Lylyth3 spoiler!

[Rion]

Honestly I thought back when we were getting battle engines that ours was going to be a chariot pulled by ulks but having a caster on it has me a little hesitant but I think that the concept is interesting. I'll be interested what rules she has but she looks cool.

[Cromusz]

I'm excited to have a line of Ulk's and Lyl3 ready to plow down some stuff. Her tier list should be interesting.

[PG_RevGeoff]

Maybe she'll have some "elite" rules for Raptors. Not that I need more excuses to play them.

[themocaw]

If Archangel is 19 points, and 3 Lylyth has 6 beast points. . .

3Lylyth -6
Archangel 19
Archangel 19
Throne 9
Throne 9

Gentlemen, the world's first all-huge-based 50 point army.

[the_stoneman]

Maby she will get the first dubble dragoon ever. First you kill the slay, she jumps on a raindeer, then you kill it and she is on foot. Talk about defensive mechanism .

Seriously, this will be the biggest hit or miss ever. Depending both on fluff, model and rules. PP is walking a thin line with this.

As for the all huge base army ever talk about the freakiest army ever..... look its a train, no its a plane, no its girl santa with her flying squidopuss and freaking dragons. Awesome......

[Northern Ronin]

Maybe she'll have some "elite" rules for Raptors. Not that I need more excuses to play them.

She just needs a rule where she gets to move further based on the number of Cav in her front arc, gotta get them extra reindeer in on the action.

[themocaw]

She just needs a rule where she gets to move further based on the number of Cav in her front arc, gotta get them extra reindeer in on the action.

If her theme force lets her run extra raptors, taking 2 min units + Anyssa would give you Dasher, Dancer, Prancer (Unit 1) Vixen, Comet, Cupid (Unit 2) Donner, Blitzen (her sled) and Anyssa Ryvall is Rudolph.

Maybe that's why she's a solo, because no one wants her to play any reindeer games.

[Ranma11788]

Watching the lost hemisphere video again, PP describe her as an epic cavalry battle engine warlock, and all of those things are key words. The word 'light' before the word 'cavalry' is noticeable by it's absence. I fully expect this to have a mount attack, power attack trample, weapon platform and trampling hooves rules similar to the existing trollblood BE. Pre deploying your warlock is gonna suck tho.

May I ask where might I find such video?


I am really digging this idea. And I am really excited to see more of her.

[kropotkin]

I think something ppl are overlooking is that Lylith 3 may be going a very different way than Lylith 1 or 2. Maybe she will transform styles in a similar way to how vayl did. She will no longer be the shoot you from a million miles away but instead transform into something along the lines of kraye or maybe karchev? Imagine if she had guided fire and/or unearthly rage? characters going epic and such was supposed to be about them changing/evolving over their imaginary life spans. If you recieved another lylith that was a ranged assassin how would it be different than lylith 1 or 2?

[Lachlan the Mad]

If Archangel is 19 points, and 3 Lylyth has 6 beast points. . .

3Lylyth -6
Archangel 19
Archangel 19
Throne 9
Throne 9

Gentlemen, the world's first all-huge-based 50 point army.

Yes! Do want!

Maby she will get the first dubble dragoon ever. First you kill the slay, she jumps on a raindeer, then you kill it and she is on foot. Talk about defensive mechanism .

I'm not sure about this, but I think that PP are deliberately not having dragoon warcasters/warlocks. That whole thing where damage that knocks them off their horse doesn't carry over is a bit iffy on a warcaster/warlock, as is the warcaster/warlock's potential for healing.

[Cannotcope]

I have no idea why anyone thinks Lylyth3 will have 3 or fewer WB pts.

Warlocks/Warcasters with less than 4 WB/WJ pts come with their own free warbeast/warjack companion (Laris, Belphagore, Scrappy) or can create a free one in game (eThagrosh).

On the otherhand, WB pts are kind of the balancing factor for Warlocks, so I wouldn't mind a 0 WB pt Lylyth3, because she would need to be totally beyond uber to justify that cost... At 1 WB pt she would have to be at least as good as pMorghoul and a Gladiator.

[midnightcarnival]

I think I want it already. Ok, in fairness, it's a Lylyth, so, that's a no brainer for me to get as she's my favourite of our warlocks!

[Lanz]

I have no idea why anyone thinks Lylyth3 will have 3 or fewer WB pts.

Maybe she'll be a +8 because her base is that big a liability.

[slocu270]

Epic battle engine warcaster.

It's the White Queen from 'the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.'

Though it would have been more apropos for Vayl to be riding the sleigh instead.

[Symptom-F]

I haven't seen anyone mention it on here yet, but has anyone else noticed the scythean-looking head between the ulk? I wonder if the sled isn't some sort of creature (along the lines of the throne) which isn't quite a warbeast, but otherwise shares some attributes with them.

I'm thinking that the head will provide either a sp10, or an aoe shot. Well, hoping, anyway.

[Autumn Stone]

A) I'm with Lanz on the tier name
B) 3Thags will be the first gargantuan caster. Battle engine caster makes no sense for him.
C) ouch my wallet. 3Lyl, two full raptors and a modified bolt thrower waving goodbye as santette and her 12 reindeer take flight is going to cost. But what a cool diorama.

Cheers
A.S.

[marcus]

was thinking: Lylyth, Musher of Everblight. Legion Dragoon Battle-engine Epic Warlock

When Lylyth, Musher of Everblight is boxed, replace her with Lylyth, Herald or Lylyth, Shadow.
The replacing model's base must be completely within the HUGE 12cm Lylyth, Musher of Everblight base

[Bambamdan]

I haven't seen anyone mention it on here yet, but has anyone else noticed the scythean-looking head between the ulk?

Err, I'm not sure where you're looking, but I don't see anything like that. There's some blades on the head of the yoke that holds the Ulk, which will certainly make a mess of infantry on impact, but I don't think the chariot's alive. If it were, it would pull itself, surely.

I have no idea why anyone thinks Lylyth3 will have 3 or fewer WB pts.

Warlocks/Warcasters with less than 4 WB/WJ pts come with their own free warbeast/warjack companion (Laris, Belphagore, Scrappy) or can create a free one in game (eThagrosh).

I think this is because the balancing factor is WB points, and larger models tend to have less. Terminus only has 4 and I'm pretty sure he doesn't create anything, he's just a bad-***. Assuming your battle engine has 24 damage boxes and 19 ARM, same as the Throne, but then has the ability to make transfers to your beasts as a warlock, how many WB points for transfer targets would you give it?

[Trygle]

Lylyth is the reason I am not getting the Kraken. I only have room for 2 huge based items, and Archangel already takes-up one.

[Alexwheeler]

If her theme force lets her run extra raptors, taking 2 min units + Anyssa would give you Dasher, Dancer, Prancer (Unit 1) Vixen, Comet, Cupid (Unit 2) Donner, Blitzen (her sled) and Anyssa Ryvall is Rudolph.

Maybe that's why she's a solo, because no one wants her to play any reindeer games.

hehe this one made me LOL!

i think she would be great as a BE 7 focus (would be nice) 10 health 12def/19arm that when killed jumps onto a reindeer(large base) with 15def/15arm and another 10 health.

so some what of a dragoon but better

spells could be:

dark guidance, but instead for range attacks :-)
War Path: when a model boxes an enemy model a warbeast can move 3"
lock the target: cannot run, charge or be placed
Road to war: warrior models gain + 2 movement
Defenders ward: +2def/arm


Elite cadre [Blighted Nyss raptors]: Friendly Blighted Nyss Raptor models gain eyeless sight.

feat: Special Delivery! : Lylyth gains one package token each time an enemy model is destroyed in this models control area. after all models have completed their activation's, no more tokens can be gained and Lylyth can give up to 2 package tokens to any friendly non-warcaster faction model in her control area. then remove any package tokens remaining on Lylyth. a model can spend one package token to make a full advance. Package tokens can also be spend to make one normal ranged attack or to boost a ranged attack or ranged damage roll at one token per attack or boost. Remove undelivered (unspent) package tokens from play at end of turn.

lol could be very fun .... highly unlikely but fun none the less. i think eyeless sight on the raptors would be VERY cool (maybe broken) and could fit into the fluff very nicely.

[Cannotcope]

I think this is because the balancing factor is WB points, and larger models tend to have less. Terminus only has 4 and I'm pretty sure he doesn't create anything, he's just a bad-***.

On the otherhand Kraye sports 6 WJpts, Harby and Karchev both sport 5 WJpts. They're also large bases. It doesn't appear that base size has much to do with WJ/WB pts, because (as you also note) it's a balancing factor.

Terminus is pretty bad-*** and grants toughs to practically his entire army (depending on how you build it). He's also pretty mobile with flight and hard to kill himself, with good DEF, great ARM, lots of boxes and Sac Pawn (on models he grants tough to) just in case.

Assuming your battle engine has 24 damage boxes and 19 ARM, same as the Throne, but then has the ability to make transfers to your beasts as a warlock, how many WB points for transfer targets would you give it?

On the otherhand, as Lanz noted, being a Huge base is actually a disadvantage in many cases. Unable to hide behind terrain/clouds, possibly unable to gain stealth, probably low defense, probably even the killer pre-deployment requirement. All those factors point towards needing amazing defensive rules (and amazing rules overall), or possibly being our first 10 warbeast point Warlock, just because she will need all the help she can get...

[rick17126]

I haven't seen anyone mention it on here yet, but has anyone else noticed the scythean-looking head between the ulk?

I pretty sure the bits your looking at are blades attached to the common (central) yoke for the Ulk.

My guess for a name would be Lylyth, Umbra of Everblight (the darkest part of a shadow).

The change from small base to the huge base will give her close to 1 and 4/5 inches increase in control range if they don't mess with her fury (effectively just short of being equivalent to fury 6 casters for control range).

If they do "dragoon" her I could see her being unable to transfer damage prior to being removed from the sleigh.

[agent red]

Lylyth, Champion of ol' blighty

[Bartacus]

On the Santa Claus theme there must be some conversion opportunities using eEiryss and her chimney stack......

[Joker1987]

Nobody still hasn't answered the big question....What if she falls off a roof?? lol.

[talquizar]

Nobody still hasn't answered the big question....What if she falls off a roof?? lol.

Hahaha Tim Allen for the win :P

[Fernslayer]

i heard my first gripe about our new caster yesterday... Totally Not fair that Legion gets a " free" Battle Engine"... I don't think they see the down side to this... CAN'T HIDE!!! and HUGE BASE!! i'm both looking foreward to and dreading that caster when it comes out. I REALLY hope they have spells/skills that help with the Huge Base thing. otherwise, she's going to be a Pain to manover around the board.

[Lanz]

I'm really hoping that Lylyth3 is a +5 or so warlock, and just has enough good rules, spells and stats to compensate for, and take advantage of, being Huge.

[SteakAndSpirits]

Her Battlegroup comes with a Character Archangel with a red nosel? :P

PP threw that in to help soften the blow that she rides in a flying sleigh pulled by $%#&@ing reindeer. I don't care how OP the model could wind up being, I will absolutely never buy it.

Ever. :P

-s&s

[Voltimor]

did lylyth grow when you look at her size and the elks she seems bigger than normal or is the drawing abit strange?

[Lanz]

did lylyth grow when you look at her size and the elks she seems bigger than normal or is the drawing abit strange?

The model might not be very large on the huge base. Since it's a warlock, they might be going for the cheaper-side of Huge bases.

[Sakuzhi]

:/ Truth be told. This idea sounds more stupid than it does fun, once you think past the "haha sandy klaws bit".


This warlock has been the very essence of -opposite- a giant sized riding target brings. Would it not be a better (definately more appealing and less Love it or Hate it factioning of players) to simply have her on a single Ulk as the first Legion Cav caster?

This solution gives one both 1)an entirely different playstyle if given correct abilities 2)Does something new for the faction as a whole...

Whereas on the other hand this seems more like an April Fools Joke gone wild than a serious model design concept.

[TheLat]

I'm hoping that she is kind of a dragoon, and that when she loses all her HP, the sleigh breaks, and she jumps on an elk.

[Defenstrator]

Well that would help save her from the insta-gibbing having such a large base looks like its asking for.

[Northern Ronin]

This solution gives one both 1)an entirely different playstyle if given correct abilities 2)Does something new for the faction as a whole...

Whereas on the other hand this seems more like an April Fools Joke gone wild than a serious model design concept.

How is a huge base caster not giving the option of an entirely different play style and how does it not do something new for the faction? We have hit and run casters (P / E Lylyth, E-Vayl), we have stealthy assassin casters (Rhyas, Lylyth, Vayl), we have beefy melee. This -is- something entirely new for the faction and offers the option of an entirely different play style.

[PG_Stevo]

Battle Engines can benefit from Stealth, so I surmise that part of her base size issues will be mitigated by that ability or by a spell like Occultation or Shadow Pack.

I think it's silly to make any judgments on Lylyth3 before seeing the model or the rules.

[Neutralyze]

Battle Engines can benefit from Stealth, so I surmise that part of her base size issues will be mitigated by that ability or by a spell like Occultation or Shadow Pack.

I think it's silly to make any judgments on Lylyth3 before seeing the model or the rules.

Stop adding meaningful discussion to this thread. It wouldnt be legion if they we aren't all doom and gloom before seeing her stats and abilities.

WM/H player - " did you see new lylyth's stats and abilities"?
Legion player - " yeah" gives a sad sigh.
WM/H player - " whats wrong, she seems pretty legit"
Legion player - " she doesnt have the range 20, POW 20 laser beams like i wanted. She's horrible".

[SteakAndSpirits]

Stop adding meaningful discussion to this thread. It wouldnt be legion if they we aren't all doom and gloom before seeing her stats and abilities.

WM/H player - " did you see new lylyth's stats and abilities"?
Legion player - " yeah" gives a sad sigh.
WM/H player - " whats wrong, she seems pretty legit"
Legion player - " she doesnt have the range 20, POW 20 laser beams like i wanted. She's horrible".

In all fairness, I don't think the objections have to do with stats at this juncture. They have to do with the sacred trust between players and designers where Santa Claus and flying reindeer do not show up as a playable faction model.

At least, that's my objection. Ho, ho, ho.

-s&s

[PG_Stevo]

Stop adding meaningful discussion to this thread. It wouldnt be legion if they we aren't all doom and gloom before seeing her stats and abilities.

WM/H player - " did you see new lylyth's stats and abilities"?
Legion player - " yeah" gives a sad sigh.
WM/H player - " whats wrong, she seems pretty legit"
Legion player - " she doesnt have the range 20, POW 20 laser beams like i wanted. She's horrible".

What was I thinking! I'll start the doom and gloom right away...

[CaptBooyah]

Stop adding meaningful discussion to this thread. It wouldnt be legion if they we aren't all doom and gloom before seeing her stats and abilities.

WM/H player - " did you see new lylyth's stats and abilities"?
Legion player - " yeah" gives a sad sigh.
WM/H player - " whats wrong, she seems pretty legit"
Legion player - " she doesnt have the range 20, POW 20 laser beams like i wanted. She's horrible".

Sounds more like the Cygnar Forums to me.... Legion Players go 'Why does everyone hate playing me? Lyllyth only gets three shots on feat turn...'