The Gargantuans look good so far except...

[Crimsus]

So I saw some of the photos of the Gargantuans. The Archangel is superb, the Mountain King is really great too.

Then I got to the photo of the WoldWrath/Circle Orboros Gargantuan. I'm sorry, but after seeing the beauty and detail of the other two mentioned above, I saw the Circle Orboros Gargantuan and thought vanilla Warjack. It just looks very blah. Nothing spectacular to its looks or anything. I'm really hoping it's not too late to revisit the sculpt for it.

-Crimsus

[PG_LunarSol]

So I saw some of the photos of the Gargantuans. The Archangel is superb, the Mountain King is really great too.

Then I got to the photo of the WoldWrath/Circle Orboros Gargantuan. I'm sorry, but after seeing the beauty and detail of the other two mentioned above, I saw the Circle Orboros Gargantuan and thought vanilla Warjack. It just looks very blah. Nothing spectacular to its looks or anything. I'm really hoping it's not too late to revisit the sculpt for it.

-Crimsus

I thought the same, but a lot of it has to do with the pictures and the material its currently made out of. If you see some of the videos of it, you can see there's a ton of detail in the carved runes all over the thing, it just doesn't show in the stills very well with the white material.

[SteampunkWino]

I don't play Circle anymore but as a person who enjoys converting, I think models like the Woldwrath present excellent opportunities to personalize a center piece model.

[PG_Ravyn]

Having seen it in person and talked to the guy who sculpted it, he's a lovely mini! Beautiful detail, and a lot of personality. Wait till you see it in person!

[Cronix]

Having seen it in person and talked to the guy who sculpted it, he's a lovely mini! Beautiful detail, and a lot of personality. Wait till you see it in person!

The pictures that we have seen where not sharp, too dark or not a close-up (people that wwhere on L&L many thanks for sharing the photo's)... cannot wait for the painted 360 version.

[Geoph86]

When I first saw the picture I though the same thing. I thought it was really bland, and it was one of the ones I was most excited about, so I was disappointed. I watched the video this morning, and all of a sudden my thoughts on it changed. The video really shows the detail on it a lot better. I also think when it's fully painted it's going to look way better too. So in conclusion I'm gonna start saving now so I can afford one in 2014.

[Dragontailxx]

In my opinion, the wrath looks like a bathysphere with legs, compared to the squarer Woldwarden and other Wold creatures.

[komodokeeper]

So how long until we so a Megalith in a beatboy pose?

discuss...

[PG_Alviaran]

My problem with the model is really that from the front, it looks like a ball for the body. It's terrible. Getting the other angles, it does look a LOT better. I might have to do something about the pose. And while not as actiony, I might try to mimic the Monsternomicon pose because it just exudes POWER.

[Green_Lumux]

I keep getting metal flashes of this.

http://monsterpocalypse.com/gallery/...nal/robo-kondo

[Jack Spratt]

I think it looks pretty cool. Before I was certain that I was going to get the mountain king for my trolls, but after seeing the woldwrath I am not so sure anymore. (I only plan on getting one of those big bastards - wife).

[mathieu]

Having seen it in person and talked to the guy who sculpted it, he's a lovely mini!

How does talking to the sculptor give you any more authority on evaluating how pretty the miniature is?

I don't mind the model at all, and, even more so that regular size 30mm models, it will change a lot once painted. In general I think the sculptors did pretty solid jobs on all the Colossals/Gargantuans. What I'm more unimpressed about are the concepts of these things... Except for the more creative Cryx Kraken, everything coming out is hardly more than an inflated version of a regular jack/beast. Great sculpts, sure, but very weak in terms of originality and creativity.

[Sanguinary Dan]

Where you hoping for a totally different look than is normal for the faction? That doesn't really make a lot of sense. A Khador Colossal should look like a Khador jack. A Circle Gargantuan needs to look like a Circle construct.

[PG_munkeee]

I keep getting metal flashes of this.

http://monsterpocalypse.com/gallery/...nal/robo-kondo

LOL! I thought it looked familiar!!

[PG_gribble]

I keep getting metal flashes of this.

http://monsterpocalypse.com/gallery/...nal/robo-kondo

Ha ha! I have to admit to having the same thought myself initially - like "at least all the MonPoc design was put to good use!"

[Lachlan the Mad]

Maybe it's just a case of the Circle discovering the true power of shoulder pads. Or possibly picking up the same subscription to Iosian fashion magazines that Vlad has.

[toku]

I keep getting metal flashes of this.

http://monsterpocalypse.com/gallery/...nal/robo-kondo

for comparison http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../woldwrath.jpg

Not sure how poseable , but I hope it can be reposed like this.

[Chip]

How does talking to the sculptor give you any more authority on evaluating how pretty the miniature is?

Every time I talk to any kind of artist, I get a new appreciation of their work - they're the only people who can REALLY point out all the little details other people miss.

I don't mind the model at all, and, even more so that regular size 30mm models, it will change a lot once painted. In general I think the sculptors did pretty solid jobs on all the Colossals/Gargantuans. What I'm more unimpressed about are the concepts of these things... Except for the more creative Cryx Kraken, everything coming out is hardly more than an inflated version of a regular jack/beast. Great sculpts, sure, but very weak in terms of originality and creativity.

...Am I the only person that likes that? They're all just massive versions of what they have already, but that's cool! Besides, who honestly hasn't looked at a Titan and thought "it's a cool concept, but it'd be better if it was twelve stories tall..."?

[WarpedWolf]

Well, I like the look of the Woldwrath. But can someone point me to this video?

Edit: Nevermind, found a clip. This thing looks like Stonehenge got pissed off and got up to kick your ***.

[mathieu]

Where you hoping for a totally different look than is normal for the faction? That doesn't really make a lot of sense. A Khador Colossal should look like a Khador jack. A Circle Gargantuan needs to look like a Circle construct.

No they should not. Most if not all of the battle engines look like nothing else within their respective faction, and yet clearly are a part of that faction. Circle is just about the worst example you could provide as PP could have easily come up with some crazy new beast with the usual armor pieces that doesn't look like just another, larger wold. Same thing with Skorne, there really is a lot of room for generating something completely different from what they already have in spades. And the Trolls could have gotten a giant elemental dire troll combining several elements instead of yet another dire troll with bigger stones on his skin. Or something, I'm just spitballing.
I'll admit that it would have been a bit more complex for WM but not really impossible either when you have such pool of creative people together.

[PG_dbsmash]

After seeing it at Lock & Load, I too think it looks good. I can't wait to see how it looks painted. And the Arch-Angel is going to be sweet!

[Crimsus]

I don't know. When I think Gargantuan I'm thinking the models should embody the entire faction and what it is about. For Circle, I was thinking that something more like a creature that is almost the Devourer incarnate. I can see the runes sculpted into the Woldwrath but there's that Warjack look to it that just kind of deflates what I think of it.

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate it, but again, it just seems like a vanilla warjack. I'm not entirely certain I'm going to invest into any of the Gargantuans for play though since so far they look to be having the power that the Battle Engines needed but now the Gargantuans mechanics and stuff look a bit overkill. That's going into a different tangent though so I'll stop.

[Domoto]

I think, and this is only my opinion that having their gargantuan be a giant construct was a pretty good idea. Since the others are basically just Giant Beast's, setting yourself apart isn't always a bad thing. I am biased with my love of anything and everything Golem/Construct-esque so that does account for a big part of it. It seems though that the Models are a little different in person from what I have read, so maybe if you get a chance to see one, you would warm up to it more?

[PG_Cloud-Gatherer]

Since people have been clamoring for a Woldwrath since Monsternomicon II came out, I don't see how the Circle's gargantuan could have been anything else. I mean, the thing has been established in the setting for YEARS, and now there are finally rules that would make it appropriate to put on the table, but you want them to go off in some totally new direction just because? Everybody's entitled to his or her opinion, sure, but that's pretty arbitrary.

As far as the colossals go, of COURSE they just look like giant warjacks, because that's exactly what they are. Or rather, warjacks were originally designed as miniature colossals, and now the technology has reached a point where the old colossals' weaknesses can be overcome. The colossals look exactly how they should.

[The Antipope]

As far as the colossals go, of COURSE they just look like giant warjacks, because that's exactly what they are. Or rather, warjacks were originally designed as miniature colossals, and now the technology has reached a point where the old colossals' weaknesses can be overcome. The colossals look exactly how they should.

This. I like that the Battle Engines were something weird, while the Colossals are what they are. If anything I think the Kraken should have been a BE while the Wraith Engine should have been the Colossal.

The Gargantuans run along the same lines. The BEs were something odd and unseen while the Gargantuans are just massive versions of beats. Good. Personally I think the Circle BE is one of the strangest and greatest models that PP produce. I'm happy to see a Woldwrath as their Gargantuan.

[Crimsus]

As far as the colossals go, of COURSE they just look like giant warjacks, because that's exactly what they are. Or rather, warjacks were originally designed as miniature colossals, and now the technology has reached a point where the old colossals' weaknesses can be overcome. The colossals look exactly how they should.

My issue isn't with Colossals looking like Warjacks, that's not even what I said. It was the Gargantuan for Circle looking like a Warjack. Calm down.

The way I see Warmachine and Hordes is that Warmachine is basically a twist on Steampunk-based gaming, and Hordes a new avenue for Fantasy/Creature-based gaming. The Woldwrath just looks a bit too Warjack to me and not enough Creature.

Let's not start the finger pointing nonsense. I just wanted to openly share my thoughts.

[paspinall]

but the Woldwrath has been a known design for years and years, I mean the rest of the Circle constructs are based off of it so to suddenly find its a bit warjack looking is kinda weird.

[Heavygear]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...PG&h=iAQEX_TUu

It doesn't look bad to me. Lots of detail.

[KhisanthMagus]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...PG&h=iAQEX_TUu

It doesn't look bad to me. Lots of detail.

"It's clobbering time!"

[Heavygear]

I don't know. When I think Gargantuan I'm thinking the models should embody the entire faction and what it is about. For Circle, I was thinking that something more like a creature that is almost the Devourer incarnate. I can see the runes sculpted into the Woldwrath but there's that Warjack look to it that just kind of deflates what I think of it.



Would you have prefered something like this?


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/P.../beastele2.jpg

[mathieu]

Since people have been clamoring for a Woldwrath since Monsternomicon II came out, I don't see how the Circle's gargantuan could have been anything else. I mean, the thing has been established in the setting for YEARS, and now there are finally rules that would make it appropriate to put on the table, but you want them to go off in some totally new direction just because? Everybody's entitled to his or her opinion, sure, but that's pretty arbitrary.

That's not arbitrary at all. You do bring up a good point though, it does make sense that the Circle's Gargantuan be the Woldwrath since it was featured in the Monsternomicon. And I suppose that, to some extent, it was also expected that the Legion's Gargantuan be a dragon. I don't think it was absolutely necessary that this dragon looked so similar to a regular Legion heavy though. I mean the extreme Carnivean is exhibit A that PP can do a Legion beast that is clearly a legion beast but not yet another iteration of the standard (and not very well done) Carnivean. The lack of originality goes so far as to including even more Tyranid features on this dragon (as if the Legion beasts needed to take more inspiration from there). I guess we'll see what they manage to pull off on the finished model.

On the other hand, there really was no reason to just create a larger Dire Troll, especially not one with so many features in common with Mulg, and even fewer reasons to make a large titan and call it a day for Skorne. Like I said before, it's not like PP has ever had trouble coming up with new creatures for Skorne.

As far as the colossals go, of COURSE they just look like giant warjacks, because that's exactly what they are. Or rather, warjacks were originally designed as miniature colossals, and now the technology has reached a point where the old colossals' weaknesses can be overcome. The colossals look exactly how they should.

Yes and no. Sure the original Warjacks were built as smaller, more efficient versions of the first Colossals. But these new versions of the Colossals have nothing to do with the original ones, except for bearing the same title. It's not about overcoming the old Colossals weaknesses and bringing them back to the battlefield, it's about building structures that are larger than the warjacks (but still much smaller than the original Colossals) so as to bring more firepower. Nothing says they have to look like warjacks. Nothing says they have to be bipedal for that matters, especially since the point is to carry more weaponry. Giving them a similar design to existing warjacks in their respective armies is what's arbitrary in my opinion; PP designers could have gone literally any direction they wanted other than this relatively bland one.

And before this gets misread by some fan who traded reading for obsequious bloodthirst, I'm not saying anything about the sculpts of these models. I really like all the models we've seen thus far, I love the amount and fineness of the details, and I applaud PP for finally managed to get something decent out of resin. I just think the designs *could* have been more creative than they actually are.

[Wishing]

Since people have been clamoring for a Woldwrath since Monsternomicon II came out, I don't see how the Circle's gargantuan could have been anything else. I mean, the thing has been established in the setting for YEARS, and now there are finally rules that would make it appropriate to put on the table, but you want them to go off in some totally new direction just because? Everybody's entitled to his or her opinion, sure, but that's pretty arbitrary.

As far as the colossals go, of COURSE they just look like giant warjacks, because that's exactly what they are. Or rather, warjacks were originally designed as miniature colossals, and now the technology has reached a point where the old colossals' weaknesses can be overcome. The colossals look exactly how they should.

I personally like the colossals more than the gargantuans in terms of originality. To me, the Stormwall doesn't look like an oversized Defender, the Conquest doesn't look like a big Juggernaut, etc. However, the Mountain King looks like a big Mulg (with a slightly altered face), the Mammoth seems to look like a big titan, etc. The Archangel seems the most original so far, in that it combines the attributes of different beast chassis (basically a huge teraph crossed with a seraph). The other gargantuans are just upscaled versions of a single normal chassis.

[Crimsus]

Would you have prefered something like this?


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/P.../beastele2.jpg

It is certainly a lot closer to what I envision when I think Circle, at least along the lines of being more beasty and primal.

[Maou_Mint]

I keep getting metal flashes of this.

http://monsterpocalypse.com/gallery/...nal/robo-kondo

Heh, glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

[PG_Cloud-Gatherer]

Yes and no. Sure the original Warjacks were built as smaller, more efficient versions of the first Colossals. But these new versions of the Colossals have nothing to do with the original ones, except for bearing the same title. It's not about overcoming the old Colossals weaknesses and bringing them back to the battlefield...

If you read Colossals, that's exactly what it's about. The current generation of colossals was brought to the battlefield almost entirely because Sebastian Nemo mind-linked with an old wrecked colossal and he couldn't get the experience out of his head. This led to the designs for the Stormwall, which were partially stolen by Khador and led to the Conquest, and the arms race between those countries led the Harbinger to command the construction of the Judicator. This entire state of affairs led opportunistic jack-builders to try their hand at designing their own colossal, and thus the Galleon was born. Of the current generation of non-Iosan colossals, only the Kraken isn't somehow connected to Nemo's experience with an ancient colossal, and the first Krakens were built when Cryx used necromancy to get the original colossals' builders to work for them post mortem. So yes, the current generation of colossals has quite a bit to do with the originals.

[blakeh1]

What do people really expect, its a bunch of rocks and sticks. How detailed is that?

I think it looks good. Lots of carved runes. Its pretty much what I would expect.

[gaminguy]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...PG&h=iAQEX_TUu

It doesn't look bad to me. Lots of detail.

Leaving out the question of detail, is it just me or is that thing gigantic? Without seeing them side-by-side it looks like it would dwarf the MKing