Woldwrath Speculation

[Bloodwind]

My prediction is that all of the numbers will be too low, and lots of people are going to complain and ***** that he's too weak, and not worth playing. Meanwhile a more experienced player will take him through his paces and challenge people with the new models at a big tournament and make everyone realize that PP isn't retarded.

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lol, that's my 700th post?

[redcap71]

I hope the Circle forum is better than that the doom and Gloom in the Troll Forums is ridicules. One thing to keep in mind is that Colossals are meant to balance out some of the inequity in the Fury Vs Focus Mechanic which we have certainly enjoyed thus far. Times are going to be a bit harder for Hordes since we've enjoyed a pretty decent advantage.

[PPS_Will]

I kinda wish they would jus spoil the card. Kinda a ***** move on wills part saying he's going to use the wold wrath and hence be spoiled and then doesn't, and then gives us very little info on it .. Ruined Christmas in summer for sure.

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

[Mercykiller]

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

Your avatar ... that's what you're doing right now isn't it?

[Warcaster Feiss]

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

Talk about teasers!!!

Lightning Storms sounds awesome... anything that isn't blast damage (pesky Satyxis!) is awesomesauce in my books!!!

[J. Beatnik]

Thanks for the reply, Will. I just started Circle with pBaldur, and I'm really looking forward to the Woldwrath someday.

[rpavers]

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

I guess that's a slight improvement from original spoilers...

[Legrasse]

I guess that's a slight improvement from original spoilers...

You guys need to prepare yourselves for FURY 3. I am very serious.

[eliassmith27]

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

wonder if the knock down is only on hitting enemy models? Hope he has grided.

[Mercykiller]

Gargantuans can't be knocked down; it's baked into their rules. So no worries there.

[Bradigus]

Lightning Storm AOE's and 4" AOE melee knockdowns... I WANT ONE NOW!!

[Brandubh]

Here's the deal with the Woldwrath, assuming it's SPD 4, we're pretty much at a loss beyond that. We can get it to an effective SPD 4 + 7 for the charge (Dog Pile & Hunter's Mark) as opposed to the SPD 7 + 7 that the Mountain King can get (eDoomy's feat, Hunter's Mark, Rush). I'm not sure if Goad would work on him - but that's an extra couple inches beyond that.

Having Troll's faster than Circle is a little depressing.

[Warcaster Feiss]

Bounding for +2" too

[rpavers]

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

I'll retract my statement of ***** move and buy a drink at gencon for you to spoil the card. Since you know you didn't play it like you know you said you would. Else I stand by it still.

[Brandubh]

Bounding for +2" too

Yep, I forgot about that. But I still think that Trolls are faster.

[Mercykiller]

Can't Goad the Mtn King; no out-of-normal movement for the big'uns.

[Jake the Dog]

Trust me. No one was more disappointed than me

I was really looking forward to dropping some lightning storm AOEs at range and enjoying the look on my opponent's face when I placed a AOE 4 template on his model after hitting it in melee and telling him everything under that template is now knocked down!

Why Will? Why do you tease us so?

[kaneblaise]

I fully expect the AOE to be on the weapon, so Sweep and Tramples won't benefit, and I sincerely hope it specifies enemy models, just so I don't have to worry about screwing order of activation up for a crucial assassination run.

[notawarmachine]

So is he as angry as a Woldwarden or is he as angry as Megalith? The thing's got "wrath" right there in its name, that indicates a certain level of pissed off retribution (sorry elves) involved, he's gotta be at least as angry as Megalith, right (he says with a hopeful look in his eye)?

And yes, I realize that this question is very likely to go unanswered until the actual rules get spoiled, but it doesn't hurt to ask...

[Legrasse]

So is he as angry as a Woldwarden or is he as angry as Megalith? The thing's got "wrath" right there in its name, that indicates a certain level of pissed off retribution (sorry elves) involved, he's gotta be at least as angry as Megalith, right (he says with a hopeful look in his eye)?

And yes, I realize that this question is very likely to go unanswered until the actual rules get spoiled, but it doesn't hurt to ask...

Why do I bother?

[Miguel]

Bounding for +2" too

Bounding is only for living warbeast I think :P


It should knock only enemy models, if not, he is going to get knocked down, and would have to sacrifice the rest of his action, right??

[Brandubh]

Bounding is only for living warbeast I think :P

I thought so too. Bounding is warbeast, Virility is living warbeast.

[Mercykiller]

Gargantuans can't be knocked down; it's baked into their rules. So no worries there.

Quoting myself as the question came up again about Quake affecting the Woldwrath

[santospr]

Why do I bother?

Fury 3 would be seen a sever smack to Circle because as it stands, we are the only hordes main faction that does not have a FURY 5 warbeast.

If what you say is true, I have a feeling many people will rage at this saying that it is to underpowered. If rocking only FURY stat 3, then I am sure as hell hoping he has 60-64 dmg boxes like the colossals (drawing same similarities between our construct heavies and warjacks), and that all other gargantuans apart from the MK are FURY 4.

I really hope it has empathetic transference, so that it may be forced to full always due to its lowish FURY (if at 3).

Also, thanks Will for posting some more spoilers, albeit indirectly! Also, will you be bringing him to Gencon then?

[Bishop84]

You guys need to prepare yourselves for FURY 3. I am very serious.

And is this based on first hand knowledge of some sort, or just personal expectation?

I have to agree that a ~19 point model with only 3 FURY is practically unuseable.

[Bladestorm]

The ability to place some Lightning Storms would already give him a fairly unique and useful ability I think. Doing that and still getting his melee attacks in is also pretty keen.

[ArchonXVI]

I have to agree that a ~19 point model with only 3 FURY is practically unuseable.

Warmachine somehow manages. If the stats are right, it'll be fantastic at 2 fury.

I wouldn't expect that, though.

[Bishop84]

Warmachine somehow manages. If the stats are right, it'll be fantastic at 2 fury.

Warmachine doesn't rely on beasts for their Fury generation and damage transfers.

So I'm not sure that placing 2 lightning storms would make Cygnar players jealous at this point. Their colossal can place two POW 12 templates. Being Type: Lightning would only benefit them on Nemo3's feat turn. And being lightning means we can't damage a good chunk of their stuff with it.

Although now that I think about it, if we can place them and do immediate damage that's a fair bit better than simple zone denial.

[Mercykiller]

I'm hoping he has an extra "main gun" much like the Conquest. The model looks like it has three 'gem' points for firing, one on each mega-shoulder and one center mass above the head. Hopefully the lightning storms come from the shoulders and we'll get a big boom from the central mass.

[Bishop84]

Well, if nothing else, placing some lightning storms and knockdown AOE fists is something different that our beasts don't already do. That already is miles ahead of the Judicator for me.

[Legrasse]

Warmachine doesn't rely on beasts for their Fury generation and damage transfers.

So I'm not sure that placing 2 lightning storms would make Cygnar players jealous at this point. Their colossal can place two POW 12 templates. Being Type: Lightning would only benefit them on Nemo3's feat turn. And being lightning means we can't damage a good chunk of their stuff with it.

Although now that I think about it, if we can place them and do immediate damage that's a fair bit better than simple zone denial.

Unless you expected it to be FURY 7, you were going to have to take another beast anyways. We have a four point light that allows us to make 360 sweep attacks. At least wait until you know what it does before beginning the doom spiral.

[ArchonXVI]

Warmachine doesn't rely on beasts for their Fury generation and damage transfers.

True, but Circle has some great low-cost fury generation. If the WoldWrath can take the place of a unit, then the small fury value won't be missed.

[Warcaster Feiss]

I'd be content with Fury 3 for the most part I think. I don't think transferring damage (that IMO should only really happen due to poor placement, most of the time) to a 20pt beast should be on my agenda.

Since I'd likely be bringing an Argus for 360 sweeps anyways, that's a cheap Fury battery and a cheap transfer battery too.

[Charming]

Also mr. Cranky old man can maltreat fury of that sucker. Doesn't help all the other warlocks though

[Bladestorm]

I suspect that 360 sweeps won't happen, as Sweep specifically attacks everything in one field of fire (eg the left or the right), which is different to the front arc. The infernals are currently checking what having a 360 front arc means for a colossal/gargantuan at the moment though, so who knows.

[Mercykiller]

I'm not seeing how the Argus can overrule sweep being confined to one arm arc. 360 vision doesn't cancel the weapons arcs, so it wouldn't affect sweep.

[Bakemono]

I'm rather hoping to see an enhanced Geomancy on the thing, wherein it can cast ANY spell the Warlock can cast regardless of price (including Self versions). Moreover, it can cast any Animus as a Spell like the Warlock as well. That would go a long way toward making that ugly cuss worth going into my arsenal with the Fury-3 and 18-19 Armor it is likely to have.

[KhisanthMagus]

Do keep in mind that Megalith is Fury 4, so I wouldn't count the Woldwrath completely out of the possibility of being Fury 4 as well, as there is at least a precident to a construct being Fury 4, even if he is a character.

[PPS_Will]

Fury 3 on something called the Woldwrath? Now that would be silly...

[Lighten]

Tiny fragments of information... trying to figure out whether to thank Will for any information at all or throw things at him for not giving more