How has eVyros been for you?

[RetributionBomb]

This thread is for people to post after they have played Proxy games with eVyros. There are enough spoilers out there for most people to be able to easily proxy eVyros. If you need the information go look at rhqtv.com and look at their nice big spoiler video.

http://rhqtv.com/rhqtv/video.aspx?RhqTvVideoId=133

Here is my post from the eVyros spoiler thread:

eVyros
Banshee
Sphinx
Griffon
Griffon
Sentinels + UA
Arcanist
Arcanist
Wyshnalyrr

vs

Gunnbjorn
Bomber
Blitzer
Impaler
Fennblades + UA
Janissa
Whelps

After his second turn he had killed about 6 Sentinels with Bomber AoEs even with deflection up. That hurt, but with six sentinels still left I knew I could do what I wanted to do. Two charged the Bomber, and three charged the Fennblades with the UA positioned to keep the ones that charged the Bomber in Command. Put a hurt on the Bomber and with Vengeance + Charge from the Sentinels killed about 5 Fennblades. My Griffons then went on to kill about 2 more Fennblades. I then positioned the Sphinx and Banshee took a few pop shots, but with his feet missed everything. Then Vyros went, camped his full focus as Synergy was upkept for free by Wyshnalyrr and popped his feat.

His feat is really what won me the game. Its so new it really surprised my opponent. As the Fennblades Vengeanced I repositioned my griffons and moved up the UA officer to tie up the Fennblades and prevent them from engaging my Jacks with their normal activation. After I lost my UA leader and the two Sentinels I was able to reposition the Sphinx and Banshee, and on the final kill of the game where he killed a Sentinel tying up the Bomber Vyros moved up to the center of the board within 10 inches of a Gunnbjorn with no Fury, as well as with a full camp of 6 Focus so even if he had anything left to activate it is doubtful it could have harmed eVyros. He did have Janissa left and moved to place a rockwall, but because Gunnbjorn had a Blitzer right to his south, and a forest right to his north, he could not place the rock wall in a way to completely cover himself.

Final turn of the game, Wyshnalyrr was not close enough to upkeep for free. Vyros upkeeps Synergy and keeps all his focus. I feed a focus to my one Griffon who then charges the Bomber. Surprisinly I miss on my Mat 8 charge, but my Mat 6 shield saves the day and begins the synergy chain. Vyros then moved forward (could not charge with the rockwall position) and engaged Gunnbjorn with 5 Focus, at Mat 12, Pow 18. He also ate two Fennblade Freestrikes on the way but with 5 Focus they could not pierce his armor.

You can imagen what happened. It was a very Terminus like moment. It really caught my opponent off guard as Vyros was almost 18 inches away and then suddenly was ontop of Gunnbjorn.

I hope more people can add to this thread so we can get a real look at eVyros and decide how good or how bad he is.

[Kallas]

Pretty damn solid.

Feat is the only let down and its at least serviceable, if finicky.

[themocaw]

Apparently you can only move warrior models with his feat.

EDIT: Either Beasts of War or Bell of Lost Souls was mistaken, and all indications right now are that it was Beasts of War, and you can move any model. Mea Culpa.

[RetributionBomb]

[greff]

After one game he is very different to play. I was against eDenny so that kind of prevented me from using my feat to it's fullest since hers acted as a perfect counter. I want to try a 2 Griffon and 2 Hydra list but I kind of want to drop a Hydra and get a Gorgon and an Aspis as well, but that could just be me wanting to test out some more fun stuff with Synergy chains.

[Jakal]

Apparently you can only move warrior models with his feat.

I don't think that's true. His feat was spoiled on BoLS directly from PP
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/...tribution.html

When a friendly Faction model is destroyed by an enemy attack, except while advancing, in Vyros's control area, immediately after the attack has been resolved a friendly Faction model in Vyrosʼ control area can make a full advance. A model can only advance once as a result of Tide of War. Tide of War lasts for one round.

[Dubstep]

I play eV teired an I love him.

eVyros +6
Griffon -4
Griffon -4
Hydra -9
Hydra -9
Full sents with UA/souless -12
arcanist -1
arcanist -1

AD on sents is awsome, hydras and griffons are awsome with eV.

Have a 2-0 score against eStryker and pBaldur

[RetributionBomb]

I play eV teired an I love him.

eVyros +6
Griffon -4
Griffon -4
Hydra -9
Hydra -9
Full sents with UA/souless -12
arcanist -1
arcanist -1

AD on sents is awsome, hydras and griffons are awsome with eV.

Have a 2-0 score against eStryker and pBaldur

Remind me, since eVyros is Epic. We are able to bond him to a jack to just get 4 focus on the jack, right? That be pretty sweet with a Hydra...

Can we bond to Character Jacks?

[Jakal]

Only epics with specific bonds on the card can use bonds for non-campaign games, so no, no bond.

[Lord Sessadore]

Follow-on question to RB's. Let's assume for a moment that Imperatus is/was real, and it's a character heavy with a rule on its card that says it can be bonded to Vyros2. Would that allow us to bond Imperatus to Vyros2, even though Vyros doesn't have a bond rule on his card? I assume if that was possible the only benefit would be a focus allocation limit of 4.

And I believe the general rule is that character jacks can't be bonded unless they have a special rule that allows them to bond to a specific caster(s).

[Jakal]

Follow-on question to RB's. Let's assume for a moment that Imperatus is/was real, and it's a character heavy with a rule on its card that says it can be bonded to Vyros2. Would that allow us to bond Imperatus to Vyros2, even though Vyros doesn't have a bond rule on his card? I assume if that was possible the only benefit would be a focus allocation limit of 4.

Nope still no bond (outside of campaigns). Apart from the fact that some epic casters have warjack bonds on their cards there's no connection between epics and jack bonds, at least not in MKII, never played MKI so that may have been different.

[clawtooth]

Isn't that what Special Issue does, in addition to allowing it to be in THeme Forces?

[Jakal]

Yeah, it allows the creation of bonds with that character jack (which is normally not even possible in campaign games), but nothing gives bonds in normal games apart from specific bonds written on the caster card.

[Lord Sessadore]

Thanks, Jakal. That's kind of what I thought, but I can't confirm for myself right now.

[fatoldjerk]

The move is friendly faction model

[NEoJoe]

3-0 in my unimportant learning games. Love his feat and Deflection so far. I also love his tremendous amount of personal threat. I enjoyed that on pVyros, but it's way different on SPD 8 cavalry move-during-your-turn Vyros.

My first list was

Vyros
Sylys
Hydra
Hydra
Griffon
Griffon
Sentinels w/UA w/Soulless
Arcanist
Arcanist
MHA
MHA (these guys love Deflection)
Destor Thane
Destor Thane (these guys love Deflection)

I will not be using this list for any more testing, but it was nice to see the feat work.

Overall, I'm in love with the new guy.

[CaladanCid]

So what is with all the Hydra love? Purely for focus efficiency on Synergy chains? I think I would rather bring a Sphinx for cheap and potentially powerful attacks. Also, since he still has Bird's Eye, Banshees are still awesome with him.

[Jakal]

So what is with all the Hydra love? Purely for focus efficiency on Synergy chains? I think I would rather bring a Sphinx for cheap and potentially powerful attacks. Also, since he still has Bird's Eye, Banshees are still awesome with him.

They can make 15 inch POW 15 shots using bird's eye in one turn then in the next make make 5 attacks each at say power 19 or 20 and get the chain attack off too, as their MAT would be 9 or 10 . Plus they do all that without using all of eVyro's focus on that big turn.

[Rogue Sun]

So what is with all the Hydra love? Purely for focus efficiency on Synergy chains? I think I would rather bring a Sphinx for cheap and potentially powerful attacks. Also, since he still has Bird's Eye, Banshees are still awesome with him.

Focus efficiency is what's up. Fully fueled Heavies take half of EVyros' focus, then adding in focus to upkeep synergy, AND focus to give to lights to start the Synergy chain = no focus left. Hydras, though, keep and generate their own focus. The provide long range powerful shots, which was decent with Birds Eye on PVyros and still is under EVyros. Synergy makes them reliable melee threats though. 2 Griffons charging a target (so 2 focus from EVyros) gives you a +2/+2 on the Hydra giving you a MAT 8, PS 16 heavy. PS 16 with 2 initials and a chain attack. Add concentrated power into that and you have PS 18 on two initials + a chain attack. All for 2 focus from Evyros (or even 1 if your second arcanist gave a griffon a focus).

Hydras basically became very viable with him for their focus efficiency. Before, it was expensive to get a heavy that only really had a ranged threat. Synergy changed that.

[Rampaging Elk]

Focus efficiency is what's up. Fully fueled Heavies take half of EVyros' focus, then adding in focus to upkeep synergy, AND focus to give to lights to start the Synergy chain = no focus left. Hydras, though, keep and generate their own focus. The provide long range powerful shots, which was decent with Birds Eye on PVyros and still is under EVyros. Synergy makes them reliable melee threats though. 2 Griffons charging a target (so 2 focus from EVyros) gives you a +2/+2 on the Hydra giving you a MAT 8, PS 16 heavy. PS 16 with 2 initials and a chain attack. Add concentrated power into that and you have PS 18 on two initials + a chain attack. All for 2 focus from Evyros (or even 1 if your second arcanist gave a griffon a focus).

Hydras basically became very viable with him for their focus efficiency. Before, it was expensive to get a heavy that only really had a ranged threat. Synergy changed that.

Not just this, but you can also use the Hydra to start the Synergy chain easily without costing you any more focus that turn. My problem with the Hydra in the past is that even though Focus Battery is cool, it's kind of a trap. You always need it powered up, and you'd almost always need to spend at least 1 (usually 2) focus to boost attacks and damage. This means you practically HAVE to give that 1-2 focus back to the Hydra next turn, making it a focus hog. Then it was weak in melee, so you wouldn't really be saving yourself anything. pVyros didn't care about saving 1 or 2 focus for a big turn because of his feat. eVyros, however, doesn't have a focus-giving feat, so he needs other ways to get more focus to strengthen him and his jacks for big turns. Even if the Hydra only has 1 focus left over, that's enough to boost a melee attack. Once you hit, it starts the chain for everything else, meaning that 1 focus gave you a big return.

[santospr]

I don't know, I feel like Synergy is a trap. Upkept for free is nice and becomes useful buff, but I feel building for it is the wrong way to go. I would use it to give my one or two jacks extra mat bonuses with Vyros. I think Easy Rider is where its at though as well as mutiple AD sentinel units from tier. I have not played enough Ret, but that's what I think.

[NEoJoe]

I don't know, I feel like Synergy is a trap. Upkept for free is nice and becomes useful buff, but I feel building for it is the wrong way to go. I would use it to give my one or two jacks extra mat bonuses with Vyros. I think Easy Rider is where its at though as well as mutiple AD sentinel units from tier. I have not played enough Ret, but that's what I think.

And this might legitimately be the best way to play him in the end. Right now everyone is going to try everything and settle in whatever camp they find. I'm going to build my next list for him to see what kinds of things Synergy can accomplish. But no worries, I will not be surprised if he ends up taking two heavies, relies on a single Synergy stack to buff them enough, and runs mostly infantry. I also won't be surprised if he runs two griffons and two sphinx. Or two griffons and two Phoenix. Lastly, I won't be surprised if he can actually run multiple kinds of lists and is capable of doing all of the above effectively.

[a spastic ninja]

Just ran him against Ossrum at 35 points:

eVyros
Phoenix
Phoenix
Griffon
Griffon
Full Sents +UA
2x Arcanist

v

Ossrum
Blaster
Basher
Rockram
Min Forgeguard
Min Hammerfall +UA
Artillery Core
Thor
Ogrun Boker

Won by assassination at the end. Thanks to synergy and Concentrated Power I had a Phoenix hitting Ossrum at +4MAT +6DMG so it only took the initial attacks after charging through the woods under Easy Rider. So far I am loving eVyros; his feat really messes with your opponents plans and synergy is fan-freaking-tastic. Easy Rider and Deflection are situational, but great when you need them. Haven't used the offensive spells at all, but I'd say he's well worth it for everything else. Can't wait for this model.

[Dubstep]

From what i can tell from my games, if you wanna play more assasination oriented, get the two hydras. After feat turn, u should be able to charge through all those infantry and such after all synergy buffs and full focus. If you want to play more attrition, go two hard hitting jacks like disco or phyonix or banshee/sphinx.

[FearLord]

Just ran him against Ossrum at 35 points:

eVyros
Phoenix
Phoenix
Griffon
Griffon
Full Sents +UA
2x Arcanist

Isn't that 36 points? I though he had 5 jack points...

[Murkhadh]

I can't believe I"m saying this, but I could see the gorgon being good on his feat turn.

[magi]

I can't believe I"m saying this, but I could see the gorgon being good on his feat turn.

That's crazy talk!

[Rampaging Elk]

I can't believe I"m saying this, but I could see the gorgon being good on his feat turn.

Now I want to run a list of eVyros with only Gorgons and Hydras in his battlegroup and see how good he can make our worst jacks.

[FranzGrenstein]

I can't believe I"m saying this, but I could see the gorgon being good on his feat turn.

That popped in my head while I was thinking about the feat.

The it is still paper so you better active it last.

[NEoJoe]

You guys tell me how the Gorgon goes. Seriously. I'm not testing him any time soon though.

Got two more games in with him. 5-0 with my learning games that don't really count, but I'm digging the hell out of him.

This time I took a battlegroup of three cheap heavies and a griffon, supplemented by ghost snipers and assassins and stuff. At 50 I had two min units of halbs, and at 35 I dropped a heavy and the halbs.

Two games vs Circle saw me ignoreing Megalith's stupid animus (god that feels good) and killing him or roughing him up. The feat worked wonders game one vs Mohsar, and did nothing vs eBaldur, who is generally very annoying to play against. Game one synergy did okay, I upkept it and didn't regret it. Facilited some cool plays. Game two it was a super godsend against stupid Roots of the Earth. Feels super good beating the snot out of a Woldguardian, which is generally impervious to everything. After RotE.

[Tirrith]

Do you think that part of the wins will be because of the surprise factor? I hope he can maintain these results!

[NEoJoe]

In the eBaldur game there was actually little surprise. He knew what my buffs were, what Sentinels did, and that they could now pathfind. The rest of the time my opponents are well informed, but yes, winning against the same people will get harder as time goes on.

[Dubstep]

What were your heavies? Im still dazzled by the double hyra/griffon combo :P

[Mazin1]

I think this weekend I want to try Pheonix, Hydra, and double Griffins.

[Baffler]

I think this weekend I want to try Pheonix, Hydra, and double Griffins.

I think that's going to be my starting point also. I'm going to try and pick a fight with our Kromac player soon, it's going to be awesome.

[joelker41]

Played:

eVyros
2xBanshee

Full Sents + UA + Daemon
Soulless

Full Halbs + UA
Soulless

2xArcanists
MHA



Deflection made the gun mages not matter much. The Feat turn was pretty epic. Rorsh walked up to do his infantry clearing thing and after he killed one Halbie another one walked up to engage him, no virtuoso = can't punch and shoot in the same activation, An Arced Influence having one Sentinel killing another in a clump didn't work after that since I walked up and engaged the arc node. I managed to surround Vyros to prevent any Brine Mauling.

Solid feat, bird's eye works well with Banshees (shocking I know) and I was impressed.

[NEoJoe]

What were your heavies? Im still dazzled by the double hyra/griffon combo :P

In 50 points, my 'cheap heavies' were two Sphinx and a Manticore. In 35 I dropped one of the Sphinx.

I like Sphinx with him so far. I like Hydra too. And Manticore. And Griffon.

I imagine I will end up liking just about everything with him.

[Demeritus]

I got to proxy eVyros a couple of times at L&L. First time was a 2v2 and Synergy didn't do too much but Easy Rider enabled me to charge the Avatar and kill him, my next game between ER and Synergy, I was able to get a banshee a +1/+1 and it charged into a forest and killed a Scythean using only 2 focus (including the charge dice). His feat is quite interesting and a damned good one because it is so hard for opponents to plan for it. I made some mistakes using it my 2nd game which almost got me killed, I should have pulled Vyros back but I thought his stat line was good enough and it is pretty damned good but it still almost got me killed.

Definitely a great caster for us, I really like him.

[a spastic ninja]

Isn't that 36 points? I though he had 5 jack points...

oh, he might. I hadn't seen his jack points so we played him same as prime.

[FearLord]

oh, he might. I hadn't seen his jack points so we played him same as prime.

I've since actually watched the Spoiler video - 5 jack points are confirmed.