Iron Flesh Kayazy

[Azrael305]

My friends and I always ask the question "how do we deal with iron flesh kayazy?" We try and incorporate something into each list that would help.

For general purposes since I am very new to RoS I want to reach out to the experts - how do you prepare for this and what in the army is able to take them down?

I see the following:

Stormfall archer spam
Ravyn + discordia
Rahn and slams (slams in general)
Phoenix combustion
Kae on her own with true sight and phantom hunter (chancy)
Daemon would be nice but I dont think it will ever hit (too bad you can't target a friendly model with it)

[PG_Emberwild]

CMA with halberds or MHSF

[Lord Sessadore]

You've got the gist of it there. A couple more ideas that are a little more out there, but can work:

Ravyn + MHSF (they ignore Iron Flesh, remember). Admittedly you have to get right close to shoot.
Garryth arcing Death Sentence at them before whatever else attacks (remember he ignores spells too)
Daemon boosting has an alright chance. Even better if you can aim (marshal to sentinel officer and use Pronto to advance and still aim)
eEiryss can remove Iron Flesh if she can get within 5" of one.
Hyperion (crit consume gun still triggers when you shoot friendlies , and even without an AOE 5 with POW 9 blast damage will do a number on kayazy)

[Murkhadh]

Eiryss can shoot them from 12 inches away to remove it. This is best done on ravyns feat turn to make sure she hits.

Stormfall aoe's will kill a lot of them

Phoenix combustion is probably the most surefire answer. this is best done with rahn who you can TK the phoenix for extra threat range and you can then chain blast whats left.

cma is not a great answer unless you remove it with Eiryss first, the number of models you will have to combine to get good chances of the roll succeeding means you wont' be killing many of them and will have now exposed all of those models and will probably lose them all the next turn.

[FranzGrenstein]

Eiryss can shoot them from 12 inches away to remove it. This is best done on ravyns feat turn to make sure she hits.

eEyirss can see stealth???

[Lord Sessadore]

eEyirss can see stealth???

SPD 7 + 5" max range vs. stealth.

[Axelle]

i was thinking of Discordia with Shatterstorm or stray AOEs from Phoenix or Stormfall Archers

[FranzGrenstein]

SPD 7 + 5" max range vs. stealth.

Oh wait I keep missing those shots, see curses thread.

That and it hangs a 3 pt model with it's butt flapping in the wind.

[JustNCREDIBLE]

MHSF ignores Iron Flesh due to AA so they they go to town on it w/ either CMA (probably the better route) or shooting (getting into range w/ stealth of course). Carpet bombing w/ Stormfalls or AFG or now the Hyperion will help out immensely. Shatterstorm could work but only if you shoot at them.

[Murkhadh]

Oh wait I keep missing those shots, see curses thread.

That and it hangs a 3 pt model with it's butt flapping in the wind.

I did say "this is best done on ravyns feat turn" for this exact reason.

[joelker41]

Arcane secrets + Rift on Kaelyssa or Chain Blast from Rahn. Works wonders.

[Murkhadh]

MHSF ignores Iron Flesh due to AA so they they go to town on it w/ either CMA (probably the better route) or shooting (getting into range w/ stealth of course). Carpet bombing w/ Stormfalls or AFG or now the Hyperion will help out immensely. Shatterstorm could work but only if you shoot at them.

No actually its not better to CMA in this case
Kayazay get + 2 defense in melee.

so advancing into 5 inches and shooting leaves you needing 8's to hit if they have the under boss which they almost always do.

advancing into melee and cma's leaves you needing 8's and your making half the number of attacks. The best way to kill them with the mhsf is to advance to within 5 and shoot, preferably on ravyns feat turn.

[Lord Sessadore]

Yeah, melee isn't a great answer to Kayazy in general, unless you can knock them down or reduce DEF first. Which Ret can't do en-masse, so ranged is your best bet.

[FranzGrenstein]

I did say "this is best done on ravyns feat turn" for this exact reason.

That was under Ravyn's feat.

[Murkhadh]

That was under Ravyn's feat.

I did mention in my post that the phoenix was the best of the options and the reason why is no dice rolls are required.

And okay, bad dice rolling will foil a lot of things you need to do in this game, all you can do is play the averages, rolling an 8 on 3 dice is below average.

[under]

Skarath's spray does dice+1 dmg, but it needs 12's to hit, it can boost one more time then a 'jack with maximum focus allocated to it can resulting in each individual attack having a 37,5% chance to land. It isn't Friendly Faction though.

Not great but an option none the less. For persepective the boosted Daemon's single attack has the same chance and if it can aim and boost it is 62,5%.

[Rogue Sun]

Arcane secrets + Rift on Kaelyssa or Chain Blast from Rahn. Works wonders.

THIS.

Every time I see Kayazy I simply put one focus to an arc node, run it up and send 2 Rifts flying at the unit. Doesn't even need to hit since the blast damage is POW 7, and with it being a 4" AOE it usually catches a fair bit. Plus there is that added benefit of leaving two big spots of rough terrain which Kayazy don't ignore.

Oh yeah, and Hyperion is a great option too.

[bakaryu]

When I play Garryth I love seeing Kayazy on the other side of the table. MHSF with Mirage will deal with the Kayazy all day long, it is impossible for them to out threat the MHSF (if you factor in advance and stealth) and if they run to engage then Mirage puts you outside of their melee range with a nice fat juicy aiming bonus leaving you only needing 6's to hit.

[joelker41]

THIS.

Every time I see Kayazy I simply put one focus to an arc node, run it up and send 2 Rifts flying at the unit. Doesn't even need to hit since the blast damage is POW 7, and with it being a 4" AOE it usually catches a fair bit. Plus there is that added benefit of leaving two big spots of rough terrain which Kayazy don't ignore.

Oh yeah, and Hyperion is a great option too.

My favorite is to walk a banshee into the middle of them to shut off orders, then if they walk up to punch him at dice -7 I Rift my own Banshee and kill a ton of them.

If they walk away just keep following them around LOL.

[NEoJoe]

When I play Garryth I love seeing Kayazy on the other side of the table. MHSF with Mirage will deal with the Kayazy all day long, it is impossible for them to out threat the MHSF (if you factor in advance and stealth) and if they run to engage then Mirage puts you outside of their melee range with a nice fat juicy aiming bonus leaving you only needing 6's to hit.

I absolutely love this trick. Super anti-tarpit.

[PG_Sobek]

CMA with halberds or MHSF

Shh.... People will start flaming you if you start suggesting that MHSF can be useful in melee. =P

[Murkhadh]

Shh.... People will start flaming you if you start suggesting that MHSF can be useful in melee. =P

Nah I save that for you alone Sobek I wouldn't want you to feel not special

[Nagus]

These kind of units are the reason why I always take a unit of sentinels and attach a Phoenix to them, in one of my two SR lists. Usually it's a Kaell or Ossy list. It's the perfect answer to so many problems of the RoS.

Actually I like the idea of MHSF with Mirage... but somehow I didn't play Gerry for almost a year. Maybe it's worth a try. Actually I never played MHSF with him anyway

[Pinegulf]

Covering fire from Manticore. Drop one on top of your caster and you're safe from them.

[Nagus]

But if he is playing the attrition game, they are a real pain. Maybe your caster is protected, but if these guys hit your troops, you won't have any answer with the Manticore. With a dual Manticore you can slow them down, but without the right tools you won't get rid of them.

[ErBaZ]

i have played against kazya dozen of times with rahn and vyros. Most used trick was to carpet bomb them with SF. And according to my experience, they will destroy any (inc destors) non jack enemy RoS can ditch to them. I also had some succes having 2x thanes multifiring them. As for phoenix, its around 50/50 chance to combust, as opponent sees it miles away... Unless you wanna torch your own models (in my case i usually torch some halberdies that soak up the kazya charge...

But yeah, mostly i just carpet bomb them.

[Nagus]

With a Phoenix walking 12-14 inch? He can see that miles away, bit he can't do very much against it. Under Kaell he can't charge him the important turn and can't jam him ether. Or he can jam him and get the combustion right in the face.

Destors against Def 17? good luck with that.

[Nagus]

double post..