that was the case, just holdin' out hope. Ah well.

[EtherealPaints]

The claws for the rest of the heavies are P+S 16. I would guess that the claws on this guy are going to be 17 minimum. Not convinced that the tail will have AP, but that would certainly be nice considering he's already got an answer for small based models. Maybe crit AP.

[Defenstrator]

You think it will have that many melee attacks? All the rest have been limited to two initials.

[Northern Ronin]

You think it will have that many melee attacks? All the rest have been limited to two initials.

This is a good point to bring up, but at the same time, the Legion one could be the inverse. Rather than having six shots every turn, it could have one shot, and several melee attacks. Of course, it could be off set by having lower fury (also makes sense due to our fury removal options, and they likely don't want more killer ranged out of Legion, between Lylyth and Ravagores with a Naga). I could see them going with like a Rapid Striking, low POW chain weapon tail to add the Anti-Infantry power many Colossals seem to bring to bear, without making it in the form of buffable guns.

[katadder]

well we already have the carni with 3 base attacks plus the spray on assault, so really needs to be on par with that doesnt it.

[Thanatos_elNyx]

Would really like to see a fire breath thresher that is 3 or 4 inches out from base and covers the full front arc, around pow 14.

Combustion like a Phoenix would be cool.

[0ldsk00l]

Heightened Metabolism might be a nice animus to put on the Archangel... might almost make you wanna bring Proteus..

[Neutralyze]

Why, on hit you consume models.

[Defenstrator]

So actually eating the models denies you the ability to gain sustanence from them. Irony.

[0ldsk00l]

for sweep. like with the MK. Presumably the consume doesnt apply to power attacks, like with e-leap on stormwall

[Voltimor]

I hope it can eat medium bases too

[0ldsk00l]

the text of consume specifies small base.

[Neutralyze]

the text of consume specifies small base.

Yes it does. youll notice that unless youre playing trolls with an abundance of medium bases that you wont really get much milage of out it. on top it that, you gotta bring proteus....

[Ihmeapina]

Hmm Just thought of this: Archangel has an attack with his head, a head is not likely to be restricted to only left/right arc.. will we get an 180 decree sweep?!

[Hussar]

Awesome.
Archangels; solving problems with sideway faceplants.

[0ldsk00l]

He may also have more than 1 melee weapon. But, yes, the Proteus tax was referenced in my first post on the matter.

[sathoon]

As much as I want to rave about taking saeryn, stealing the breath out of the lungs of bane knights (makes perfect sense) and going "OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NO eGASPY FEAT BANES", if its true that specials don't count on power attacks, this is both saddening and makes me feel okay at the same time (Where the stormwall capable of electro-leaping thresher, would the 52-bane terminus blob even be able to take that kind of anti-infantry on the chin?)

[Ihmeapina]

But you will eat the "Menoth book of even more denial" in one hit!

[Voltimor]

And the the 2 sworded solo that won't die in 1 turn and Harbinger cannot keep the pieces on the board ^^

[Draznar]

I think consume is neat / flavorful, but being PS 19 makes it seem not relevant 95% of the time. It makes me wonder if the Archangel might have some passive ability that relates to consume (ie "Special Consumption - Whenever archangel consumes a model, do X.) Or if its really is just a neat ability tacked on that will come up in a handful of games.

[Wutwut]

MK doesn't have snacking for obvious reasons... Could the Archangel get snacking on consumes? My logic here would be that a thresher would deny the consume special rule so the player couldn't just devastate an entire row of infantry and go from near dead to full health, limiting its regen to bought extra attacks mostly if against infantry.

Anywho I really like the whole escalation thing, the Dragon Alliance already knows what Erthrubral is up to from Krueger, Toruk I assume as known for a while that he is more or less up and about, and now he is creating mini dragons and its most subtle lock is turning into a 120mm sled. LoE in the new book is just a gigantic middle finger to Immoren from the bodyless dragon.

[Crate123]

MK doesn't have snacking for obvious reasons... Could the Archangel get snacking on consumes? My logic here would be that a thresher would deny the consume special rule so the player couldn't just devastate an entire row of infantry and go from near dead to full health, limiting its regen to bought extra attacks mostly if against infantry.

Anywho I really like the whole escalation thing, the Dragon Alliance already knows what Erthrubral is up to from Krueger, Toruk I assume as known for a while that he is more or less up and about, and now he is creating mini dragons and its most subtle lock is turning into a 120mm sled. LoE in the new book is just a gigantic middle finger to Immoren from the bodyless dragon.

Mountain king does have snacking actually. If MK means mountain king ofcourse and not molik karn

[KhisanthMagus]

Doesn't the archangel having ride by attack contradict the rules of a colossus/gargantuan that says they cannot have any movement outside of their normal movement, and hence couldn't be given sprint or anything like that? Or is it because you are technically just splitting up the normal movement it is allowed?

[Wutwut]

Mountain king does have snacking actually. If MK means mountain king ofcourse and not molik karn

Woooops my bad I got it mixed up with Regen (the other troll staple).

Also are the colossals forbidden to move outside their movement phase or simply outside their activation, if its the second, ride-by is doable.

[Demeritus]

Doesn't the archangel having ride by attack contradict the rules of a colossus/gargantuan that says they cannot have any movement outside of their normal movement, and hence couldn't be given sprint or anything like that? Or is it because you are technically just splitting up the normal movement it is allowed?

Ride by attacks split your movement between a move of however much followed by an interruption in that movement to perform combat actions followed by the rest of your movement.

[themocaw]

I have a feeling that if Archangel is getting into the thick of things, then something will have gone wrong. I predict it being a ranged-focus, hit and run Colossal.

In other words, a scaled up Seraph, not an Angelius.

[Fernslayer]

Our Local Press Ganger was at Lock and Load, and said by the end that they had the full Sculpt of the AA done ready to be sent out to be cast. Anyone See that and have any Picts ??

[Defenstrator]

I was at L&L and that isn't quite true. What was about finished was the basic armiture and muscles which there are lots of pictures of. That was pending final approval. Once that is done he'll be adding all the detail. He said to expect it around September at the earliest.

[SageofLodoss]

I think consume is neat / flavorful, but being PS 19 makes it seem not relevant 95% of the time. It makes me wonder if the Archangel might have some passive ability that relates to consume (ie "Special Consumption - Whenever archangel consumes a model, do X.) Or if its really is just a neat ability tacked on that will come up in a handful of games.

Well, if it's literally consuming on 'hit,' which means there is no disabled or boxed process, let alone destroyed, it means the attack auto-kills Tough small figures, negates Self-Sacrifice and Martyrdom on small models, ignores Roth's Mercy on small models, etc. Plus RFP has its usual benefits.

[Lanz]

I have a feeling that if Archangel is getting into the thick of things, then something will have gone wrong. I predict it being a ranged-focus, hit and run Colossal.

In other words, a scaled up Seraph, not an Angelius.

I'm fine with a scaled up seraph with a PS19 melee attack. If it's primarily a shooting/skirmishing model, but can hit like that, I'm sold.

[PG_StarmanTTLB]

Well, if it's literally consuming on 'hit,' which means there is no disabled or boxed process, let alone destroyed, it means the attack auto-kills Tough small figures, negates Self-Sacrifice and Martyrdom on small models, ignores Roth's Mercy on small models, etc. Plus RFP has its usual benefits.

True, and handy in many situations. However, generally I don't want my P+S19 melee attacks being directed at infantry models ^^ It isn't bad, it just seems like Consume is there more for the flavor than for the usefulness.

I think we'll have to wait and see what other weapon(s) the Archangel has before we can really call judgement on it. I mean, if it has an AP tail strike like many have theorized, then I guess we can forgive Consume ^^

[Fernslayer]

I was at L&L and that isn't quite true. What was about finished was the basic armiture and muscles which there are lots of pictures of. That was pending final approval. Once that is done he'll be adding all the detail. He said to expect it around September at the earliest.

That's what I thought ( as far as how much they got done on it) Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing the awesomness known as the finished product of the AA!! Thanks!

[Fernslayer]

So, once we get this beautiful model... How is everyone planning to transport it? My thoughts is the PP bag that stands on wheels that opens when laid flat on its back and Pluck Foam. That or very carefully stand it in a box with padding around it so i can keep an eye on it.

[Defenstrator]

True, and handy in many situations. However, generally I don't want my P+S19 melee attacks being directed at infantry models ^^ It isn't bad, it just seems like Consume is there more for the flavor than for the usefulness.

Well it won't be the first. The Kraken has Amphbious even though as a colossal it can't be knocked down and comes with Pathfinder. Unless playing with deep water the rule effectively does nothing.

[Crate123]

So, once we get this beautiful model... How is everyone planning to transport it? My thoughts is the PP bag that stands on wheels that opens when laid flat on its back and Pluck Foam. That or very carefully stand it in a box with padding around it so i can keep an eye on it.

I have a feeling the wings will be detachable by design, maybe they will include magnets like they did for bethayne. Otherwise Ill certainly magnetize it myself.

[Defenstrator]

True, and handy in many situations. However, generally I don't want my P+S19 melee attacks being directed at infantry models ^^ It isn't bad, it just seems like Consume is there more for the flavor than for the usefulness.

Well it won't be the first. The Kraken has Amphbious even though as a colossal it can't be knocked down and comes with Pathfinder. Unless playing with deep water the rule effectively does nothing.

I have a feeling the wings will be detachable by design, maybe they will include magnets like they did for bethayne. Otherwise Ill certainly magnetize it myself.

They've already stated that the wings will have pegs so they can slot in and then be removed for transportation.