pDenny ver 3.0 I'm getting rolled need advice

[hereticwolf]

Here we go
pDenny
Nightmare (anything better for the pts?)
Death ripper
Death ripper
Max bane thralls w/ UA
Bane Lord Mr T
Pistol wraith
Bloat thrall

So no WWS but I didn't see the point for only one. I don't yet own WSC but it will. But I will be picking them up this week. I'm running the bloat thrall to try and mitigate the cygnar tempest dudes a bit run him up to them shoot get killed take them with him . Any advice is welcome

[Bronze]

You certainly shouldn't be getting rolled.
And there isn't anything in your list that really screams change. There are numerous flavors of an approach with her. Nearly all of your hard hitters and key components are stealthed or incorporeal save your nodes and a bloat.

It is probably just your playstyle that you will have to pick up. Small tactical components will make a huge difference.
If Nightmare is being alpha-striked by something else, there's a problem.
If you find yourself not getting a crippling grasp on your opponent, there's an issue and your nodes need themselves back further or taking advantage of terrain.
Perhaps you are feating too early, or too late; both of which could be problematic.
If you find your unit being destroyed in one turn, then you would want to focus on baiting with a thrall or two in front of the rest of the unit, and don't put Tartarus on the front line.
Or it could be that your simply up against a Legion list relying on stealth as a savior for all that we know.

Those are just a couple things that I can see would cause a swing in the other direction with this list if not paid attention to. So if you describe what typically happens over the course of a match, then further feedback from individuals could be given from everyone reading.

[hereticwolf]

So basically what your saying is play more games and learn the army , that works thanks for the advice

[bonesaww666]

I think he was asking for specific events that lead to you being steam rolled... That would be the only way to give you advice... Or maybe you could let on to what specific builds are kicking 7 shades of brownstuff outta you...

[Rumor]

You mentioned gun mages, are you playing mostly against one Cygnar player/friend here? if so thats why your banes are near useless as they are stone cold to ATGM & B13.

If its one guy you are learning the game with and playing over and over then you need to find some other people to play and try the list out vs other factions before you write it off, or ask him to try not taking the ATGM to see how you go without them in there.

The list you have is fine, so there must be a reason other than the list.

[Bronze]

You mentioned gun mages, are you playing mostly against one Cygnar player/friend here? if so thats why your banes are near useless as they are stone cold to ATGM & B13.

If its one guy you are learning the game with and playing over and over then you need to find some other people to play and try the list out vs other factions before you write it off, or ask him to try not taking the ATGM to see how you go without them in there.

The list you have is fine, so there must be a reason other than the list.

Yeah, missed that part of your comment. Against ATGMs you'll typically want to use Satyixis Raiders as a choice if you are consistently playing against him. Occassionally this happens. You and a friend want to spend a good deal of time playing against one another. And if that's the case you want high defense to mitigate the ATGMs. So a unit with raiders and a sea witch will put a lot of heat on him. And you'll typically be just running them down his throat engaging him from a ridiculous threat range. So if you two are going to be facing off against one another consistently that's one unit I would suggest. And that unit will see play in so many various other lists for the future.

In your current list you really have to rely upon running up an arc node and spamming a spray or two from 'Venom' with boosted rolls (or during feat turn) to wipe them out if you can get the angles. That unit (ATGMs) can be a real issue against many different lists, they're quite versatile. If they also have Black 13th with them then you're really trying to play a stealth army against a list that ignores stealth, so not the best matchup.

[bonesaww666]

Try a Nightmare with the Coven, with their feat and infernal machine you may just get a chargein to stop them. I'm just starting withthe coven and have no Nightmare and I have been having a hell of a time with Cygnar, so this is my next setup...