Vyros 35 to 50pts escalation

[Axelle]

I actually got the idea from Bakaryu (can't seem to find the original thread) and made some modifications for my collection. So far these two lists are going well, though I can see that there will be hard counters against it.

Vyros 35 - A
Vyros
- Phoenix
Max Dawnguard Sentinels
- Sentinel UA
- Daemon
Stormfall Archers
pEiryss
Mage Hunter Assassin
Arcanist

Vyros 35 - B
Vyros
- Phoenix
Min Dawnguard Sentinels
- Sentinel UA
- Banshee
Arcanist
Narn
Stormfall Archers
Mage Hunter Assassin

Was wondering if it would be a viable choice to add MHSF + UA when I escalate this to 50pts. Most of the time when i run MHSF on higher pointages, my opponents usually react accordingly and bring models with aoe's or anti-stealth tech, w/c makes it a bane for me. Any advice on what to add when escalating to 50. I guess I'm just looking for a setup that can take on all comers fairly fine.

edit: i have MHSF + UA, Invictors + UA, HSBM for units and a Thane, Griffon and Chimera in my collection.

[Lord Sessadore]

I like MHSF with Vyros at 50, myself. Gives you a solid option to kill lights from range and/or remove support.

Personally I think I'd either add the MHSF or Invictors to get some more ranged punch, and fill the rest with either solos or dropping a few solos to add another jack or two. (I like 3 heavies with Vyros at 50. )

Interesting marshaling the Banshee to the sentinels in list B. I don't think I would, personally, mostly because the Banshee is one of our heavy hitters in melee and you lose a lot of that potential when marshaling. I'm curious how it has worked out, though - Pronto could definitely have some synergy with the cannon and wailing.

[Axelle]

I actually use the Banshee to shoot first and then Pronto it to engage a few ranged models or have wailing in range to some models. It kinda gave me a pseudo Bushwack to work with. But yeah, he felt like a 10pt Momentum/Wailing model w/ ARM19. The hard hitting part is covered by the sentinels though I have them on Min unit on list B

[Axelle]

update:

I've extended List A to something like this

Dawnlord Vyros (*6pts)
* Griffon (4pts)
* Phoenix (10pts)
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts)
Dawnguard Invictors (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
* Dawnguard Invictor Officer & Standard (2pts)
Dawnguard Sentinels (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
* Daemon (9pts)
* Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard (2pts)
Stormfall Archers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (5pts)
Arcanist (1pts)
House Shyeel Magister (2pts)
House Shyeel Magister (2pts)
Mage Hunter Assassin (2pts)

I kinda had trouble getting my sentinels and griffon into position (bad judgement on my case, i guess).. Since the Griffon is tied to Vyros, who i played a bit to back, it kinda never got to extend him for slam vectors (I'm used to sending him around with a Scyir tagging along).

And despite having IR on the sentinels on a screen, its kinda hard if they get charged at first. Sure ARM19 would discourage blasty and most faint pot shots, but without added mobility they kinda fell short. Makes me want to consider fielding Lanyssa again for it.

For the next weekend, I plan on running List B on 50pts

Dawnlord Vyros (*6pts)
* Banshee (10pts)
* Phoenix (10pts)
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts)
Dawnguard Sentinels (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
* Griffon (4pts)
* Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard (2pts)
House Shyeel Battle Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Stormfall Archers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (5pts)
Arcanist (1pts)
Arcanist (1pts)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (3pts)
House Shyeel Magister (2pts)
Mage Hunter Assassin (2pts)

figuring that the griffon could use some better movement shenanigans to help w/ the slam vectors. I might swap a magister for Lanyssa for this list if i feel that I need to.