everblight lists, please help a newbie

[aiden447]

hi everyone, im new here and have gotten into legion cause i think they are cool looking. have had a few games with friends, but im looking for as much help as i can get.

in my group, there are, pretty much all factions and we wanted to start doing lists at 25pts. ( we want to go slow and learn before jumping into any huge games ). we figured this is a good pt value. that being said, i jumped into the deep end and bought a ton of stuff and now dont know what to run because of how much i have, * shakes head in confusion*..

ive come up with some lists and i was hopeing for some help/comments on if theyre good or if i need to change anything, thanks in advance for your help

list 1:abby tier 4
3 shredders
2 forsaken
angel
scythean
max spawning vessel
shepard

list 2:
abby
bolthrower ( i fig knockdown plus blight field? would rock)
angel
2 spell martyrs
shredder
deathstalker
min legionairres
raek
shepard

list 3:
saeryn 1
angel
scythean
2x spell martyrs
shredder
forsaken
raek
deathstalker

saeryn 2
angel
scythean
2x forsaken
3x spell martyrs
2x shredders
gobbers

lists 4
pthags
scythean
min swordsman
2x spell martyrs
2x shredders
anyssa
min raptors

list 5:

elillith
3x spell martyrs
deathstalker
striders + ua
bolt thrower
ravagor


thanks again for all your help in advance, dont know what to run.

also who, would compliment these lists if i went to a tourney, thanks again

[rexim]

I feel that Abby don't really work at 25 pts, 42 pts is her kingdom then she can bring everything she needs as buff targets go.

The first Saeryn list is really good, the only thing i would think about would be to drop the reak for a second DS and a Harrier or drop the DS for a Harrier. It might just be me, but fielding one death stalker is not good they are better in pairs or none at all.

pThag is one of the great casters at 25 pts, but I would never field him without a carnivean. My ideal list at 25 pts with pThag is 2 scytheans one carni and a Shepard.

eLylyth does not need spell martyrs she have 15" range on spells. So my suggestion would be to take another DS and a Shepard instead of them.

[Neutralyze]

What's up with this 42 pt format?

[Obeisance]

What's up with this 42 pt format?

I think it's some weird crap they do in Germany, IIRC.

[Cowboy247]

What's up with this 42 pt format?

Or its a 35 point list with reinforcements?

[rexim]

What do the rest of you think about the lists in question? Anything productive to come with?

I would not bring abby to 25 pts. She needs more pts, for her to have all the stuff she wants with her buffs, that is at least what I think. 42 might be wierd, it is not standard. I just have a 42 pts list for her, when i tried her on 50 she just did not have enough buffs for everyone and it felt like eThagrosh could run the same army better.

[Lachlan the Mad]

I bring Abby at 25pts all the time (mostly because I only recently bought the two models I needed to get it to a 35, but even so). I think she works pretty damn well. Furthermore, Abby can build a t4 at 19 points (although it's rubbish because it involves two Seraphim as the heavies). Here's how I'd do a 25 with Abby;

System: Hordes
Faction: Absylonia - Winds of Change
Casters: 1/1
Points: 25/25
Tiers: 4
Absylonia, Terror of Everblight (+5pts)
* Raek (4pts)
* Shredder (2pts)
* Shredder (2pts)
* Stinger (2pts)
* Angelius (8pts)
* Scythean (8pts)
The Forsaken (2pts)
The Forsaken (2pts)

This is a T4 and you get all the benefits. Playing God goes on the Raek, Carnivore on the Scythean, and Forced Ev on the Angelius. It's not as good as a 35pt list but it works pretty well.

What's up with this 42 pt format?

Forward Kommander includes a 42-point option as "Germany 42 (1 caster, 42 points)". Doesn't make much sense to me either, but it IS the Ultimate Answer, so it can't be bad.

[PG_BloodRath]

before you ever touch saeryn or lylyth2 give thagrosh1 and absylonia a try. dont let any one fool you. absylonia T4 is fantastic at 25 and 35 pts. so is thagrosh1. he can play any point bracket but his feat at 35 and lower is very powerful. i dont htink any of your list are bad but none seem to be what i personally would play. id suggest looking around at some of the other list on the forums. i suggest gearing your list to maximize your feat with those two warlocks becuase thats how they shine in low points.
for abby id suggest something like this
abby Tier 4
angelius
carnivean
x 2 shredders
harrier
stinger

x2 forsaken

for thagrosh1 id suggest
Carnivean
Ravagor
legionnaries max
spawning vessel

both lists are simple and desgned to be played agressivly to take advangae of your feat

[Karnstein]

What's up with this 42 pt format?

42 is a point value used in a German WM/H tournament named "coin of evil", which runs a shameless pun on the number 666. 6 rounds, 6 casters, three 36 (6x6) and three 42 (6x6+6) games. Somehow the 42 point games ended up being copied by other tournament organizers and made it into the fowardkommander. Don't ask me why, my guess would be that 42 points allow you more stuff than 35 but are less daunting if you run a tight time schedule compared to the 50pt used in the US.