15pt game pIrusk (Not M.M.)

[Steamwitch]

Alright my personal group hav grown with me playing Khador, pmagnus, and legion as my hoards faction. We have a rhuleic, cygnar/Trollbloods, Circle, Retibutton, and now a cryx and menoth player. All we are missing is scorn, and minions and my rhulic player is lookin at pigs. We are still in our 15pt funk but were not doin m.m. Anymore (thank you!) I have been playing mostly high ARM like pButcher w/ 3 juggies, karchev and 2 spriggan, hark and friends. But now that we have gone pst m.m. I want to shift gears. Vanilla Irusk looks like a good place to start. I was gonna run something like this pIrusk +6wjpts
Spriggan -9 (teir)
Iron fang pikeman (min)-5
Iron fang pikeman standard -2
(black or classic idk)
Great Bears of Gallowswood -5

How well would this do? I am aware of the loss of any shooting at all but irusks teir is more for melle than anything i was thinking min bombadeirs over standard and bears. what would you make? I have one of almost everything now.

[PG_ratch]

One of almost everything? why are you playing 15p? Whatever floats your boat.
the list looks good IMO. you don't want to drop the UA for IFP. its what will make them good in these points.
If you go Black Dragon IFP you "Could" drop the bears for something else. i would say Widows and Dog.
since your moving away from MM that setup should have some good potential.
the BDIFP would be your IF and Battle lust targets and the Spriggan would get Superiority.
the Widows can take out a good portion of the enemy Infantry.
depending on what your opponents plan to play, you could go ahead and keep the Bears.

[Steamwitch]

thats one thing i considerd too is great bears or blackdragons thing. I really want a shooting unit but we dont have errant ironfangs yet but widow makers look better and better. I was thinking of doing a moarter crew and joe to aim for them?

[SuperTheBoss]

I don't know what you would want to get rid of, but I've used the MoW Drakhun with pIrusk in small games to great effect. Throw battle lust on him and he will pretty much one-shot anything from 12" away.

[Darguth]

One of almost everything? why are you playing 15p? Whatever floats your boat.
the list looks good IMO. you don't want to drop the UA for IFP. its what will make them good in these points.
If you go Black Dragon IFP you "Could" drop the bears for something else. i would say Widows and Dog.
since your moving away from MM that setup should have some good potential.
the BDIFP would be your IF and Battle lust targets and the Spriggan would get Superiority.
the Widows can take out a good portion of the enemy Infantry.
depending on what your opponents plan to play, you could go ahead and keep the Bears.

I think this is some fair advice. I'd suggest experimenting and see what works best for you. I think the IFP plus either UA will be your staple unit. Try out both UA's and see which you prefer, they both have their pro's and con's. I, personally, would err towards the standard UA myself. pIrusk has no way to give the unit Pathfinder and you may find you need that via Relentless Charge.

As for the support unit behind the IFP wall I think either the Great Bears or Widowmakers could work. You might also consider the WG Rifle Corps (min) as a 5pt shooty option. Suppressing fire is pretty awesome in protecting your IFP on the advance and then for punishing whatever unit they tie up. I think, again personally, I'd err towards the Widowmakers. They are just a self-sufficient, dependable unit. They aren't gimmicky or situational. They always provide solid, accurate, dependable anti-infantry support.

[Flora]

I don't know if you mentioned keeping the list in tier forces or not, but a Winter guard death star (full wgi + ua + kovnik Joe + rocketeers) is really good at low point levels, especially with pIrusk. The list would look something like:

pIrusk +6
Spriggan 10 (or take a 9 point jack, personal preference)
Full WGI + ua 8
1 WGI rocketeer 1
kovnik Joe 2

If you take an 8 or 9 point jack you can add in more rocketeers, but the Spriggan is really good.

[Steamwitch]

Im not crazy about the teir but im trying to avoid the wg, ka trap. Im leaning toward ifp for that reason. Mabey i could go behemoth?

[PG_ratch]

behemoth i don't think would be a good option at 15p. the Spriggan is probably going to perform just as good as a Behemoth. your going to have more utility with spriggan as well. if you run the Widows you'll have a stealth remover for them with the Spriggan Flares.

[Steamwitch]

true, i was hopeing to rely on airburst to kill the stealth outright. Is it just too weak? I figgure im rolling dice-4 on average vs stealth modles the magehunter assassin an ua are just a pain most of the time a kayazy assassin blitz or eleminators pair run in and get stuck in to kill them.