Darius Hardcore list.

[watchgeorgerock]

Captain E. Dominic Darius (*5pts)
* Defender (9pts)
* Stormwall (19pts)
* Triumph (11pts)
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts)
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4pts)
Rangers (5pts)
Captain Arlan Strangewayes (2pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)

thoughts

Move up slowly and just blast stuff apart.

[Garath]

Looks solid.

To add real punch to ,let's try to mix it up a bit :
Captain E. Dominic Darius (*5pts)
* Centurion (9)
* Stormwall (19pts)
* Rowdy
*Hammersmith
*Ironclad
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4pts)
Captain Arlan Strangewayes (2pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Stormsmith

Put Cent on point and Stormwall behind it. In btb with SW are Hammersmith to the right and Ironclad to the left .
Rowdy positions nearby to pull off counter charge. Cast Fortify on SW and put Darius behind it. There's your brick fro hell

[watchgeorgerock]

Captain E. Dominic Darius (*5pts)
* Centurion (9)
* Stormwall (19pts)
* Rowdy 9
*Hammersmith 8
*Ironclad 7
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4pts)
Captain Arlan Strangewayes (2pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Stormsmith 1

you are a few points over

[Garath]

Copy/pasted and got mixed up- so the Ironclad is out- that makes it 50 on the mark...or drop hammersmith to take an extra stormsmith and Ironclad

[bStyker]

Nice lists guys. Personally, here's what I'm thinking would be fairly close to ideal, without using up too many characters in a 2 list format.

Captain Dominic Darius (+5)
-Stormwall (19)
-Centurion (9)
-Centurion (9)
-Sylys (2)

Aiyanna & Holt (4)
Arlan Strangeways (2)
JWC (3)
Stormsmith Stormcaller x 3 (3)
Stormtower x 2 (4)


The Stormtowers are amazing at freeing up either the Centurions or Stormwall from light infantry, as well as threatening a decent range with a decent weapon, especially if hitting a Lightning-Pod or Stormsmith. The Stormsmiths are available to free up/deal with stealth as well as Triangulate with Lightning Pods. The Centurions hold point and can be feat back to full health with a decent success rate. Arlan allows for Evasion and free focus. The Stormwall provides cheap and easy POW 20s with Jackhammer and very capable fire-power/infantry control. Sylys allows for free upkeeps to play the attrition game, and allows Darius to stay further back and still cast Jackhammer due to the +2" Spell range. Finally, Aiyanna & Holt allow for +2 Damage on units, provide their own defense, a little more range attack, and most importantly, allow for the Stormwall to make magical attacks.

It's all there. The main weaknesses that I see are going to be heavy movement affecting spells (pDenny, eDenny, etc) and the inability to advance quickly enough.

Best,

[Garath]

Dude,this is awesome hands down....!!!!

About advancing quickly enough-that depends on what you mean by quick.... if you NEED to get to objectives- upkeep Fortify on cent, activated cent and use shield, activate Darius and crane cent 2" forward,use stormwall to throw it forward- total distance covered 4"move+2" crane + throw- more the enough

It will not be knocked down under Fortify and will have polarity shield active

[watchgeorgerock]

I kinda thought about using 2 stormwalls ( still trying to save for 1 ) with 3 storm callers. INSTANT trianglations! I do love Cents with Darius but I really want the gun game with him. Triumph is a little unloved but I think the extra armor and stealth mitigation will be very nice in the Hardcore format.

[Garath]

2 Stormwalls?

That's your 35 pt list then....and few things can stop it

[watchgeorgerock]

Darius +5
Stormwall 19
Stormwall 19
Storm Caller x2 2

35 haha that would be nuts

[bStyker]

@watchgeorgerock - I suggested that list a while back before the Stormwall was released. I still think it's a solid list, though the more that I think about it, the more that I think eNemo could run it better. Mainly because he can give both Stormwalls enough focus/turn while protecting both and having his elite cadre on the 3 Stormsmiths he can bring with it. Still, it's good with either of'em... though I don't think it'd be good for making/keeping friends. :P

[Iceman8352]

Dude,this is awesome hands down....!!!!

About advancing quickly enough-that depends on what you mean by quick.... if you NEED to get to objectives- upkeep Fortify on cent, activated cent and use shield, activate Darius and crane cent 2" forward,use stormwall to throw it forward- total distance covered 4"move+2" crane + throw- more the enough

It will not be knocked down under Fortify and will have polarity shield active

It will also not be moved while Fortify is active. Fortify makes it where the model can't be knocked down or moved outside of it's activation.

[Garath]

Checked in FOW -Cygnar
Second phrase-
Fortify:" The effected model,and any friendly model in BTB contact with it cannot be knocked down,pushed or slammed "

Nothing states about throwing...unless you cannot be thrown if you cannot be pushed...

[ShepMachine]

I am definitely onboard with increasing the ranged potential of a darius list.

You won't be screaming across the board, and control casters will dance around you all day long.

In hardcore, you don't have to worry about getting locked out of a zone, as close quarters is pretty unwinnable, but ranged is what makes speed 4 jacks work.

Darius just loves our "modern" jacks. MAT6 isn't a hurdle for him, and armor 19 as a starting point makes it that much more likely that your feat will have some relevance.

If you build turns around NOT using full throttle, then he actually has a full 6 focus to allocate and camp. That makes a jack based gunline pretty doable.

Also, jackhammer is just gorgeous when used on a jack that has a good melee weapon AND an excellent gun.

Crane can add around 3" to an avenger shot, letting aim happen more or just getting it downfield. And lastly, you won't get the quake effect, but its pretty easy to hit even an engaged lightning pod with the avenger's quake cannon, so you can get some very precision high def removal.

I also want to say that when you run darius as an armored gunline, detonate actually becomes an ability that is quite good. Taking a pow14 on your stormwall with fortify on it will likely not do anything to it, but it will wipe out models that ran to engage.

If I may George, I'd like to tweak your great concept...

darius
stormwall
avenger
avenger
sylys

journeyman warcaster
hunter

ayanna and holt

ragman

reinholdt


That is actually a terrifying amount of firepower. It is inaccurate, but since we aren't leaning on full throttle every turn, darius can give 6 focus out. Move forward like a BOSS every turn, and just roll that seismic cannon barrage forward. Be annoying with covering fire, shoot at lightning pods with seismic shots when you need to reach out and touch those stealthed models, and once you get to the front edge of your zone, set up some mines in front of your jacks.

If someone decides to take a crack at your stormwall, it could get ugly for them. Ayanna kisses something, the ragman can actually work thanks to the size of stormwalls base, and then darius activates, explodes mines, repairs and full throttles. Equivalent pow24s on stormwall and pow22s on the avengers, all boosted to hit, should merk anything.

Ayanna are needed for troublesome incorporeal stuff, and to keep menoth honest, they can help take down light and fast stuff. People WILL try and get around to your rear. Reinholdt could be a stormcaller if you wanted, but I like him for the occasional second steam cannon shot, or the double secret arcantrik bolt.

[bStyker]

@Shepmachine

-I'm right there with you on this. It's very close to what I've been running with Darius, and it has been a big success for me thus-far. I've been waiting on breaking out the Avengers until I get the models, as I will be buying two Alt-Heavy Jacks and Magnetizing them so that I can field them as Centurions as well. I'd really like to see the Avengers do their thing with Darius. The KD effects are really useful for focus efficiency on the Stormwall as well. Now, as for the Ragman, I think you're right on the ball. I had forgotten about that little guy for quite some time to be honest, and with the Stormwall around, you can bet he'll get a lot of use.

... as much as I like the idea of the JWC & Hunter, I almost think you could drop the Hunter and pick up 6 more points of goodies. These could include 3 Stormsmiths and Eiryss, or perhaps a better choice may be the B13 and Arlan Strangeways. Between stealth mitigation and the beauty that is hitting your own Avenger in the back with Mage Storm in order to ensure that it can't be charged by non-reach infantry, you're looking pretty good. Stealth mitigation (although slight) would be an excellent addition as well. Arlan would help out with repairs and Evasion, plus an additional focus on Avengers for those moments when all you want to do is hit with their cannon.

Yup, that's what I'm thinking right now. Here's a quick re-write for those who want to rip this apart to see if we can make it better.

Darius (+5)
-Stormwall (19)
-Avenger x 2 (18)
-Sylys (2)

Aiyanna & Holt (4)
The Black 13th Strike Force (4)
Journeyman Warcaster (3)
Arlan Strangeways (2)
Ragman (2)
Reinholt (1)

=50pts

[watchgeorgerock]

All great ideas!. The only thing im not sold on my list is the rangers but I do see what they can do for my list. I would love to put in ragman and 3 storm callers or even Aiyanna and Holt. If the Avenger was out i would definitely use it over the defender but I plan on playing this at Diecon at the end of the month. Triumph I know isn't the most loved model but I think he has good survival rate and with my strategy he will be a good way to deal with Gorman and Tartersauce or Elven hooker. I feel I will just have to risk dealing with incorp models. I love reinholt with Darius but with this list if I am shooting and not repairing im doing something wrong

[watchgeorgerock]

what do you guys think about this list
Captain E. Dominic Darius (*5pts)
* Stormwall (19pts)
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts)
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4pts)
Sword Knights (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Hunter (6pts)
* Hunter (6pts)
* Sword Knight Officer & Standard (2pts)
Captain Arlan Strangewayes (2pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Ragman (2pts)
Stormsmith Stormcaller (1pts)
Stormsmith Stormcaller (1pts)
Stormsmith Stormcaller (1pts)