Rahn 50 Pts

[Azrael305]

Morning all - doing some research on the forums here on Rahn and took the advice of many. Just want some final critiques on this list before I start running it competetively in league/tourney play. Thanks in advance.

Adeptis Rahn +6 points
* 2x Phoenix 10 points each
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker 2 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
10 Dawnguard Sentinels 9 points
* Sentinel Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
House Shyeel Battle Mages 5 points
House Shyeel Magister 2 points
10 Mage Hunter Strike Force 8 points
* Mage Hunter Commander 2 points
Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios 3 points

[MMMMK]

I think it's solid and very similar to most competitive Rahn lists. You might consider dropping Narn +Soulless and adding in something else for 4 points, but I think the list works well as-is.

[Azrael305]

Think two MHAs in place of narn and the soulless would work better?

[Code]

Oh yeah, I would definitely make that swap.

[joelker41]

My usual list that went 4-1 in games at L&L last weekend:


50+6 points, 37 models

Adeptis Rahn +6 points
* Banshee 10 points
* Phoenix 10 points

2x Arcanist 1 point each
10 Dawnguard Sentinels 9 points
* Sentinel Officer & Standard 2 points
* 1 Soulless Escort 1 point
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution 3 points
House Shyeel Battle Mages 5 points
2x Mage Hunter Assassin 2 points each
10 Nyss Hunters 10 points


Honestly is my most consistent list.

[Tol]

How do you feel about the MHSF with UA in place of the Nyss Hunters?

Do the Nyss Hunters bring something to the table that ignoring LOS doesn't beat?

Is the Weaponmaster that much stronger than Jack Hunter?

@Azrael - I have a hard time spending the 2 points on a Magister when you can take a Mage Hunter Assassin. Even on Rahn's feat turn, that Power 10 can only hit so hard.

[Murkhadh]

Tol I like this list. a lot

Rahn is the best caster for narn, Narn does some cool things, his major weakness is threat range, something that rahn can fix for him with Telekinesis.

the mhsf is good with rahn as well. There are many casters in the game that if you knock them down, die easily to arcane assasin pow 10's

You have everything that I think is required to make a good rahn list.

2 arcnodes, and 2 phoenix's is my fav way to do that.

Heavy hitters, Sents and the phoenix do this just fine. some mages and magister? check

I like the list, play it some see how it goes.

The main difference in my rahn list is mage hunter assasins, half of the problem they have is hitting t heir target, knock it down first and you have fixed that. you can also do fun things with tk to increase their threat range.

Nyss are also good with him.

you have lots of options but I would play your original list a few times and see how you do with it. Its not bad.

[Tol]

Original list is Azrael's (your inbox is full btw).

My list is honestly extremely similar. I'm intrigued by the Banshee, I don't currently own one, I run a pair of Phoenix's because I know the model well and having the two arcnodes forces the enemy to make a decision in what they want to focus on. That's also why I don't rum any of our light jacks, except the Griffon. I am attracted to the extra point of Armor on the Banshee though, but Phoenix Field does account for quite a bit of healing in a lot of my games, I worry about Banshee's cannon as it's relying on a RAT 5 I believe to hit which is too low for my comfort level. I guess you can boost to hit.

I've historically had better luck with the Mage Hunter Assassins than I've had with Narn. Acrobatics is great, but Decapitation is better.

Honestly the Meta here at my local store, theres about a dozen regulars another dozen who come now and then, they're getting pretty tired of my caster kills.

[joelker41]

How do you feel about the MHSF with UA in place of the Nyss Hunters?

Do the Nyss Hunters bring something to the table that ignoring LOS doesn't beat?

Is the Weaponmaster that much stronger than Jack Hunter?

@Azrael - I have a hard time spending the 2 points on a Magister when you can take a Mage Hunter Assassin. Even on Rahn's feat turn, that Power 10 can only hit so hard.

Hunter, accurate shooting with CRAs, and 4 d6 vs everything in melee is the main reasons. They also get some blast protection from Rahn but so do MHSF. I personally believe that MHSF + UA should be a reinforcement option with Rahn and not something that should be put in the base list IMO.

[Murkhadh]

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I personally don't like the banshee with Rahn, I think its redundant, rahn already has a ton of knockdown, I much prefer two phoenix's, having an arcnode on each flank makes it impossible for the opponent to tell where the attack is going to come from, you don't have to make this decision yourself until after your opponent commits.

My rahn list has 2 mha's and narn, I now have 3 missiles to fling at things. Where narn shines is vs warmachine, run a phoenix, tk their caster closer to narn and turn the caster around, tk narn closer to their caster, narn can now get into melee with a caster that was originally 14 inches away(acrobatics is awesome here), with 2 mat 8 pow 11 arcanse assasin weaponmaster attacks, he will finish a lot of casters.

[Murkhadh]

Hunter, accurate shooting with CRAs, and 4 d6 vs everything in melee is the main reasons. They also get some blast protection from Rahn but so do MHSF. I personally believe that MHSF + UA should be a reinforcement option with Rahn and not something that should be put in the base list IMO.

I love the Nyss hunters, they don't need much support and can function on their own, I bring them with a different caster though so they aren't with Rahn.

I do bring mhsf with rahn though as an RF.

[Tol]

Narn over Eiryss? I've found Eiryss to be exceptionally annoying, but the MHA's typically do the heavy lifting and it's usually my Phoenix that gets the caster kill via a charge lane opened up after some creative TKing.

[joelker41]

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I personally don't like the banshee with Rahn, I think its redundant, rahn already has a ton of knockdown, I much prefer two phoenix's, having an arcnode on each flank makes it impossible for the opponent to tell where the attack is going to come from, you don't have to make this decision yourself until after your opponent commits.

This I personally thing is kind of the 'old way' of thinking with Rahn. 2xPhoenix is expected. Two chances at Knockdown on feat turn, or Wailing in the right situation, or slamming models into the opposing Eiryss without risking your arc node or Rahn worked wonders for me. You can't go into list building thinking 'X is the only way to play X' because that's where you run into traps. I once thought 2xPhoenix was the only way to go as well so I've been there.


I don't usually play Rahn and Ravyn in the same tournament so I won't use the Nyss with her. Rahn doesn't require faction models for any of his coolness to help them.

[Murkhadh]

This I personally thing is kind of the 'old way' of thinking with Rahn. 2xPhoenix is expected. Two chances at Knockdown on feat turn, or Wailing in the right situation, or slamming models into the opposing Eiryss without risking your arc node or Rahn worked wonders for me. You can't go into list building thinking 'X is the only way to play X' because that's where you run into traps. I once thought 2xPhoenix was the only way to go as well so I've been there.


I don't usually play Rahn and Ravyn in the same tournament so I won't use the Nyss with her. Rahn doesn't require faction models for any of his coolness to help them.

Whoa whoa, Your putting words in my mouth, Your right, you shouldn't go into list building thinking x is the only way to build. BUT there are certain things most casters wont, regardless of the rest of the list.

Ravyn wants a unit of MHSF and the Discordia.

Rahn wants to arc spells and he wants two arcnodes because if you only bring one, your opponent focus's that one down in a hurry or disrupts it etc, he's cut your range of your amazing spell list. At no point did I say two phoenix's is a requirement though, you can do two arcnodes with chimera's etc. 2 Phoenix's is however my personal fav way to do it.

I gave examples of lots of differnet ways to fill out the list, this was a prime example of now thinking x is the only way to play.

The fact that I do bring two phoenix's though is probably part of why I do okay with Ravyn and Rahn together. My rahn list handles mass stealth (more than one unit) pretty well due to dual combustion, covering fire and sentinels with polarity shield. Ravyn can kill one unit of stealthed things okay but more than one or a unit of stealthed things with regrowth or mass bane thralls can be problematic.

[Murkhadh]

Narn over Eiryss? I've found Eiryss to be exceptionally annoying, but the MHA's typically do the heavy lifting and it's usually my Phoenix that gets the caster kill via a charge lane opened up after some creative TKing.

I always build my lists character restricted so I'm used to them come tournaments. Eiryss I almost always bring with Ravyn. She's always good to have around though.

[Azrael305]

Thanks for all the feedback guys - the discussions listed gave me a bunch of ideas I want to try out.

@Murkhadh - definitely going to try this list out first then branch out to try some of the other ideas listed.

I definitely like the two arcnodes with phoenix but the idea of adding another element in the banshee is nice as well. Lots of play testing up ahead for me.

Alternate list would be the same minus the soulless and narn for 2 MHA and swap a phoenix for a banshee. Going to try out all possible combos.

Thanks guys really appreciate

[Tol]

I know that we'd lose the Arc Node using the Banshee, but something about that Cannon plus the extra point of ARM.

Though I guess the Phoenix Field makes up for that, that is, if one remembers to roll it. ;-)

[Murkhadh]

I know that we'd lose the Arc Node using the Banshee, but something about that Cannon plus the extra point of ARM.

Though I guess the Phoenix Field makes up for that, that is, if one remembers to roll it. ;-)

the jacks with forcefields are generally more survivable than the ones without, the 1 one extra armor doesn't make up for the overall less boxes and more easily disabled systems.

[Murkhadh]

I know that we'd lose the Arc Node using the Banshee, but something about that Cannon plus the extra point of ARM.

Though I guess the Phoenix Field makes up for that, that is, if one remembers to roll it. ;-)

the jacks with forcefields are generally more survivable than the ones without, the 1 one extra armor doesn't make up for the overall less boxes and more easily disabled systems. In the Phoenix's case, the phoenix field makes it even better.

Also knowing you can take a free without loosing a system is often clutch later in the game.

[Tol]

No wonder your post count is so high.