Woldwrath Speculation

[Mercykiller]

As per the rules for both Colossals and Gargantuans, it cannot be stealthed. Ever. Other than that not bad theorymachining

[PG_fildrigar]

Griffon's Animus is Self only. Sorry.

[brokennecron]

Griffon's Animus is Self only. Sorry.

so is ghetorix's but it was a good write up

[Bakemono]

Word of God says it's a 4" AOE.

That'll catch a few things, unless 4" AOEs suddenly became too small as of late.

Pity. I liked the 4" from model better than the AOE. I have found, with the current unit rules, that AOEs do not pay the bills.

[Azuresun]

Woldwatcher - Shield Guard, potentially.

When SG gets fixed, I think it could be quite useful with Colossals & Gargantuans, solely to middle-finger Pistol Wraiths & Gorman.

[PG_LEJKaya]

When SG gets fixed, I think it could be quite useful with Colossals & Gargantuans, solely to middle-finger Pistol Wraiths & Gorman.

I said this for the Celestial Fulcrum... Its a great use for shield guard and should work.

Sadly number of important shots (Black oil, stranglhold, armour piercing etc...) fired at my battle engines: >100
Number of times I remember the two or three shield guards I put within range on purpose: ~5

I hope this number will improve.

[rpavers]

Most of the range shots don't worry me. Black oil is the main thing I'm concerned with, being able to shut down a 19+ model for cost next to nothing is bs. Wtb errata on blind.

Void lock from Hypnos is going to be rough.

[Ruan]

I can tell I posted that with my brain half asleep from working all day... knew I had to be making mistakes somewhere.

[Mercykiller]

Yeah but when 95% rocks, you rock

[PG_cheddercaveman]

Unfortunately the problem with Shield Guard vs Gorman is that the little bastard doesn't need to hit, just get close and hope the deviation is good. Its pretty annoying. I think that blind is ok, what isn't ok is that it doesn't require a hit. I think they just really need to re-word it on his affect that says "if the model is directly hit, then models hit suffer blind" and it would fix a lot of his problems.

[PG_LEJKaya]

Gorman will struggle to miss our colossal!

[rpavers]

It is funny watching Gorman hit himself vs krueger2 storm wall, but seriously where is the minion equiv to that? Just annoying how such small investments for WM are for their payoffs.

[Ruan]

Heh. I just have this image of a Woldwatcher standing right in front of the Woldwrath like a goalie and diving in the way of a ranged attack.

You know though... I really don't understand why people seem to have so much trouble with Gorman. Not sure if it is who I play against, or what, but I always have no trouble killing him before he becomes a threat. Same goes with eEiryss. Usually with a equal trade or better.

[Bladestorm]

So, now that we know the animus, what do we reckon are the odds that it has geomancy, plus a rule that lets it use it 2-3 times and a rule that adds Lightning Storm to it's list of cast-able spells ?

[VOLK]

Random observation:
The Woldwrath may be able to take advantage of the lesser-used part of Cassius' feat.
Punch an infantry model -> all the other members of the unit in the 4" AoE fall down -> they take one point of damage from the feat and die.
Combined with Reach and its base size that gives the Woldwrath some hideously effective troop-clearing potential in melee.

Indeed, I had the same thought as soon as I read about the AOE knockdown. I've mentioned it a number of times, including in this thread I believe.

It is funny watching Gorman hit himself vs krueger2 storm wall, but seriously where is the minion equiv to that? Just annoying how such small investments for WM are for their payoffs.

Likewise eEiryss. Then again, my WM lists would kill for some gobbers.

[Charming]

Shouldnt shadowhorn animus let that guy throw some poor bastard something like 11-12"?


Edit: right, living warbeast!

[VOLK]

pKaya - Stealth from Occultation, which is nothing to sneeze at. Pull other warbeasts behind it with Spirit Door. Cannot Spirit Door it.

No stealth for Woldwrath.

[eliassmith27]

The more I think about this guy and what we know about him, the more I like him. (assuming he has a descent ARM and Life Spiral.) I can't wait to see his complete rules so I can really know what he does and how he plays.

[AmonadRodrigues]

So, now that we know the animus, what do we reckon are the odds that it has geomancy, plus a rule that lets it use it 2-3 times and a rule that adds Lightning Storm to it's list of cast-able spells ?

Is it confirmed the animus is elemental communion? I thoght that was speculation.

[Blaque]

Its animus is Druid's Wrath. It's a new one. Details are on Muse on Minis or Bell of Lost Souls.

And stuff.

[AmonadRodrigues]

Its animus is Druid's Wrath. It's a new one. Details are on Muse on Minis or Bell of Lost Souls.

And stuff.

Wow! This is awesome! Probably worth a thread on its own. Just think about Kromac or pKayas possibilities for spell assassination or completely boosted crevasses or druids knocking down 3 heavies a turn or blackclad reliably hitting with hunters mark or boosted sprays... This is REALLY fantastic!!

[Bakemono]

Wow! This is awesome! Probably worth a thread on its own. Just think about Kromac or pKayas possibilities for spell assassination or completely boosted crevasses or druids knocking down 3 heavies a turn or blackclad reliably hitting with hunters mark or boosted sprays... This is REALLY fantastic!!

I think it does more for Kromac than P-Kaya but both of them have a Feat that lets them effectively double their Fury for casting the one auto-boosted (to hit) Spell.

[Blaque]

I wouldn't personally go too all-in with it. I think the warlock probably already has to of had a spell list where they are spamming at least a couple regularly, or be a warlock I would of taken Druids with anyhow, to get the best out of it (which to me is Cassius, Baldur1, Morvahna, Mohsar, and either Krueger). Kaya1 might be one of those casters, but Kromac to me is not really defined by his Rift, and even if it is nice to cast it, it is not something I think I would sacrifice the synergy he has inherently with living heavies by investing in the Woldwrath.

And stuff.

[AmonadRodrigues]

I wouldn't personally go too all-in with it. I think the warlock probably already has to of had a spell list where they are spamming at least a couple regularly, or be a warlock I would of taken Druids with anyhow, to get the best out of it (which to me is Cassius, Baldur1, Morvahna, Mohsar, and either Krueger). Kaya1 might be one of those casters, but Kromac to me is not really defined by his Rift, and even if it is nice to cast it, it is not something I think I would sacrifice the synergy he has inherently with living heavies by investing in the Woldwrath.

And stuff.

Yeah, of course this has all to be thought of carefully. Its just what came to my mind first and just excamples. I see so many possibilities in this animus and thats what i think is fantastic. Wether its worth it in a Kromac list or not has to be proofen and not at least will also depend on how the full rules of the woldwrath look like. Anyway I'm already sold on our new big stony puppet.

[Legrasse]

I don't think I can find the spare 20pts in a Kromac list for a beast that can't be Warpath-ed or Wild Aggression-ed...

[AmonadRodrigues]

I don't think I can find the spare 20pts in a Kromac list for a beast that can't be Warpath-ed or Wild Aggression-ed...

Why can't it be warpathed?

[Bishop84]

Why can't it be warpathed?

Because it can't advance outside its normal movement.

[ringsnake]

Morvahna - could really be fun. Gatorman Witch Doctor + Regrowth gives it a ever-regenerating Tough screen. Ranged attacks feed into Harvest and possibly blast any upkeep removal away short of a Purification caster. AoE Melee knockdown makes Eruption of Life hit fairly easily on multiple targets. Restoration to buff the ARM a little.

I think that's one for the Infernals. Regrowth only works on living models, so does making them undead with a Witch Doctor dispel Regrowth?

[YabaBaga]

I think that's one for the Infernals. Regrowth only works on living models, so does making them undead with a Witch Doctor dispel Regrowth?

It only cares if they're living when you target them with the spell. As long as you don't Zombify them before you cast the spell on the unit, it should be fine.

[Ruan]

There's a link to the Infernal ruling for that up in the FAQ at the top of this forum, too.

I had a pretty hilarious time doing that too... I ran a unit of Bloodtrackers with Zombify and Regrowth - he killed those girls two times over throughout the entire game, and by the end they were back up to full unit size (sans Nuala). Drove him nuts trying to kill the unit off. He was also having to deal with Zombified, Restoration'd Tharn Ravagers (proxied two Witch Doctors). He never could quite get to the Witch Doctors without going through their respective units due to lack of ranged.

[Stallandor]

Its animus is Druid's Wrath. It's a new one. Details are on Muse on Minis or Bell of Lost Souls.
.

Can those of us not on those forums be enlightened?
EDIT - Right - that locked thread and all... sorry, carry on.

p.s. Stones UA rock hammer now actually rocks.

[Ruan]

Lot of stuff changes around with that... suddenly Crevasse on eBaldur makes sense. Crit knockdown effects suddenly become that much easier. Spell assassination warlocks become potentially even more deadly. Cassius no longer has to constantly boost to hit with his Hellmouth.

The list goes on. Animus like that, it's going to be awhile before we fully wrap our head around the capabilities.

Still want to see the final rules on the model though.

[brokennecron]

I am loving this, the implications it has for cassius spell-slinging is great - he can even just pay the animus cost and it will save him fury

[Snowmelter]

... suddenly Crevasse on eBaldur makes sense...

There was this infernal ruling that the spray of crevasse is not a magic but a ranged attack. So it should not be influenced by the animus.

[AmonadRodrigues]

There was this infernal ruling that the spray of crevasse is not a magic but a ranged attack. So it should not be influenced by the animus.

wow, this is just stupid as hell. Do you have a link?

[Snowmelter]

My mistake. It is not a spell, but a magic attack. So it works.

[AmonadRodrigues]

My mistake. It is not a spell, but a magic attack. So it works.

Good news! Thx for confirming it...

[ChaosE]

My mistake. It is not a spell, but a magic attack. So it works.

hmm... a Ranged attack or a Magic ability attack? That's an important distiction...

[Charming]

Magic attack, as it's part off a spell resolution. Attacks made with magical weapons are magical attacks, not magic attacks.

[ChaosE]

Nice That wording was always confusing.