So I played Legendairy Vlad Today

[Octavius_Maximus]

So yes, i played Vlad 3.

Vlad 3
Drago

Max Demo Corps
Max Riflemen

Joe

Manhunter
Manhunter

Gun Carriage

Against a friends eKreoss list

eKreoss
Vanquisher
Repenter

Max Bastions
Max Errants with UA
Min Choir
Exemplars

Vassal


So Let me tell you about how Vlad feels.

He feels great to play. Dash makes his entire army just *feel* quick.

After Deploying on the edge and then running first turn, my Riflemen basically reached the halfway point on a flank on a hill, able to pick a dominating position and hold it off against slower enemies. Joe+Hand of fate meant that in a turn i took out the majority of the Exemplar unit (quite tough when their armour keeps getting higher). Riflemen continue to be one of the most amazingly useful units.

The Gun Carriage was on the other side of the table all game, making the Bastions slooooow. Because Exemplars armour is just too damn tough to Crack.

Demo Corps were actually very lacklustre, the extra speed not helping them reach combat. They ended the game minus 2 members with no kills to their name. Iron Fangs would be better.

Manhunters died, unfortunately, i could never get a good straggler against the exemplar Brick.

Drago was alright, herding him away with his massive speed and threat.

I ended the game going for a very oblique assassination run as i lost a chunk of Riflemen. Charging a choir member and Sidestepping my way to Kreoss. Unfortunately the dice failed me (i spent 2 on Rush when i didnt need it, i could have used Hand of fate to get my averages up) and i resigned the field to him.

Main thought:

I HATE SACROSANCT!!!

Holy crap that spell is annoying on Exemplars.

"They are all bunched up! I could charge with Vlad and mulch them...wait no...Charge with drago for thresher? no...Demo Corps? Nope."

So reactionary threats could hurt me.

Vlad is awesome, he feels awesome and makes for some hilariously fast infantry. He is much fun!

[quindraco]

So yes, i played Vlad 3.

Vlad 3
Drago

Max Demo Corps
Max Riflemen

Joe

Manhunter
Manhunter

Gun Carriage

Against a friends eKreoss list

eKreoss
Vanquisher
Repenter

Max Bastions
Max Errants with UA
Min Choir
Exemplars

Vassal


So Let me tell you about how Vlad feels.

He feels great to play. Dash makes his entire army just *feel* quick.

After Deploying on the edge and then running first turn, my Riflemen basically reached the halfway point on a flank on a hill, able to pick a dominating position and hold it off against slower enemies. Joe+Hand of fate meant that in a turn i took out the majority of the Exemplar unit (quite tough when their armour keeps getting higher). Riflemen continue to be one of the most amazingly useful units.

The Gun Carriage was on the other side of the table all game, making the Bastions slooooow. Because Exemplars armour is just too damn tough to Crack.

Demo Corps were actually very lacklustre, the extra speed not helping them reach combat. They ended the game minus 2 members with no kills to their name. Iron Fangs would be better.

Manhunters died, unfortunately, i could never get a good straggler against the exemplar Brick.

Drago was alright, herding him away with his massive speed and threat.

I ended the game going for a very oblique assassination run as i lost a chunk of Riflemen. Charging a choir member and Sidestepping my way to Kreoss. Unfortunately the dice failed me (i spent 2 on Rush when i didnt need it, i could have used Hand of fate to get my averages up) and i resigned the field to him.

Main thought:

I HATE SACROSANCT!!!

Holy crap that spell is annoying on Exemplars.

"They are all bunched up! I could charge with Vlad and mulch them...wait no...Charge with drago for thresher? no...Demo Corps? Nope."

So reactionary threats could hurt me.

Vlad is awesome, he feels awesome and makes for some hilariously fast infantry. He is much fun!

Explain to me why charging with Drago was a bad idea? Also, in case you needed MORE incentive, MoW Drakhun, baby. :-P But between Drago and the Carriage and the WGRC, you did bring some counters to Sacrosanct.

[Gaston]

IIRC Sancrosect only works on non-warcaster/warlock warrior models. Very, very sad.

[x3tsniper]

Just pointing out on the demo corps, they will always be slower than your other models. If you want them to get there at the same time as the rest of your army, you need more MoW than just that.

Also, it is my opinion that demo corps really shouldn't be taken without Shock Troopers.

[Octavius_Maximus]

Explain to me why charging with Drago was a bad idea? Also, in case you needed MORE incentive, MoW Drakhun, baby. :-P But between Drago and the Carriage and the WGRC, you did bring some counters to Sacrosanct.

Hmmm Charging with Drago? I don't remember where i said with that.

The Drakkhun i was using as the proxy for Vlad (i dont like Proxying much, so i got the closest model i could).

Exemplar armour is heavy enough that the Gun carriage couldnt breach it. I found that using it to hold back the Bastions was great.

Rifle Corps were great, though.

IIRC Sancrosect only works on non-warcaster/warlock warrior models. Very, very sad.

NOOOOOOOO!!!!


If i knew that i would have feated and charged Vlad Straight into the Exemplars, He could probably kill them all, if not that then most of them, and escape. That would have broken his back rather handily.

Just pointing out on the demo corps, they will always be slower than your other models. If you want them to get there at the same time as the rest of your army, you need more MoW than just that.

Also, it is my opinion that demo corps really shouldn't be taken without Shock Troopers.

I disagree, but actually If i would take any man o wars with LVlad, it would be Bombadiers. SPD5 and Hand of fate would work well for him i think.

But after that game i think the list i would like to take next is:

Lvlad
Drago

Widowmakers
Max Pikemen with Black Dragon UA
Min Uhlans

Widowmaker Marksman

Gun Carriage

[OMM_Lukav]

Hmmm Charging with Drago? I don't remember where i said with that.

The Drakkhun i was using as the proxy for Vlad (i dont like Proxying much, so i got the closest model i could).

That is why when I proxy on Vassal I use another faction's model, so there is no doubt that the model shown is not what it looks like and that still frees up the Drakhun for use.

[quindraco]

Hmmm Charging with Drago? I don't remember where i said with that.

"They are all bunched up! I could charge with Vlad and mulch them...wait no...Charge with drago for thresher? no...Demo Corps? Nope."

Sacrosanct won't knock down a warjack.

[ScottEBJJ]

That is why when I proxy on Vassal I use another faction's model, so there is no doubt that the model shown is not what it looks like and that still frees up the Drakhun for use.

I taped pVlad to a Drakhun mount to proxy him on Monday

[Gaston]

I taped pVlad to a Drakhun mount to proxy him on Monday

Masking tape or duct tape?

[profparm]

VHS taped him to the horse.

[ShockwaveIIC]

Also, while Sacrosanct would of still knocked them down. Backswing is simultaneous, ie you would of been knocked down after completing both attacks (Which would of been against the same ARM value as well)

[quindraco]

Also, while Sacrosanct would of still knocked them down. Backswing is simultaneous, ie you would of been knocked down after completing both attacks (Which would of been against the same ARM value as well)

s/of/have (all instances)

Other than that, Shockwave is correct. :-P

[Khador247]

I taped pVlad to a Drakhun mount to proxy him on Monday

How did you do with him? Obviously it is very early on but what are your thoughts on him? I haven't tried him yet.

[ScottEBJJ]

How did you do with him? Obviously it is very early on but what are your thoughts on him? I haven't tried him yet.

I was able to pretty much table the pSevy list top of 2. Vlad got 5 kills and half a Reckoner and Sprinted to safety at ARM 22. The Nyss and Markov got the BE, and he sprinted behind Sevy. The Uhlans took down the Reckoner and moved on past. Fenris got all of Rhoven and Co. and hit the BoV for 8. He then sprinted to re-engage the Enlived BoV. The GBs got eEyriss. He spent a,ll of his focus to get Fenris down and the non-choir'd BoV got to 3Vlad and did 2 damage. Markov and the GBs got Sevy. The Uhlans were ready to pile in as well.

So in that one game he could not have preformed any better.

[Kurb]

I was able to pretty much table the pSevy list top of 2. Vlad got 5 kills and half a Reckoner and Sprinted to safety at ARM 22. The Nyss and Markov got the BE, and he sprinted behind Sevy. The Uhlans took down the Reckoner and moved on past. Fenris got all of Rhoven and Co. and hit the BoV for 8. He then sprinted to re-engage the Enlived BoV. The GBs got eEyriss. He spent a,ll of his focus to get Fenris down and the non-choir'd BoV got to 3Vlad and did 2 damage. Markov and the GBs got Sevy. The Uhlans were ready to pile in as well.

So in that one game he could not have preformed any better.

Sexy stuff right there.

[John of Arc]

Sweet. Sounds like sprint did a whole lot for you there. Fenris rocked with extra movement, too, as expected. I hope some more battle reports get pushed out soon.

[jdeckert]

I played Vlad3 for the first time today. Predictably, I made a ton of mistakes but had a fun game and think he's going to be really good.

I ran:
Vlad
Spriggan
War Dog
Full MOW Demo Corps
Full WG Rifle Corps
Kovnik Joe
Full Uhlans
Markov
Fenris
Great Bears

Against:
Nemo3
Stormwall
Charger
Minuteman
Stormstrider
Full Precursors w/ UA
3x storm smiths
Reinholdt

Revelation scenario. I ran a Vlad limousine with Fenris and Uhlans on the left flank with GB behind, WGRC deployed in the center (so that they could go after the stormsmiths and precursors wherever they got deployed), the Spriggan backing them up, and the MOW DC on the right flank. I went first and advanced a bit, putting up windwall, hand of fate on the WGRC and deploying the spriggan way to far to get infernal machine on it (first mistake). He ran his precursors forward, minuteman toward the demo corps, and the strider up on my left and stormwall up on my right. He didn't have the range to make any shots bottom of 1.

I upkept HOF and the WGRC got boosted rolls from Joe. They took out two storm smiths and 4 precursor knights, so that wasn't too shabby. My cav brick moved up, and the MOW ran around a forest. Precursors mini-feated and two charged Fenris, dismounting him. two others came up short of the lead uhlan, and the remainder just tried to screen Nemo. He feated, and one storm strider shot did a number on the spriggan, taking out its lance. Its other shot popped some RC, as did Nemo's gun. The minuteman punched a DC for no damage, but the electro-leap from lightning shroud killed another. Stormwall shot the spriggan and did decent damage. The last stormcaller popped Fenris, killing him.

I charged the Great Bears at the stormcaller, since it would get him out of the way and get them in a threatening position. The remaining RC and Vlad cleared out the precursors right in front. 3 Uhlans charged the storm strider and left it with 1 box. Another charged the stormwall and missed it's charge attack. MOW charged the minuteman, missed a bunch but did some damage. On his turn the charger killed two of the GB. The stormstrider cleared out 3 Uhlans with help from the last precursor. Stormwall put more fire into the spriggan, crippling it, and did killed a MOW. Two more RC went down, leaving 1. Nemo walked around behind the stormstrider and shot and killed the last Great Bear.

Here's where I goofed, because I think I could have gotten to Nemo. I feated and cast Dash with Vlad. I charged Finch instead of the strider, since I thought I'd get pushed back after hitting him. Since you don't get pushed if you kill it, though, I would have been fine. I could have: charged and killed the strider, sidestepped into the charger, hit the charger, side stepped into Nemo. I only would have been able to hit Nemo once due to electrify, but I could have hit him with a razor wind, too. Might have been enough. Instead, I killed Finch, killed the strider, side stepped toward Nemo each time, and cast two razor winds at him. After I missed with the first one, I should have just wind walled and sprinted into his face. Really either one would have been fine, but I inexplicably sprinted past him and out of melee. Which left me vulnerable to charger and stormwall shooting. Had I played it better, I probably could have finished Nemo fairly easily the next turn since he wouldn't have been able to shoot me and didn't have threatening enough stuff to get into melee. The stormwall was too far out and blocked in my Markov.

Anyway, he plays more or less like I expected. He's got some tricks, hand of fate is great as always, and wind wall on a 3" base can give some matchups a really hard time. I'm not really sold on the Uhlans with him, since other than HOF he doesn't give them all that much. Sprint and sidestep aren't fantastic on that unit. Rifle corps are nice, but widowmakers might be able to do the same spot-removal of certain targets without robbing Vlad of infantry to kill himself. Still, it's hard to argue with their ability to clear lanes and take out important pieces. I think for 35 I'd run something pretty similar, except drop Markov and the Uhlans. I'm trying to get the demo corps to work, and while they haven't been bad so far, there might be a better option.

I think he's going to be both good and fun, looking forward to getting more games in with him!